are you all referring to the TER system? If so, the cut off this feb08 imu intake is 91, and that is considered low, last year it was 94..........and if you don't expect 99 and above, don't bother applying to melbourne (academic now, the last undergraduate batch going in next week, and no intake 09 and 10, next batch graduate entry 2011), and unsw only considers those with 97 and above.......

uwa and monash needs isat (or umat for on shore students), and if you don't make the cut off there, you don't even get to the next stage, ie the interview.......

like i said, many will eventually return to msia, to one of the private med schools, particularly imu.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 16 2008, 08:36 PM

um.... where else no need ISAT to go into med/ den in aus?

if you are on shore doing year 12, i think you will need to do umat like the aussies......

adelaide.....no isat but pqa, similar test......few places (16)

unsw.....min ter97 to consider, 50 places, but about 30 allocated to their own foundation students.....

utas.......personal statement.......few places only.......(20)

newcastle.........do not take international students directly......but there are some places available through taylor's placement centre.........

remember also you are competing with the rest of the world........including china, india, korea, taiwan, thailand, spore, phillipines, indonesia, south africa, etc...........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Feb 17 2008, 01:33 PM

for all those people fancies about grey's anatomy dreams or house...
life is not easy being a doctor...
stay away unless you're ready to take the path...
lots of sacrifice to made...
lots of time to spend...
and lots to learn..

being doctors aint cool. if you're doing it so people can look up to you... don't be stupid.


being doctor requires compassion. lifetime dedication, selflessness, sacrifice. your time, your sleeping time, your weekend, your life, your passion, and most probably your bloody relationship.

This post has been edited by melfariza: Feb 17 2008, 01:57 PM

well said........and may i add, to avoid the last.......a VERY understanding spouse......preferably not another doctor!!

ah thanks limeuu, so UNSW and utas no need to take any test? um, yeah i know i'm competing with internationals, btw i'm on foundation not yr 12. ^^

I am pretty sure that you need to do UMAT if you want to study at UNSW, and you are currently doing UWA foundation. The only one that you dont need to do test is for Uni of Tasmania and IMU... i am very sure about this.

Onshore students have to take tests as follow.
ISAT for
1. Monash Uni
2. Uni of Western Sydney ( with IELTS 7)
3. Uni of WA ( gonna change this year)
PQA for
1. Uni of Adelaide
UMAT(the most difficult uni)
1. UNSW
2. Bond Uni

haha, dun b so pessimistic la, wen u enjoy ur work, it doesn't matter how long ur workin hour is.

n people really look up 2 u wat, n sure u'll feel gud right.

if you are onshore, unsw requires you to do the umat.......irrespective of citizen status........minimum cut off for consideration is 97, and minimum cutoff for shortlisting for interview is 98........which basically means, if you are not on target at higher than 98, don't waste you money applying.......there is a fee........

for international students, UMAT is not needed to apply for UNSW; but ISAT is needed for UTAS..its the new rule..

UNSW just decreased their quota to 40 i think..so its harder to get in..they start interviewing candidates from september onwards..up till january..CV, interview and TER are all very important in getting an early offer from UNSW..

UTAS..they only take in 20 international students..they give out conditional offers around october..

hope this helps!

if you are on-shore, you do.........you applied from taylors, so you did not need to.........

hmm..my malaysian friends from other colleges dont need to as well..

btw, need advice here..planning to get a clinical examination book..which is better between these 2: epstein or talley/oconnors?

hi guys...second sem from imu...
life is tough....a lot to remember..

the term 'on shore' means physically present on oz soil..........

if you do your pre-u from outside oz continent, then you don't need to lah........and taylors msia, sunway, inti etc are 'off shore'...........

oo..i thought which shore..>.<

most of my coursemates are using talley/o'connor... (me included).. it's a really handy book..
older lectureres might prefer Hutchkinsons Clinical Methods.. a much older book (but i've seen an updated version in the market)

no clue about epstein though..



nah, with the commercialization of our healthcare system, respect & adulation for doctors won't be the same as it was back then..
nowadays patients come in, expect docs to cure their symptoms, but refuse further management..
their stance: "i pay for you to get rid of my symptom; symptoms gone, thanks & bye!"

biochem is killing meeeeeee. ahhhhhhhhhh~

O..the old cucrriculum recommends talley, the new curriculum recommends epstein..i went to kamal..talley is out of stock..the guy recommmended me epstein..but since talley is out of stock, it should be a better book right..

Enjoy IMU while it lasts... it's good fun. Much more relaxing then clinicals where you're literally left to die on your own.

Heard that the curiculum has changed, and you guys get final exams for every semester instead of at Sem 1, 3, and 5.

Talley's are pretty much the recommended book esp in Australian unis since it's written by an Aussie dude. Good reading, but don't expect to memorise every thing coz it's so damn a lot. MacCleod's another book recommended in IMU, at least when I was still there, but the old version is quite sucky... the new one seems good though as it has a lot of improvements.

I still say physical examinations are best learned by the bedside, where there are actual doctors/consultants showing you the exact method to doing something. Reading books are such a bore and you can't expect to learn actions by word descriptions anyway.

Gtg now to prepare PBL for erectile dysfunction...