what's your source? The er6i can be powered by an Ipod without an amp.

yup if anyone likes a more analytical detailed sound then the ER4/iM716 is the way to go esp. in IEMs. IMO the iM716 is NOT inferior to the ER4, more a case of a slightly different presentation. ER4s has a slight extended upper range but is leaner overall while iM716 holds the upper hand in having fuller bottom and mids IMO. but they both share far more similarities than differences. FWIW, i canceled my ER4 order becoz im totally happy with my mod iM716.

Yuin PK series is another thing but based on all that i've read, they fall more into the "musical" category rather than "analytical". musical generally means warm, fuller and more balanced in range.

i believe the mylars 2 and 3 will be similiar to the YUINs and fall into the musical category. based on my personal impressions, the M2 is much warmer (bassier) unless amped synergistically while the M3 is quite nice even unamped. FWIW even with my newly acquired audio preferences, the M3 via my 1st gen shuffle makes good music and is now my ultra portable rig    .

another issue to be aware of is the question of comfort. true IEMs like ER4/iM716 can be b**** to fit and have been known to cause abit of discomfit for some folks. M2/M3 fit and SQ depends largely on the correct size tips for one's ears. Yuins PKs are just normal earbuds and thus should be supremely comfortable with the downside of non existing sound isolation. bottomline - theres no perfection. u pays your money u's takes your risks!    

zen micro. should be as good or just a little bit better than ipod, right?

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Added on August 12, 2007, 6:59 pm

isolation is important, no amp is important.

I also want good seperation. I guess most of these have good seperation, right?

I read somewhere in this forum that it's hard to find tips for im716... is it?

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Added on August 12, 2007, 7:06 pmif i were to choose between m1 and m2,

which one have better seperation?
which one is more analytical?

bro...y not u come to sunway....test it urself...i think this is the best way, from my point of view, m3 will have better seperation if unamped.  

Where at sunway?

maybe next saturday, or sunday.

you still got ready stock next week?

actually noise is not caused by the earphone itself.
it's the player emitted noise, while the earphone is sensitive enough to pick it up.
which usually low impedance earphone has this kind of trouble for being over sensitive.
if you pair the earphone with some DAP which is good enough,  (example , Zen Micro, Zune) it won't hiss as the player doesn't produce hiss.

anyway,to slove it, as walabies said, we can add up the impedance (resistor) of the specific earphone, by adding some value (usually 15-100ohm) of resistor in series configuration to the earphone signal cable. or make a adapter like picture below so that you doesn't have to operate the earphone itself which operating it will void the warrenty. and adapter is better because you can use it for any other earphone too.
* note :  do make sure to hand match the resistor to exact value (as close as possible you can get),  because even as small as 0.1 ohm will have chances to make the earphone sound imbalance on volume for both side.

PcWork, can get me one of those? 
What you need is a pair Etymotics 

I've tried the mylar3, honestly, I prefer how the mylar2 sounded. But if what you want is analytic ( aka boring sound to me ) the m3 might serve your purpose well. But then...you might want the im716? The disadvantage is that they needed to be amp

If you are looking forward to use a powerful amp, get mylarone xb, good amping capabilities.
The frequency response is 20~20kmhz. But then I need to confirm again.
Again, IMHO mylar2 is better for classical.
You have another options here dude.
Get the yuins.
PK1, 2, 3 tailored to your budget. (Suggest a PK2 )

isolation is important, no amp is important.

I'll just give a quickie on XB

Good:
- Plenty of bass.

Not-so good:
- hissing. Prolly it's just more sensitive.
- Not nearly bright compared to the others, especially Sonys

I'd like to try M3 someday.

based on your above criteria, IMO the mylar M3 will be your cuppa tea! fitted with d correct tips, even a trip to the biggest Pasar Malam will not deter u from hearing your music. unamped the M3 is much better with most ori DAPs. YMMV of'coz.

Thanks. I think this will be okay for my first iem.

This forum is poisonous.

Any advice on how to care or mod for the m3? I heard somewher that it's build quality is not the best and need better care than some other brand but it has improved upon m1.

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Added on August 13, 2007, 5:25 pmI don't want m2 as it's too bassy?

shall has no problem after i settle with Gmod cable. =)

Thanks. I think this will be okay for my first iem.

This forum is poisonous.

Any advice on how to care or mod for the m3? I heard somewher that it's build quality is not the best and need better care than some other brand but it has improved upon m1.

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Added on August 13, 2007, 5:25 pmI don't want m2 as it's too bassy?

I'll be waiting. Shall I start the countdown? 
No special care is needed for the M3s. I treat the M3s like any other IEMs. And oh, the M3s have traveled almost half the globe and they still Rock!! 
BTW, err.. the PK1s are not bad either   

I would sell my MS2i for a PK1 Not a joke.
But for a noisy environment the PK1 really doesnt works
I already start counting for my Gmod.

i got an ipod shuffle. so can't adjust the equalizer there. if get mylar2 can boost the bass sound ar? or listen with mylar 3 better?

i don't have amps. btw my ears can't listen to high freq sound that well. music with 9kHz above my ears not so sensitive to it already.

so better if i get m2?

Thanks. I think this will be okay for my first iem.

This forum is poisonous.

Any advice on how to care or mod for the m3? I heard somewher that it's build quality is not the best and need better care than some other brand but it has improved upon m1.

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Added on August 13, 2007, 5:25 pmI don't want m2 as it's too bassy?

i got an ipod shuffle. so can't adjust the equalizer there. if get mylar2 can boost the bass sound ar? or listen with mylar 3 better?