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DDG_Ross
post Feb 24 2017, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:50 PM)
Be kinda expensive to build whole new design now...
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ditch the freedom class as its seems the most problematic of the 2 design so just stick with independence class
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post Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:50 PM)
Be kinda expensive to build whole new design now...
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I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. laugh.gif
Freedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil.
They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship.
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post Feb 24 2017, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM)
I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. laugh.gif
Freedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil.
They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship.
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suddenly dengar news main bearings fail lagi, or stern tube leak lagi... hahahahaha
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post Feb 24 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM)
I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. laugh.gif
Freedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil.
They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship.
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1st ship is usually problematic anyway

Maybe trimarans aren't that great an idea for warship...?
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post Feb 24 2017, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 04:56 PM)
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MICA is definitely very cool to have on a ship this small, but it seems kind of overkill for an oversized patrol boat

Thinking it probably is meant to be a meat shield for high value assets in wartime brows.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 04:59 PM)
1st ship is usually problematic anyway

Maybe trimarans aren't that great an idea for warship...?
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sea-keeping qualities wise, it's better than monohull, meaning she rolls less. and with less underwater area, with same installed power, the trimarans can attain higher speed compared to monohull. but, when comes to when she comes alongside to a jetty, she may be trickier.
deck space wise, a lot of deck space for a ship of comparable length + if one hull penetrated by ASM, she still survive - if the ASM hit her on her foreside, might not be able to do much too.

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 04:37 PM)
suddenly dengar news main bearings fail lagi, or stern tube leak lagi... hahahahaha
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The first ship lots of problems not sure masuk keluar kilang how many time edi.
I think it going to retire early.
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 04:59 PM)
1st ship is usually problematic anyway

Maybe trimarans aren't that great an idea for warship...?
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Dunno but it seem too expensive.
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post Feb 24 2017, 08:45 PM

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post Feb 24 2017, 09:44 PM

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post Feb 24 2017, 09:49 PM

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French army AMX AuF1/ GCT 155mm SPH in the CENZUB (urban warfare training center) Gradually replaced by the Caesar SPH.

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 24 2017, 09:49 PM)
French army AMX AuF1/ GCT 155mm SPH in the CENZUB (urban warfare training center) Gradually replaced by the Caesar SPH
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I feel this isn't the right way to go and something of a downgrade.

All things considered, the Caesar is just a normal artillery piece that has a built-in towing truck. For one thing there's no auto-loader and no cover for the crew..... hmm.gif
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post Feb 25 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 25 2017, 11:44 AM)
I feel this isn't the right way to go and something of a downgrade.

All things considered, the Caesar is just a normal artillery piece that has a built-in towing truck. For one thing there's no auto-loader and no cover for the crew..... hmm.gif
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Caesar 8x8 does
Not that I expect the armour to do much against, say, counterbattery MLRS rolleyes.gif

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Still yes, it is a downgrade from full hard cover tracked SPH
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post Feb 25 2017, 01:13 PM

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tracked and wheeled got their own pros & cons
both got their own role in the battlefields
not sure why one should replace the other
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post Feb 25 2017, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 05:11 PM)
MICA is definitely very cool to have on a ship this small, but it seems kind of overkill for an oversized patrol boat

Thinking it probably is meant to be a meat shield for high value assets in wartime brows.gif
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If can fit why not put it
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post Feb 25 2017, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Feb 25 2017, 01:13 PM)
tracked and wheeled got their own pros & cons
both got their own role in the battlefields
not sure why one should replace the other
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aside from lecrerc, french seems moving towards wheeled vehicle
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post Feb 25 2017, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Feb 25 2017, 01:25 PM)
aside from lecrerc, french seems moving towards wheeled vehicle
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More of what sells in market...

Tanks would remain track for coming years giving the heavier armour of a tanks, it not anytime soon it will be wheels based.

But armiers are moving back to advance medium tank with 105mm guns.

I think malaysia should join the bandwagon in deploying medium tank for troop support but one again may question when we aready have gempita with denel turret for troop support role
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 25 2017, 01:44 PM)
I feel this isn't the right way to go and something of a downgrade.

All things considered, the Caesar is just a normal artillery piece that has a built-in towing truck. For one thing there's no auto-loader and no cover for the crew..... hmm.gif
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 25 2017, 02:54 PM)
Caesar 8x8 does
Not that I expect the armour to do much against, say, counterbattery MLRS rolleyes.gif

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Still yes, it is a downgrade from full hard cover tracked SPH
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MLRS diff role..

gct is 39-calibre, caesar is 52..

i dont think its not because the french want to but it cost too much and the old machine cant run well anymore..

QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 25 2017, 04:23 PM)
But armiers are moving back to advance medium tank with 105mm guns.
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who?

QUOTE(greghome @ Feb 25 2017, 04:36 PM)
What's the point of a "medium tank " when that's basically a full fledge Soviet MBT
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hmm.gif both can tahan rpg7?
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post Feb 25 2017, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM)
No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design.

MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share doh.gif
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Ya, Trimaran or catamaran is complex ship building, specially more complex for Military ship. those ship hull usually built by fibre/aluminium which need to know-how design and Welding ... it different Welding than steel hull. and due to large light weight, structure design need alot experience and knowledge, because LCS high-speed travel structure get a lot pressure on engine and drive-shaft. that why LCS have suffer alot crack issue. and keep improve.

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post Feb 25 2017, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 03:12 PM)
That still depend on how the navy view the project.
Lot of navy dislike it from what I heard.
so if donald get negative review on the project and he felt the project too expensive.
Lcs could be in the chopping board.
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recently they restructure to LCS operation

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=96574

https://news.usni.org/2016/09/08/results-ne...original-vision

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