Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
105 Pages « < 69 70 71 72 73 > » Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

> Military Thread V23

views
     
SUSKLboy92
post Feb 24 2017, 11:32 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
189 posts

Joined: Aug 2015
From: Cherasboy
QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 10:07 AM)
copy which design ?
*
QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 10:31 AM)
no current in service naval vessel has the same design as the one China showcased. heck, no one holds the patent for trimaran vessel.
*
Basically extended USS Independence with no mission bay, leaving more room for missiles

user posted image

This post has been edited by KLboy92: Feb 24 2017, 11:35 AM
TechSuper
post Feb 24 2017, 11:44 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
5 posts

Joined: Jun 2015


QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 11:32 AM)
Basically extended USS Independence with no mission bay, leaving more room for missiles

user posted image
*
from outside bole sama. any naval architect worth their money can design a ship, be it monohull, cat or trimaran. any shipyard with enough expertise can build them. any ship can appear the same externally.
shipbuilding isn't like aircraft manufacturing anyway...
ayanami_tard
post Feb 24 2017, 11:45 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
40 posts

Joined: Sep 2009
From: under the moonlight
QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 24 2017, 11:57 AM)
RSN LMV will have much better capability than our RMN LMS .... even better than our Kedah class. our LMS more like large gun boot.
unless we have money get Gowind 1000 version ....
my view RSN LMV have 80%++ same design with Gowind corvette design philosophy
*
look at price la
SUSKLboy92
post Feb 24 2017, 12:16 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
189 posts

Joined: Aug 2015
From: Cherasboy
QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 11:44 AM)
from outside bole sama. any naval architect worth their money can design a ship, be it monohull, cat or trimaran. any shipyard with enough expertise can build them. any ship can appear the same externally.
shipbuilding isn't like aircraft manufacturing anyway...
*
Not that aircraft manufacturing is very easy either.

But you know I know everybody know PRC SOP... copy first improve later laugh.gif
TechSuper
post Feb 24 2017, 12:31 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
5 posts

Joined: Jun 2015


QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 12:16 PM)
Not that aircraft manufacturing is very easy either.

But you know I know everybody know PRC SOP... copy first improve later laugh.gif
*
deswai i say, any shipyard worth their salt can build trimaran cos building ships isn't as difficult as aircraft manufacturing. their yards launched and delivered literally thousands of ships of every kind every year. out of these, hundreds of them are naval ships. so, xde masalah for them to build trimarans of their own.
of cos la they'll improve on what works for them.
if only our yards have even 1/4 of their capability....
then again, for every ship their yards launched, their yard received some $$ whilst ours mana ada dapat that kind of incentive.
Fat & Fluffy
post Feb 24 2017, 12:58 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
397 posts

Joined: Jan 2016
From: Hong Kong



QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 12:02 PM)
how does RMN's LMV compare? looks to me that the RSN's LMV is indigenous design and manufactured.  thumbup.gif
*
idunnolol icon_question.gif

QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 12:04 PM)
all these camo BDU looks like of Singapore Arm Forces ones
*
memang singkie one icon_rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 12:38 PM)
you will be very suprise at the rate that the chinese navy deploy their military vessels, just look at the 052D and 054A alone, simply fantastically fast in deployment!

so much so that the navy can not cope with it and some of these vessels are given to coast guard service

*
new one kambingz

user posted image
azriel
post Feb 24 2017, 01:00 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
user posted image

user posted image

user posted image

http://defencetechnologyreview.realviewdigital.com/#folio=1
Fat & Fluffy
post Feb 24 2017, 01:20 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
397 posts

Joined: Jan 2016
From: Hong Kong



Kim Jong Nam probe: Chemical weapon VX nerve agent used, Malaysia police say

user posted image

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysian police said on Friday (Feb 24) a preliminary report showed the murder of Kim Jong Nam was carried out with a highly toxic chemical known as VX nerve agent.

The Inspector General of Malaysia Khalid Abu Bakar said in a press release that the Centre for Chemical Weapons identified the substance in its preliminary analysis.

The police said swabs were taken from the eye and the face of the dead North Korean national. "Other exhibits are under analysis," Khalid said in the statement.

Malaysian police added the substance was identified as ethyl S-2-Diisopropylaminoethyl methylphosphonothiolate (or VX nerve agent) in a report by its chemistry department. The substance is a chemical weapon classified as a weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations. Malaysian police were investigating whether the illegal VX was brought into the country of made there, and authorities were sweeping the airport and other locations for radioactive material.

"If the amount of the chemical brought in was small, it would be difficult for us to detect," Khalid told reporters.

VX is tasteless and odourless, and is outlawed under the Chemical Weapons Convention, except for "research, medical or pharmaceutical purposes".

user posted image

It can be manufactured as a liquid, cream or aerosol. Absorbed in large doses, it is fatal after 15 minutes, according to the U.S. Army's Edgewood Chemical Biological Center, making it the most toxic known nerve agent in the world.

Kim Jong Nam is the half-brother of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

The body of a North Korean man who died in an apparent assassination at Kuala Lumpur International Airport on Feb 13 has been unclaimed in a Kuala Lumpur hospital.

His passport identifies him as "Kim Chol", but police need DNA, medical and dental records to confirm who he is.

Police chief Khalid said earlier that a Vietnamese woman and a Indonesian woman wiped a liquid on Kim Jong Nam's face. They later washed their hands and fled the scene.

Airport camera footage released on Monday by Japanese broadcaster Fuji TV shows the moment the women appeared to assault Kim Jong Nam, who is later seen asking airport officials for medical help. He died on the way to hospital.

Police arrested the two women - one Vietnamese and the other Indonesian - and a North Korean man last week. They are also seeking seven other North Koreans wanted in connection with the case, including a diplomat at the embassy in Kuala Lumpur.

user posted image

CHEMICALS SEIZED FROM KL CONDO: REPORT

Police seized chemicals from a Kuala Lumpur condominium on Friday, The Star reported.

The report said a Malaysian man led authorities to the scene, after one of the suspects who was earlier detained by police as part of the probe into Kim Jong Nam's murder revealed his identity.

“Police are not ruling out the possibility that the Malaysian man might have expertise in chemistry,” reported The Star citing a source.

The Star report added that "forensics officers were seen carrying equipment into the residential block".

South Korean and US officials have said they believe North Korean agents assassinated Kim Jong Nam, who had been living in the Chinese territory of Macau under Beijing's protection.

North Korea is believed to have the world's third-largest stockpile of chemical weapons, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative project, which analyses weapons of mass destruction.

South Korean analysts have identified sarin and VX as the focus of the North Korean chemical weapons program.

SUSPECTS WANTED

Malaysian authorities on Thursday requested Interpol to put an alert out to apprehend four North Korean suspects who are believed to have fled Malaysia on the day of the attack.

They also want to question the second secretary at the North Korean embassy, though he has diplomatic immunity, and are seeking two other North Koreans, including an employee at the state-owned airline Air Koryo, who are still believed to be in Malaysia.

The investigation has resulted in fraught relations between two countries that had hitherto maintained friendly ties.

North Korea has said the Southeast Asian nation should be held responsible for the killing of one of its citizens, though it has not acknowledged that the victim is the half brother of the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

Malaysia has recalled its ambassador from Pyongyang for consultations.

- CNA/Agencies/kk/rw

VX nerve agent: What is it and how does it work?

SINGAPORE: Malaysian authorities on Friday (Feb 24) said a chemical weapon, VX nerve agent, was used to kill a man believed to be the half-brother of Kim Jong Un at Kuala Lumpur International Airport on Feb 13.

The substance is a chemical weapon classified as a weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations.

user posted image

WHAT IS VX?

VX is a tasteless and odourless amber-coloured oily liquid. It is outlawed under the Chemical Weapons Convention, except for "research, medical or pharmaceutical purposes".

VX is a human-made chemical warfare agent classified as a nerve agent. Nerve agents are the most toxic and rapidly acting of the known chemical warfare agents.

According to The Guardian, it is 100 times more deadly than the nerve gas sarin, which was used by the Aum Shinrikyo cult during their fatal attack on a Tokyo subway train.

It was developed in the United Kingdom in the 1950s.

user posted image

HOW IT WORKS

The extent of poisoning depends on how much a victim is exposed to, how the exposure occurred and the length of time of the exposure.

Nerve agents operate by preventing an enzyme that acts as the body's "off switch" for glands and muscles. Without this "off switch" muscles and glands are constantly being stimulated - and after a while this will tire out the affected person, who would no longer be able to sustain a breathing function.

Death is caused by asphyxiation or heart failure.

Because it evaporates so slowly, VX can be a long-term threat as well as a short-term threat. Surfaces contaminated with VX should therefore be considered a long-term hazard, says the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

VX can last for days on objects in comes into contact with; in colder temperatures it can last for months on surfaces.

HOW ARE PEOPLE EXPOSED?

By contamination via skin or if they consume contaminated food or liquids.

Clothing can also release VX after contact with VX vapour, which can lead to exposure of other people through contaminated articles.

WHAT ARE THE SYMPTOMS OF VX EXPOSURE?

user posted image

Low or moderate dose: Feeling weak, abnomally low or high blood pressure, drowsiness, blurred vision, chest tightness, confusion, cough, diarrhea, drooling and excessive sweating, headache, increased urination, nausea, vomiting, and/or abdominal pain, rapid breathing, runny nose, slow or fast heart rate, small, pinpoint pupils, watery eyes.

Large dose: Paralysis, convulsions, loss of consciousness, respiratory failure.

CAN IT BE TREATED?

Antidotes are available for VX, but because of how quickly this nerve agent works, those affected need to be treated immediately if they are to survive.

Sources: Guardian, CDC, AFP, Reuters
Fat & Fluffy
post Feb 24 2017, 01:27 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
397 posts

Joined: Jan 2016
From: Hong Kong



War games 360: Your first-hand combat drills experience



Russian paratroopers in combat drill action captured on 360-degree camera.


SUSKLboy92
post Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
189 posts

Joined: Aug 2015
From: Cherasboy
QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 12:31 PM)
deswai i say, any shipyard worth their salt can build trimaran cos building ships isn't as difficult as aircraft manufacturing. their yards launched and delivered literally thousands of ships of every kind every year. out of these, hundreds of them are naval ships. so, xde masalah for them to build trimarans of their own.
of cos la they'll improve on what works for them. 
if only our yards have even 1/4 of their capability....
then again, for every ship their yards launched, their yard received some $$ whilst ours mana ada dapat that kind of incentive.
*
No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design.

MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share doh.gif
TechSuper
post Feb 24 2017, 02:28 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
5 posts

Joined: Jun 2015


QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM)
No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design.

MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share doh.gif
*
i agree... hardware wise, they are very capable. software and integration, it's a hit and miss, apa lagi naval vessels.
but' in China's case, they don't have to tell the world that their's in problematic. hahaha

DDG_Ross
post Feb 24 2017, 02:32 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
27 posts

Joined: Feb 2014
From: Somewhere in the pacific, or indian ocean


QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM)
No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design.

MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share doh.gif
*
true

naval shipbuilding tech and know-how is not as common as you would think even in nations that have long history in shipbuilding
like pilak is the 4th largest shipbuilding nation in the world but they have zero expertise & experience in naval shipbuilding
yinchet
post Feb 24 2017, 02:40 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM)
No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design.

MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share doh.gif
*
Problem arise when ship designed going for stupid technology leaps.
Zumwalt program is an example of its new radar tech, new cms and tons of crazy tech.
In the end the project going way too expensive they have to cap the cost and have to cut costs on rnd.

Meko and dcns was going for a more conservative approach and most of them use mature tech hence less problematic.

US lcs is a massive songlap project and total disaster.
DDG_Ross
post Feb 24 2017, 02:47 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
27 posts

Joined: Feb 2014
From: Somewhere in the pacific, or indian ocean


QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 02:40 PM)
Problem arise when ship designed going for stupid technology leaps.
Zumwalt program is an example of its new radar tech, new cms and tons of crazy tech.
In the end the project going way too expensive they have to cap the cost and have to cut costs on rnd.

Meko and dcns was going for a more conservative approach and most of them use mature tech hence less problematic.

US lcs is a massive songlap project and total disaster.
*
us tends to do that sweat.gif
SUSKLboy92
post Feb 24 2017, 02:50 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
189 posts

Joined: Aug 2015
From: Cherasboy
QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 02:40 PM)
Problem arise when ship designed going for stupid technology leaps.
Zumwalt program is an example of its new radar tech, new cms and tons of crazy tech.
In the end the project going way too expensive they have to cap the cost and have to cut costs on rnd.

Meko and dcns was going for a more conservative approach and most of them use mature tech hence less problematic.

US lcs is a massive songlap project and total disaster.
*
Well you pay a price for being at the forefront of cutting edge tech. Otherwise US can be just another navy, eventually overwhelmed by Chinese zerg rush.

LCS not really songlap, more because of constantly changing concept of use IMHO

Started off as a cheap disposable antiship missile platform, became OH Perry frigate replacement, then somebodies tacked on superfast and special ops support requirements, not to mention playing with different hull forms and splitting contract to ensure fair share... no wonder its a mess doh.gif
yinchet
post Feb 24 2017, 02:54 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya

QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 02:43 PM)
do you think Donny will continue fire the project engineer or keep quiet continue pump marnee into US LCS project?
*
Lcs project could be in trouble next.
I doubt don will pump more money into it.
yinchet
post Feb 24 2017, 02:58 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 02:50 PM)
Well you pay a price for being at the forefront of cutting edge tech. Otherwise US can be just another navy, eventually overwhelmed by Chinese zerg rush.

LCS not really songlap, more because of constantly changing concept of use IMHO

Started off as a cheap disposable antiship missile platform, became OH Perry frigate replacement, then somebodies tacked on superfast and special ops support requirements, not to mention playing with different hull forms and splitting contract to ensure fair share... no wonder its a mess doh.gif
*
Not really it freaking huge songlap project the way I see it.
Weapons system is even more rubbish than malaysian lcs but cost more than usd700mil.
The structure is quite fragile constant break down.
The only thing that it better than malaysia lcs is speed.
SUSKLboy92
post Feb 24 2017, 03:06 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
189 posts

Joined: Aug 2015
From: Cherasboy
QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 02:58 PM)
Not really it freaking huge songlap project the way I see it.
Weapons system is even more rubbish than malaysian lcs but cost more than usd700mil.
The structure is quite fragile constant break down.
The only thing that it better than malaysia lcs is speed.
*
Yeah the speed was the main problem... also forgot to add, its also meant to have ASW and MCM capabilities via module swapping... which are also having major RnD issues. How not to fail like that?

In future though US LCS will be moving to full combat frigate design, probably sacrificing a little speed to mount NSMs. The only thing really lacking is AA.

user posted image

With a renewed focus on conventional combat, I don't think Donald Duck will have problems... fits his antiChina approach.
yinchet
post Feb 24 2017, 03:12 PM

If you wish for peace, prepare for war
Group Icon
Elite
1,157 posts

Joined: Jul 2008
From: Petaling Jaya

QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:06 PM)
Yeah the speed was the main problem... also forgot to add, its also meant to have ASW and MCM capabilities via module swapping... which are also having major RnD issues. How not to fail like that?

In future though US LCS will be moving to full combat frigate design, probably sacrificing a little speed to mount NSMs. The only thing really lacking is AA.

user posted image

With a renewed focus on conventional combat, I don't think Donald Duck will have problems... fits his antiChina approach.
*
That still depend on how the navy view the project.
Lot of navy dislike it from what I heard.
so if donald get negative review on the project and he felt the project too expensive.
Lcs could be in the chopping board.
SUSKLboy92
post Feb 24 2017, 03:50 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
189 posts

Joined: Aug 2015
From: Cherasboy
QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 03:12 PM)
That still depend on how the navy view the project.
Lot of navy dislike it from what I heard.
so if donald get negative review on the project and he felt the project too expensive.
Lcs could be in the chopping board.
*
Be kinda expensive to build whole new design now...

105 Pages « < 69 70 71 72 73 > » 
Bump Topic Topic ClosedOptions New Topic
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0285sec    0.84    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 12th December 2025 - 02:52 AM