QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:50 PM)
ditch the freedom class as its seems the most problematic of the 2 design so just stick with independence class
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Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 03:50 PM) I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. Freedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil. They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship. |
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Feb 24 2017, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM) I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. suddenly dengar news main bearings fail lagi, or stern tube leak lagi... hahahahahaFreedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil. They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship. |
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Feb 24 2017, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM) I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. 1st ship is usually problematic anywayFreedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil. They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship. Maybe trimarans aren't that great an idea for warship...? |
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Feb 24 2017, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 04:59 PM) sea-keeping qualities wise, it's better than monohull, meaning she rolls less. and with less underwater area, with same installed power, the trimarans can attain higher speed compared to monohull. but, when comes to when she comes alongside to a jetty, she may be trickier. deck space wise, a lot of deck space for a ship of comparable length + if one hull penetrated by ASM, she still survive - if the ASM hit her on her foreside, might not be able to do much too. |
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Feb 24 2017, 05:56 PM
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Indonesian Air Force new AW101 helicopter during last Friday test flight. Credit to Dimas Ilham Photography.
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Feb 24 2017, 09:44 PM
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One of the French Caesar SPH involved in the battle of Mosul against ISIS. 34 destruction missions last week.
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Feb 24 2017, 09:49 PM
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French army AMX AuF1/ GCT 155mm SPH in the CENZUB (urban warfare training center) Gradually replaced by the Caesar SPH.
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Feb 25 2017, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 24 2017, 09:49 PM) French army AMX AuF1/ GCT 155mm SPH in the CENZUB (urban warfare training center) Gradually replaced by the Caesar SPH I feel this isn't the right way to go and something of a downgrade. All things considered, the Caesar is just a normal artillery piece that has a built-in towing truck. For one thing there's no auto-loader and no cover for the crew..... |
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Feb 25 2017, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 25 2017, 11:44 AM) I feel this isn't the right way to go and something of a downgrade. Caesar 8x8 doesAll things considered, the Caesar is just a normal artillery piece that has a built-in towing truck. For one thing there's no auto-loader and no cover for the crew..... Not that I expect the armour to do much against, say, counterbattery MLRS Still yes, it is a downgrade from full hard cover tracked SPH |
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Feb 25 2017, 01:13 PM
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tracked and wheeled got their own pros & cons
both got their own role in the battlefields not sure why one should replace the other |
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Feb 25 2017, 01:17 PM
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QUOTE(patt_sue @ Feb 25 2017, 01:25 PM) More of what sells in market... Tanks would remain track for coming years giving the heavier armour of a tanks, it not anytime soon it will be wheels based. But armiers are moving back to advance medium tank with 105mm guns. I think malaysia should join the bandwagon in deploying medium tank for troop support but one again may question when we aready have gempita with denel turret for troop support role |
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Feb 25 2017, 02:56 PM
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 25 2017, 01:44 PM) I feel this isn't the right way to go and something of a downgrade. All things considered, the Caesar is just a normal artillery piece that has a built-in towing truck. For one thing there's no auto-loader and no cover for the crew..... QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 25 2017, 02:54 PM) Caesar 8x8 does MLRS diff role..Not that I expect the armour to do much against, say, counterbattery MLRS Still yes, it is a downgrade from full hard cover tracked SPH gct is 39-calibre, caesar is 52.. i dont think its not because the french want to but it cost too much and the old machine cant run well anymore.. QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 25 2017, 04:23 PM) who?QUOTE(greghome @ Feb 25 2017, 04:36 PM) |
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Feb 25 2017, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM) No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design. Ya, Trimaran or catamaran is complex ship building, specially more complex for Military ship. those ship hull usually built by fibre/aluminium which need to know-how design and Welding ... it different Welding than steel hull. and due to large light weight, structure design need alot experience and knowledge, because LCS high-speed travel structure get a lot pressure on engine and drive-shaft. that why LCS have suffer alot crack issue. and keep improve.MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share This post has been edited by waja2000: Feb 25 2017, 03:32 PM |
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Feb 25 2017, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 03:12 PM) That still depend on how the navy view the project. recently they restructure to LCS operation Lot of navy dislike it from what I heard. so if donald get negative review on the project and he felt the project too expensive. Lcs could be in the chopping board. http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=96574 https://news.usni.org/2016/09/08/results-ne...original-vision |
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