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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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post Jun 27 2022, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jun 27 2022, 02:38 PM)
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If top 1% where got high.

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post Jun 27 2022, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jun 27 2022, 02:38 PM)
Google ah
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I googled, but your numbers seem extremely high, hence, I am asking for your source.

For Americans, the top 1% salary seems to be around $300k. Taking $600k (household) divided by average household number = 2.6 --> 2 (rounding down to account for children)

Where as for Singapore, they do not have an official number, but we can make some assumptions, like top 14% of households will be $240k.

Take top 1% (240k x 2.5, following US trend), we can assume that S$600k per household (1%). Average household in Singapore is 3 (rounding down equally with US, gets 2.3).

That will bring us to average of S$260k to crack 1%

Feel free to discuss
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post Jun 27 2022, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Jennypenny @ Jun 27 2022, 02:56 PM)
I googled, but your numbers seem extremely high, hence, I am asking for your source.

For Americans, the top 1% salary seems to be around $300k. Taking $600k (household) divided by average household number = 2.6 --> 2 (rounding down to account for children)

Where as for Singapore, they do not have an official number, but we can make some assumptions, like top 14% of households will be $240k.

Take top 1% (240k x 2.5, following US trend), we can assume that S$600k per household (1%). Average household in Singapore is 3 (rounding down equally with US, gets 2.3).

That will bring us to average of S$260k to crack 1%

Feel free to discuss
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And ur sos ?

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post Jun 28 2022, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jun 27 2022, 05:03 PM)
And ur sos ?
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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/...%203.4%20people.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/625305/...03.15%20persons.

https://blog.seedly.sg/average-singaporean-...d-income-stand/

https://smartasset.com/data-studies/what-it...1-by-state-2022
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post Jun 28 2022, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(Jennypenny @ Jun 28 2022, 06:58 AM)
I see you're differentiating between household and individual. Yes when you have a household, individual incomes within the household can be less but still collectively be in the top 1%, but I was only interested in individual top 1% and I didn't try converting it implicitly to household income or vice versa, because it's no longer an apple to apple comparison and doesn't tell us anything

For Singapore there is this website called world inequality database with 1% data.
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post Jun 29 2022, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jun 28 2022, 09:32 PM)
I see you're differentiating between household and individual. Yes when you have a household, individual incomes within the household can be less but still collectively be in the top 1%, but I was only interested in individual top 1% and I didn't try converting it implicitly to household income or vice versa, because it's no longer an apple to apple comparison and doesn't tell us anything

For Singapore there is this website called world inequality database with 1% data.
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Yes, you are interested in the top 1% for an individual, hence I calculated that number for you.

You were using the wrong number for an individual.
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post Jun 29 2022, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(Jennypenny @ Jun 29 2022, 10:28 AM)
Yes, you are interested in the top 1% for an individual, hence I calculated that number for you.

You were using the wrong number for an individual.
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You are probably right that 600k is counted as household income and the actual individual income needed is less, but it's not a straight measure, conversion or extrapolation.

Imho the whole concept of household income is a sham. Half the people I know are single income households and the other half are double income from husband and wife. I've never in my life seen a household supported by 2.6 people, or a household supported by 5 people. So what, do they all come home and put all their money into the same tabung... ?

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post Jun 29 2022, 08:43 PM

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post Jul 2 2022, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(Jennypenny @ Jun 27 2022, 02:56 PM)
I googled, but your numbers seem extremely high, hence, I am asking for your source.

For Americans, the top 1% salary seems to be around $300k. Taking $600k (household) divided by average household number = 2.6 --> 2 (rounding down to account for children)

Where as for Singapore, they do not have an official number, but we can make some assumptions, like top 14% of households will be $240k.

Take top 1% (240k x 2.5, following US trend), we can assume that S$600k per household (1%). Average household in Singapore is 3 (rounding down equally with US, gets 2.3).

That will bring us to average of S$260k to crack 1%

Feel free to discuss
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Here is a more recent statement from the Singaporean MOF which like the USA has the only agency in the government that has individual income data based on reported taxable income.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/budg...12-of-taxpayers

It would seem that the annual income I had pegged for the top 1% in Singapore is not too high at all. The announcement to raise taxes impacting the top 1.2% of individual tax payers in Singapore, starts from people earning over $500,000 a year.

If top 1.2% is $500,000 then top 1% is higher. This is by individual.

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post Jul 4 2022, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jul 2 2022, 09:15 PM)
Here is a more recent statement from the Singaporean MOF which like the USA has the only agency in the government that has individual income data based on reported taxable income.

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/budg...12-of-taxpayers

It would seem that the annual income I had pegged for the top 1% in Singapore is not too high at all. The announcement to raise taxes impacting the top 1.2% of individual tax payers in Singapore, starts from people earning over $500,000 a year.

If top 1.2% is $500,000 then top 1% is higher. This is by individual.

Feel free to discuss.
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Ah yes, this is indeed a good data point.

Singapore however has disproportionate amount of foreigners at their 1% as they are the regional hub for SEA, and Asia.

I read in FT before that 30%++ of the top income earners are foreigners, but I cannot find the source.

So, thanks for the data point.


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post Jul 4 2022, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(Jennypenny @ Jul 4 2022, 09:40 AM)
Ah yes, this is indeed a good data point.

Singapore however has disproportionate amount of foreigners at their 1% as they are the regional hub for SEA, and Asia.

I read in FT before that 30%++ of the top income earners are foreigners, but I cannot find the source.

So, thanks for the data point.
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That is completely unrelated, and also foreigners are taxed a flat rate.
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post Jul 4 2022, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jul 4 2022, 10:11 AM)
That is completely unrelated, and also foreigners are taxed a flat rate.
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Fair point then

you are right
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post Jul 4 2022, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(party @ Jun 27 2022, 02:08 PM)
Wait. Wait till masuk underground only buy but it buy burial plot. LEL
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after 10 years..i burial space for my parents also bought chor. i wonder those chanting for crash crash bought their home mei. best time to buy imo.. but i follow icemanfx invest in stock.. KNN now money stucked.. sell now rugi berpuluh ribu.. should have just stick to property. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jul 4 2022, 01:57 PM)
after 10 years..i burial space for my parents also bought chor. i wonder those chanting for crash crash bought their home mei. best time to buy imo.. but i follow icemanfx invest in stock.. KNN now money stucked.. sell now rugi berpuluh ribu.. should have just stick to property.  tongue.gif
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I didn't advise anyone to buy meme stocks, don't blame others for your own greediness. in time of rising loan interest rate and liquidity crunch, buying poorperly may feel like dying from pneumonia.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 4 2022, 03:07 PM
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post Jul 4 2022, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jul 4 2022, 01:57 PM)
after 10 years..i burial space for my parents also bought chor. i wonder those chanting for crash crash bought their home mei. best time to buy imo.. but i follow icemanfx invest in stock.. KNN now money stucked.. sell now rugi berpuluh ribu.. should have just stick to property.  tongue.gif
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At tis pace, maybe u buy for ur grandkid also they still waiting crash.

Aiya later he said he no advise u buy stock. Keep cash under pillow only
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QUOTE(party @ Jul 4 2022, 03:35 PM)
At tis pace, maybe u buy for ur grandkid also they still waiting crash.

Aiya later he said he no advise u buy stock. Keep cash under pillow only
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For reasons why many are trapped on poorperly, glove stock, crypto, etc 14th floor.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Jul 4 2022, 03:42 PM
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post Jul 4 2022, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(party @ Jul 4 2022, 03:35 PM)
At tis pace, maybe u buy for ur grandkid also they still waiting crash.

Aiya later he said he no advise u buy stock. Keep cash under pillow only
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he literally just did that! hahahaha right after you post.

Anyway high time for him to realize when economy is bad regardless stock/property or whatever kind of investment it will not be looking good.

icemanfx my TNB stock > 6 figure in RED la now. i'm not buying meme stocks mostly blue chip. i'm not going to sell when it's paper lost same goes to the 3 property i have.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 4 2022, 03:41 PM)
For reasons why many are trapped on poorperly, glove stock, crypto, etc 14th floor.
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I'm stucked in topglove as well bought @RM3.6 if not mistalen.. 5,000 unit.. damn that's going to take a very long time for it to appreciate.
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QUOTE(kidmad @ Jul 4 2022, 03:55 PM)
he literally just did that! hahahaha right after you post.

Anyway high time for him to realize when economy is bad regardless stock/property or whatever kind of investment it will not be looking good.

icemanfx my TNB stock > 6 figure in RED la now. i'm not buying meme stocks mostly blue chip. i'm not going to sell when it's paper lost same goes to the 3 property i have.
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You should aware one needs to shift portfolio from time to time

QUOTE(kidmad @ Jul 4 2022, 03:56 PM)
I'm stucked in topglove as well bought @RM3.6 if not mistalen.. 5,000 unit.. damn that's going to take a very long time for it to appreciate.
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One should sell when novices like da ma, da shu, students are more expert and smarter than the professional.
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post Jul 5 2022, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(gooroojee @ Jul 4 2022, 10:11 AM)
That is completely unrelated, and also foreigners are taxed a flat rate.
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Oh ya, foreigners are taxed at local rates if they are residents. So, that 1.2% does include a lot them.

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