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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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TSicemanfx
post Dec 21 2018, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 21 2018, 04:18 AM)

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QUOTE(e-lite @ Dec 21 2018, 10:18 AM)
What the poster meant is the defaulter lost his house, and still have to service his loan of RM2,500 per month until the shortfall amount + interest is completed. Means if your loan was RM1mil, your lelong house sold for RM500k, you still have to payback RM500k if you don't want to be bankrupt. The RM2,500 per month is for the RM500k.

In short, he lost his house and still have to repay something he doesn't have.
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post Dec 21 2018, 01:15 PM

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Is it necessary to buy house at early stage of life?
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Not really, but when you are young you have time on your side.
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post Dec 21 2018, 04:46 PM

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I have noticed that for the past year or so, many newly VP houses (mostly less than 1 year) already entered into lelong market. Is this normal under a growing economic cycle?

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post Dec 21 2018, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(damonjun11 @ Dec 21 2018, 04:46 PM)
I have noticed that for the past year or so, many newly VP houses (mostly less than 1 year) already entered into lelong market. Is this normal under a growing economic cycle?
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normal under a growing economic cycle? why?

it's normal for a bursting bubble i guess? laugh.gif
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post Dec 21 2018, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 21 2018, 03:49 PM)
normal under a growing economic cycle? why?

it's normal for a bursting bubble i guess?  laugh.gif
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Under a textbook case, lelong only happen when owner failed to pay its installment. Caused by economic slow down, lost of job etc etc.

And under this kind of scenario, it would not normally happen to a newly vp unit. Since technically we are still experiencing economic growth, job market still intact, Low unemployment, it is considered abnormal for newly vp unit to go under hammer? Just curious.
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post Dec 22 2018, 01:14 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 22 2018, 12:44 AM)
D-29-08, I-City (Parisien Tower)
Reserve price 🔥🔥RM500,000🔥🔥
725 sqft (duplex unit), no car park
Full furnish unit with french inspire ID / theme
Freehold
Auction: 28-Dec-2018 (Fri)

Interesting thing to note here. Owner born in year 1996. No joint name.
When sign S&P time, age only 20. Able to loan a 500k property. Impressive.

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Wonder how many of this subprime has yet to unearth.

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post Dec 22 2018, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 20 2018, 11:15 PM)
Cyberjaya is a limited freehold place. Meaning that it is only freehold by name. But name transfer the property at Cyberjaya still need to request consent from the authority. Same like leasehold property.

So this will depend on the local authority for that area. Whether a bumi unit can sell to non bumi or not or need to get written approval / consent beforehand from them.
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Interested in meaning of limited freehold. Asked my developer, they said no such thing?
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post Dec 22 2018, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Dec 22 2018, 04:26 PM)
Interested in meaning of limited freehold. Asked my developer, they said no such thing?
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Developer of course got interest in selling you the property. Place to check is the authority land office.

All cyberjaya POS although is freehold property come wuth this clause: There Is a Restriction-In-Interest i.e. “Tanah yang diberi milik ini tidak boleh dipindah milik, dipajak atau digadai
melainkan dengan kebenaran Pihak Berkuasa Negeri”.

For info this clause is the same for all leasehold property. Elsewhere for freehold property such as in KL or most other area in Klang Valley, no such restriction.

Hence, the term "limited freehold" is used for property in Cyberjaya.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 22 2018, 04:51 PM)
Developer of course got interest in selling you the property. Place to check is the authority land office.

All cyberjaya POS although is freehold property come wuth this clause: There Is a Restriction-In-Interest i.e. “Tanah yang diberi milik ini tidak boleh dipindah milik, dipajak atau digadai
melainkan dengan kebenaran Pihak Berkuasa Negeri”.

For info this clause is the same for all leasehold property. Elsewhere for freehold property such as in KL or most other area in Klang Valley, no such restriction.

Hence, the term "limited freehold" is used for property in Cyberjaya.
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Hi where can I read about this
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post Dec 23 2018, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(damonjun11 @ Dec 21 2018, 04:46 PM)
I have noticed that for the past year or so, many newly VP houses (mostly less than 1 year) already entered into lelong market. Is this normal under a growing economic cycle?
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Higher number of auctions coming from projects offering big rebate / high cash back. No idea in the first place how the bank can value the project so highly priced. But in reality, the market today, not able to accept such pricing yet.

Taking for example, mirage by the lake cyberjaya. When launching in 2013, able to loan up to 900k. Big cashout. Today want to sell at 600k also no buyer. This cause high number of lelong units all transacting at only 400k.

Got ppl state before 1st year after VP will flush out all wannabe investors that buy just to flip. But this is not the case now. As further down the road, more lelong units coming up. Due to many more owners no longer able to hold.
Example M City and The Elements, already more than 2 years completion. The number of auction units from there at record rate now. Never ending. All sizes available from studio to big size.

So conclusion, beware of buying overpriced / inflated price / future priced undercon project. Such as already factor in future Bandar Malaysia, HSR, MRT station into the pricing. It will never end up well. And true enough coz those 3 big booster is not gonna happen at Sg Besi / Taman Desa as of today.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 23 2018, 12:26 PM)
Higher number of auctions coming from projects offering big rebate / high cash back. No idea in the first place how the bank can value the project so highly priced. But in reality, the market today, not able to accept such pricing yet.

Taking for example, mirage by the lake cyberjaya. When launching in 2013, able to loan up to 900k. Big cashout. Today want to sell at 600k also no buyer. This cause high number of lelong units all transacting at only 400k.

Got ppl state before 1st year after VP will flush out all wannabe investors that buy just to flip. But this is not the case now. As further down the road, more lelong units coming up. Due to many more owners no longer able to hold.
Example M City and The Elements, already more than 2 years completion. The number of auction units from there at record rate now. Never ending.  All sizes available from studio to big size.

So conclusion, beware of buying overpriced / inflated price / future priced undercon project. Such as already factor in future Bandar Malaysia, HSR, MRT station into the pricing. It will never end up well. And true enough coz those 3 big booster is not gonna happen at Sg Besi / Taman Desa as of today.
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Until recently, developer could price it's unit at his whim and fancy, and accepted by bank.

Some bank give over stretched flippers second chance by restructuring the loan. Hence, auction happen 2 years after vped.

During bull run be it property, btc, gold or oil, any reason is a reason for price rise. Those couldn't tell wheats from chaffs would suffer.

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Dec 23 2018, 04:46 PM)
Until recently, developer could price it's unit at his whim and fancy, and accepted by bank.

Some bank give over stretched flippers second chance by restructuring the loan. Hence, auction happen 2 years after vped.

During bull run be it property, btc, gold or oil, any reason is a reason for price rise. Those couldn't tell wheats from chaffs would suffer.
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In a way I feel guilty.

But if it is not through me, than they would do it with others.
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ Dec 22 2018, 04:26 PM)
Interested in meaning of limited freehold. Asked my developer, they said no such thing?
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Will a sales person bad mouth their own product? Seriously if u hear all property gurus only able to say one thing. It always goes up. If not buy now, rugi. If u don't buy property, u are losing out, sht like that.

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post Dec 23 2018, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 23 2018, 12:26 PM)
Higher number of auctions coming from projects offering big rebate / high cash back. No idea in the first place how the bank can value the project so highly priced. But in reality, the market today, not able to accept such pricing yet.

Taking for example, mirage by the lake cyberjaya. When launching in 2013, able to loan up to 900k. Big cashout. Today want to sell at 600k also no buyer. This cause high number of lelong units all transacting at only 400k.

Got ppl state before 1st year after VP will flush out all wannabe investors that buy just to flip. But this is not the case now. As further down the road, more lelong units coming up. Due to many more owners no longer able to hold.
Example M City and The Elements, already more than 2 years completion. The number of auction units from there at record rate now. Never ending.  All sizes available from studio to big size.

So conclusion, beware of buying overpriced / inflated price / future priced undercon project. Such as already factor in future Bandar Malaysia, HSR, MRT station into the pricing. It will never end up well. And true enough coz those 3 big booster is not gonna happen at Sg Besi / Taman Desa as of today.
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The logic is simple
How many Malaysian household income above RM5k today?

RM700k is like RM3.5k installment a month
Very illogical to purchase this type of property for flipping purpose
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post Dec 23 2018, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Dec 23 2018, 04:50 PM)
In a way I feel guilty.

But if it is not through me, than they would do it with others.
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You were only a facilitator that gives these over stretched investors a second chance; Nothing to and shouldn't feel guilty. It is those re agents, gurus, uuu/bbb that tricked them to buy should be guilty.

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QUOTE(Daylight2018 @ Dec 23 2018, 04:57 PM)
The logic is simple
How many Malaysian household income above RM5k today?

RM700k is like RM3.5k installment a month
Very illogical to purchase this type of property for flipping purpose
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Many were blinded by greed, hope for a easy, quick and big cocr.
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post Dec 24 2018, 11:57 AM

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The chairman of a leading Chinese state bank on Sunday warned Chinese investors not to buy property now because “there’s no money to be made” due to high prices and alarming vacancy rates.

Tian Guoli, the chairman of China Construction Bank, which provides mortgage loans to millions of Chinese households, said that the room for further property price rises was limited and it was unwise to buy at current rates, according to the portal Sina.com.

“There’s no money to be made if you buy a flat nowadays. If you insist on buying a home, aren’t you trapped at the high price level?” Tian told a forum organised by Peking University’s Guanghua school of management.

https://m.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/ar...ng-property-now
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post Dec 25 2018, 06:10 PM

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PETALING JAYA: Malaysia is entering 2019 with unsold completed residential units rising to 30,115 units as at Sept 30, 2018, an increase of 48.35% from the 20,304 units a year ago.

According to the Valuation and Property Services Department’s (JPPH) latest figures released on Saturday, the total value was RM19.54bil, a 56.44% rise from RM12.49bil a year ago. Should serviced apartments and small offices home offices (SoHos) be included, the overhang value rose to 40,916 units, valued at RM27.38bil.

https://www.thestar.com.my/business/busines...igher-overhang/

Until overhang is reduced substantially, price is either stagnant or on downtrend.
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post Dec 26 2018, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 20 2018, 11:15 PM)
Cyberjaya is a limited freehold place. Meaning that it is only freehold by name. But name transfer the property at Cyberjaya still need to request consent from the authority. Same like leasehold property.

So this will depend on the local authority for that area. Whether a bumi unit can sell to non bumi or not or need to get written approval / consent beforehand from them.
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For non bumis guess they r not affected?
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post Dec 27 2018, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 26 2018, 10:14 AM)
Another case study to share.

Boulevard Service Apartment @ Jalan Kuching.
Owner bought developer units (meaning after project completed then only buy from developer). No idea how big is the rebate or cash back gain here.
Sign agreement on June 2018.

Less than 6 months down the road, this unit already enter lelong market.

S&P price for unit 21-10 is at RM724,300.
Refer: http://www.summerfield.com.my/wp-content/u...-05-05-2017.pdf

Lelong price now is at 486k.
Refer: http://auctions.com.my/auctiondetails.aspx?ID=106701
Assuming owner took 90% loan, he is standing to lose out more than 150k in less than 6 months time only. And provided got bidder at 486k. High possibility nil bidder at this pricing.
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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Dec 26 2018, 10:46 PM)
Here is yet another case study to share.
1 year ago, owner bought this OUG Parklane unit via subsale at 500k. No idea this unit come ID renovated fully furnish or this is mark up to max bank valuation price.

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Today this unit in the auction market at 500k (first auction) starting since Oct 18.
Now at 405k (third auction): http://auctions.com.my/auctiondetails.aspx?ID=106700

Price will certainly drop to 3xxK before attracting any bidders.
Owner stand to lose out 150+k in just 1 year.
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Property price is among if not the least transparent in investment assets. Transacted snp price could be highly inflated.

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