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calvin_kenni
post Feb 16 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 15 2017, 05:12 PM)
OK. Let's compared. I choose this diamond: 0.468 ct D VS1 A CUT ABOVEĀ® Hearts and Arrows Diamond.
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/r...id=myengringexp
USD 1, 635

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Pakej tiga
0.46 ct, F, Vvs2,
excellent for cut, Polish, symmetry
Fluorescence faint
Depth 62 Table 57 Crown 35.5 Pav 40.6
Hearts and arrows excellent
GIA 3215578414
HCA light return excellent, fire excellent, scintillation excellent, spread very good, score 1.4
Enchanted diamond cut score 97.2%
White gold 18k 4 or 6 prong setting
RM7940
Exchange rate I use 4.52 and add 6% GST. So it is RM 7833.61 for the loose diamond.

I add on standard ring setting from Memory Jewellery - RM 750 (Please check with them for latest price)

Final ring price with setting approximately RM 8583.61. I round up to RM 8,600.

Price difference: RM 660

I add on a custom setting from Memory Jewellery - RM 1,000 (Please check with them for latest price)

Final ring price with setting approximately RM 8833.61. I round up to RM 8,840.

Price difference: RM 900.

Based on this, WhiteFlash's colour is better by 2 grades but clarity loses by 1 grade. Do note that colour is always more important that clarity because it is more obvious to the naked eye. At VS1 clarity, WhiteFlash is 99.99% guaranteed eye-clean, and since this is an ACA, I will make it 100%. tongue.gif. Tailored Jewel's VVS2 is of course guaranteed eye-clean. Fluorescence faint is a slight disappointment though. Although it probably won't bring any negative impact on the appearance of the diamond, but usually diamond with fluorescence is slightly cheaper than a comparable diamond with no fluorescence. Now, if you request for the images such as ASET, Idealscope, and Hearts & Arrows image from Tailored Jewel and if they look decent enough, Tailored Jewel's package is probably a good buy. That's my conclusion so far.  :thumbsup:
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Wow. Good deal there from white flash.
How long it take for them to deliver the stone to you?
And the extra charges incurred upon arrival?
You paid FedEx cash on the spot kah.
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post Feb 16 2017, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Feb 16 2017, 11:32 AM)
Wow. Good deal there from white flash.
How long it take for them to deliver the stone to you?
And the extra charges incurred upon arrival?
You paid FedEx cash on the spot kah.
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You should be able to get the stone within 2 weeks...at least that is what I experienced when I purchased from James Allen (using FedEx as well)

there will be GST charges incurred to you after delivery done

my case, I thought they forgot to charge me...mana tau...after 3 weeks...invoice came HAHAHA!
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post Feb 16 2017, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Feb 16 2017, 11:32 AM)
Wow. Good deal there from white flash.
How long it take for them to deliver the stone to you?
And the extra charges incurred upon arrival?
You paid FedEx cash on the spot kah.
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Hi Calvin,

I have excluded some slight charges on the shipment + insurance GST because that is quite minor. Usually the insurance will be 1% of the total diamond price, which is USD 16.35, which should be around RM 73.90. This insurance is paid by WhiteFlash, so you just need to pay its GST, which is around RM 4.34. You will also have to pay for the GST for the shipment cost, I can't remember how much, but the GST may cost around RM 20.00? That's why you don't see I include those misc charges for simplicity sake. The major part of the GST will fall on the diamond itself, which should cost you around RM 443.41.

I ordered Thu, 6/2/2016, I received Mon, 6/6/2016. The next shipment I experienced was shipped out on Tue, 6/7/2016 and received on Fri, 6/10/2016. That shipment was for the ring box that I requested but was not tagged along with the first parcel. Anyway, considering the distance, the shipment is pretty fast - within a week's time.

Fedex will help you clear custom and you will have to pay back to Fedex staff when they deliver. So yes, I paid them on the spot. Remember to prepare small change because they don't carry any change. Cash terms only. smile.gif

There is any vendor called Brian Gavin Diamonds, a name which you will bump into quite often if you google to learn more about diamonds. They are selling super ideals as well.

To get a rough idea on how much a super ideal costs in Malaysia, just go visit HABIB and check out their Hearts on Fire series/Diamond & Platinum's Estrella series/SK's True Love series/Tomei, GoldHeart ,My Diamond's Le Lumiere series. wink.gif And I believe not all of the diamonds in each respective series can be called a "super ideal" even the brand say so.

This post has been edited by kambingkoh: Feb 16 2017, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:28 AM)
haha..chill bro..will check with him biggrin.gif
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Yea, thanks man! Appreciate it.
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post Feb 16 2017, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(drbone @ Feb 16 2017, 11:29 AM)
Appreciate your time guys.
I would like the rings to be close to any of these in the pictures. Any tips?[attachmentid=8491458][attachmentid=8491457][attachmentid=8491455]
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You can customize any of these by iDo Jewellery. Just google it.
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post Feb 16 2017, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(drbone @ Feb 16 2017, 11:29 AM)
Appreciate your time guys.
I would like the rings to be close to any of these in the pictures. Any tips?[attachmentid=8491458][attachmentid=8491457][attachmentid=8491455]
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Mine is exactly the 4-prong with heart-shaped claw. Got it from JannPaul.
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post Feb 16 2017, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:39 AM)
You should be able to get the stone within 2 weeks...at least that is what I experienced when I purchased from James Allen (using FedEx as well)

there will be GST charges incurred to you after delivery done

my case, I thought they forgot to charge me...mana tau...after 3 weeks...invoice came HAHAHA!
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I see.. Means maybe got option to pay later also
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post Feb 16 2017, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 16 2017, 11:56 AM)
Hi Calvin,

I have excluded some slight charges on the shipment + insurance GST because that is quite minor. Usually the insurance will be 1% of the total diamond price, which is USD 16.35, which should be around RM 73.90. This insurance is paid by WhiteFlash, so you just need to pay its GST, which is around RM 4.34. You will also have to pay for the GST for the shipment cost, I can't remember how much, but the GST may cost around RM 20.00? That's why you don't see I include those misc charges for simplicity sake. The major part of the GST will fall on the diamond itself, which should cost you around RM 443.41.

I ordered Thu, 6/2/2016, I received Mon, 6/6/2016. The next shipment I experienced was shipped out on Tue, 6/7/2016 and received on Fri, 6/10/2016. That shipment was for the ring box that I requested but was not tagged along with the first parcel. Anyway, considering the distance, the shipment is pretty fast - within a week's time.

Fedex will help you clear custom and you will have to pay back to Fedex staff when they deliver. So yes, I paid them on the spot. Remember to prepare small change because they don't carry any change. Cash terms only.Ā  smile.gif

There is any vendor called Brian Gavin Diamonds, a name which you will bump into quite often if you google to learn more about diamonds. They are selling super ideals as well.

To get a rough idea on how much a super ideal costs in Malaysia, just go visit HABIB and check out their Hearts on Fire series/Diamond & Platinum's Estrella series/SK's True Love series/Tomei, GoldHeart ,My Diamond's Le Lumiere series.Ā  wink.gif And I believe not all of the diamonds in each respective series can be called a "super ideal" even the brand say so.
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I called up tailored jewel to check things out. It seems that they do not provide h&a images of anything less than 1ct. Ask me to go drop by their store to find out instead.
Good marketing strategy there to make sure it's really serious buyer.

However knowing of the existence of white flash, where every single thing is available, is rather more appealing to me.

After all not everyone has the luxury in terms of time to check it out personally.

Appreciate the info by the taikor2 here.

Thanks

This post has been edited by calvin_kenni: Feb 16 2017, 08:36 PM
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post Feb 16 2017, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Feb 16 2017, 08:31 PM)
I see.. Means maybe got option to pay later also
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no..it is not an option..i not sure why they decided to charge me way after that..maybe they rushing
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post Feb 16 2017, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Feb 16 2017, 08:31 PM)
I see.. Means maybe got option to pay later also
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How much did you pay for it? Do you have the specs?

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post Feb 16 2017, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_kenni @ Feb 16 2017, 08:34 PM)
I called up tailored jewel to check things out. It seems that they do not provide h&a images of anything less than 1ct. Ask me to go drop by their store to find out instead.
Good marketing strategy there to make sure it's really serious buyer.

However knowing of the existence of white flash, where every single thing is available, is rather more appealing to me.

After all not everyone has the luxury in terms of time to check it out personally.

Appreciate the info by the taikor2 here.

Thanks
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No problem. But remember that buying a loose stone will take you more time because you need to go find a jeweller to craft your ring setting. I got a few on my list that I know that will do custom ring setting:
1. iDo Jewellery (Bukit Jalil)
2. Memory Jewellery (Pusat Perdagangan D6)
3. Jewellerist (Publika)
4. Suen (Bangsar, formally known as Carat Club)
5. Eumayco (Damansara Perdana)
6. Degem (any branch I guess)
7. Tomei (any branch I guess)
8. Poh Kong (any branch I guess)

Personally, I would prefer non-retail chain jewellers as the service is more personalized.

It is good to see a rise in non-mainstream jewellers in Malaysia they start to move things more towards online. But sadly speaking, as far as Malaysia is concerned, there is more catching up to play. If not mistaken, WhiteFlash started their online business back in 2006 and probably include all the images that time, if that is true, then our local jewellers are probably 10 years behind. I believe that local jewellers do not stock-up a lot of diamonds in their inventory due to capital. They will most likely check with their wholesale supplier and get back to you on your options. The good thing is, they can run this business online and save cost on renting and staffing, and therefore, they are able to provide diamonds at a cheaper price. My opinion is, some of the diamond prices are fair, but if you want all the images, then you probably have to wait for them to catch-up, which I believe one day, some of them may succeed.

If they do stock-up, then they should be able to provide the necessary images - it is really not that expensive to get a basic professional kit: https://ideal-scope.com/product/professiona...al-light-loupe/. Take a look at this explanation on how they capture the photos: http://www.whiteflash.com/whiteflash-diamond-imaging. Of course, I believe WhiteFlash uses more sophisticated equipment and not the basic professional kit, but you get the gist of it.

If you prefer offline purchase and want all those diamond performance explanation service in a brick-and-mortar store, go to Singapore's Jann Paul if you are around there. smile.gif
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post Feb 16 2017, 11:31 PM

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QUOTE(drbone @ Feb 16 2017, 10:21 PM)
How much did you pay for it? Do you have the specs?
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SG VAT should be 7%? blink.gif
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post Feb 18 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Feb 16 2017, 08:48 PM)
no..it is not an option..i not sure why they decided to charge me way after that..maybe they rushing
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7% of diamond price?
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post Feb 18 2017, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 18 2017, 11:05 AM)
7% of diamond price?
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yea, around there

convert back to MYR around 360 bye.gif
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post Feb 18 2017, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Feb 18 2017, 11:10 AM)
yea, around there

convert back to MYR around 360  bye.gif
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that's still not too bad, at least the tax didn't cost thousands tongue.gif
and most importantly u get what u wanted
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 16 2017, 11:30 PM)
No problem. But remember that buying a loose stone will take you more time because you need to go find a jeweller to craft your ring setting. I got a few on my list that I know that will do custom ring setting:
1. iDo Jewellery (Bukit Jalil)
2. Memory Jewellery (Pusat Perdagangan D6)
3. Jewellerist (Publika)
4. Suen (Bangsar, formally known as Carat Club)
5. Eumayco (Damansara Perdana)
6. Degem (any branch I guess)
7. Tomei (any branch I guess)
8. Poh Kong (any branch I guess)

Personally, I would prefer non-retail chain jewellers as the service is more personalized.

It is good to see a rise in non-mainstream jewellers in Malaysia they start to move things more towards online. But sadly speaking, as far as Malaysia is concerned, there is more catching up to play. If not mistaken, WhiteFlash started their online business back in 2006 and probably include all the images that time, if that is true, then our local jewellers are probably 10 years behind. I believe that local jewellers do not stock-up a lot of diamonds in their inventory due to capital. They will most likely check with their wholesale supplier and get back to you on your options. The good thing is, they can run this business online and save cost on renting and staffing, and therefore, they are able to provide diamonds at a cheaper price. My opinion is, some of the diamond prices are fair, but if you want all the images, then you probably have to wait for them to catch-up, which I believe one day, some of them may succeed.

If they do stock-up, then they should be able to provide the necessary images - it is really not that expensive to get a basic professional kit: https://ideal-scope.com/product/professiona...al-light-loupe/. Take a look at this explanation on how they capture the photos: http://www.whiteflash.com/whiteflash-diamond-imaging. Of course, I believe WhiteFlash uses more sophisticated equipment and not the basic professional kit, but you get the gist of it.

If you prefer offline purchase and want all those diamond performance explanation service in a brick-and-mortar store, go to Singapore's Jann Paul if you are around there. smile.gif
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may i ask, which of these listed jewellers offer pallidium inside their 18k white gold?
i would say prices for 18k white gold pallidium will be between 1500-2000 for a 4 prong solitaire ring at the size of 0.43-0.45ct? am i correct?
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post Feb 18 2017, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(star.king @ Feb 18 2017, 09:02 PM)
may i ask, which of these listed jewellers offer pallidium inside their 18k white gold?
i would say prices for 18k white gold pallidium will be between 1500-2000 for a 4 prong solitaire ring at the size of 0.43-0.45ct? am i correct?
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I know iDo Jewellery and Suen at Bangsar got. There is also another one called MC Square Studio at Tmn Tun that would probably cost around RM 2100 for your size. 1500 is abit hard to get, probably may start from 1600. Anyway, I will recommend iDo Jewellery first. Try to find out the size of your spouse first if can. If you do it in one shot, the workmanship will be better.

As for others, I am not sure. You may need to check. There is another one that jacky91 also introduced here. You may check it out also.

Personally, I would go for Memory Jewellery first and see what they offer. Reason being their price seem pretty decent. I don't think palladium is worth an additional RM 850 - RM 1250. The only reason I will get palladium is if my partner is allergic to nickel.

Hope this helps.
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post Feb 18 2017, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Feb 18 2017, 09:40 PM)
I know iDo Jewellery and Suen at Bangsar got. There is also another one called MC Square Studio at Tmn Tun that would probably cost around RM 2100 for your size. 1500 is abit hard to get, probably may start from 1600. Anyway, I will recommend iDo Jewellery first. Try to find out the size of your spouse first if can. If you do it in one shot, the workmanship will be better.

As for others, I am not sure. You may need to check. There is another one thatĀ  jacky91 also introduced here. You may check it out also.

Personally, I would go for Memory Jewellery first and see what they offer. Reason being their price seem pretty decent. I don't think palladium is worth an additional RM 850 - RM 1250. The only reason I will get palladium is if my partner is allergic to nickel.

Hope this helps.
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not sure if my partner does has allergy with nickel. Got once her neck was all red after using a "silver" (fake) necklace.

anyway can sifu give any advice on the following settings? any difference to use with a 0.40ct or a 0.46ct diamond? any special notes to take care of? thanks

my partner did mentioned that she don't like solitaire setting, rather bland to her cry.gif

here are the designs that i think my partner would like

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not sure which one suits her, my best bet will go to the one that offers 4 pronged, most petite and slimmest one as she has very small fingers rclxub.gif

This post has been edited by star.king: Feb 18 2017, 10:53 PM
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post Feb 19 2017, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(star.king @ Feb 18 2017, 10:20 PM)
not sure if my partner does has allergy with nickel. Got once her neck was all red after using a "silver" (fake) necklace.

anyway can sifu give any advice on the following settings? any difference to use with a 0.40ct or a 0.46ct diamond? any special notes to take care of? thanks

my partner did mentioned that she don't like solitaire setting, rather bland to her  cry.gif

here are the designs that i think my partner would like

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


not sure which one suits her, my best bet will go to the one that offers 4 pronged, most petite and slimmest one as she has very small fingers  rclxub.gif
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Your design 1 is what I ordered from local maker biggrin.gif would be getting the ring within this 2 days icon_rolleyes.gif will upload the picture here once i got it hehe
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post Feb 19 2017, 12:28 AM

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QUOTE(jacky91 @ Feb 19 2017, 12:18 AM)
Your design 1 is what I ordered from local maker biggrin.gif would be getting the ring within this 2 days icon_rolleyes.gif will upload the picture here once i got it hehe
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