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post Feb 28 2017, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(wc_how @ Feb 28 2017, 12:20 AM)
Just within 2years time, Z5 & Z5P, X & XP, XZ, now XZs & XZP.
(Some maybe will argue that only the premium version is the flagship, but i don't agree that because a similar high end spec, with different screen actually are both flagship. Just like consider only IP7+ is only flagship but not IP7 or only galaxy note not galaxy s.)
I feel Sony strategy is stupid, its products do not fight its competitors, but itself. Who still buying their XZ now which is only 4months old unless the price is quite different (it cuts its own price). It doesn't honor their customers but embarrassing them by outdating their phone in 4 months.
I think they focus on a cybershot and a walkman series will help them grab back the market share, at least it won't fighting itself.
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post Feb 28 2017, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(wc_how @ Feb 28 2017, 12:20 AM)
Just within 2years time, Z5 & Z5P, X & XP, XZ, now XZs & XZP.
(Some maybe will argue that only the premium version is the flagship, but i don't agree that because a similar high end spec, with different screen actually are both flagship. Just like consider only IP7+ is only flagship but not IP7 or only galaxy note not galaxy s.)
I feel Sony strategy is stupid, its products do not fight its competitors, but itself. Who still buying their XZ now which is only 4months old unless the price is quite different (it cuts its own price). It doesn't honor their customers but embarrassing them by outdating their phone in 4 months.
I think they focus on a cybershot and a walkman series will help them grab back the market share, at least it won't fighting itself.
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With XZs 4GB in just four months I was wondering why can't they just skip this model and put it on the XZ? I dunno what to say about Sony's strategy anymore..
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post Feb 28 2017, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Feb 27 2017, 11:16 PM)
it seems now is the best moment to own z5p , the phone  now gt 50% discount , right ?
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i guess dont have z5p in market ady.. probably balance stock.. but price should be around 2099.. initial launch price is 3099..

QUOTE(soitsuagain @ Feb 28 2017, 08:06 AM)
With XZs 4GB in just four months I was wondering why can't they just skip this model and put it on the XZ? I dunno what to say about Sony's strategy anymore..
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hmm.. indeed.. XZ owners definitely will feel hard.. my cousin also just bought 1 XZ black before CNY.. but he is not tech ppl so is ok.. i believe most forumers over here are quite up-to-date with tech products, so this will be very sad to recent owners..

but let's us to think over again.. XZ/Z5 series it isnt running smooth currently?! YES.. Why change?! We may decide to buy or not. seriously flagships may lasts at least 2 years. What i can say is the trend is moving too fast, normal ppl's pocket money cant follow the pace
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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Feb 28 2017, 08:27 AM)
i guess dont have z5p in market ady.. probably balance stock.. but price should be around 2099.. initial launch price is 3099..
hmm.. indeed.. XZ owners definitely will feel hard.. my cousin also just bought 1 XZ black before CNY.. but he is not tech ppl so is ok.. i believe most forumers over here are quite up-to-date with tech products, so this will be very sad to recent owners..

but let's us to think over again.. XZ/Z5 series it isnt running smooth currently?! YES.. Why change?! We may decide to buy or not. seriously flagships may lasts at least 2 years. What i can say is the trend is moving too fast, normal ppl's pocket money cant follow the pace
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Z5P is RM1,999 now at Sony official store
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QUOTE(wc_how @ Feb 27 2017, 08:33 PM)
Sony promise 1 year 1 flagship. Seem like they never change, still 1 year 4 flagship.
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Honestly I do not believe the theory of One Model to rule all. There are technically 4 different range in the market:
Compact (<5"), Standard (5-5.3"), Phablet (5.4-5.7") aka Premium Series, Tab (5.8"+) aka Ultra Series. There is nothing wrong of giving 4 top of the spec devices every year.

And, due to the nature of product development, you won't release all models in one shot as this would give problem to the entire development/production/marketing/sales.

XZs is a facelift of XZ similiar to what the Apple way of saying IP6 to IP6s. I think now is either you wait for the XZ price to come down (they surely need to clear off the old stock), or wait a bit more to get the XZs.

Range Compact Standard Phablet Tab
Flagship (Missing XZ Compact) XZ (XZs) XZ Premium (Missing XZ Ultra)
Mid-range X Compact X X Premium (Cancelled) (X Ultra)
Entry (XA Compact) XA (XA Premium) XA Ultra

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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Feb 28 2017, 08:27 AM)
i guess dont have z5p in market ady.. probably balance stock.. but price should be around 2099.. initial launch price is 3099..
hmm.. indeed.. XZ owners definitely will feel hard.. my cousin also just bought 1 XZ black before CNY.. but he is not tech ppl so is ok.. i believe most forumers over here are quite up-to-date with tech products, so this will be very sad to recent owners..

but let's us to think over again.. XZ/Z5 series it isnt running smooth currently?! YES.. Why change?! We may decide to buy or not. seriously flagships may lasts at least 2 years. What i can say is the trend is moving too fast, normal ppl's pocket money cant follow the pace
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Yes indeed. We buy what we need. If you start chasing tech, it's a never ending game. Also if you choose to wait for better spec, it's also a never ending waiting game. Conclusion just but what you need and what appeal to you.

Tech in smartphone is quite mature now. Even a s810 is still working good as of now. 3gb ram... It's just a number. I personally do not feel any lag using xz as my daily phone.

On flagship... To be fair xperia x was never a flagship phone from Sony. X performance sees only limited release in certain country. Not even release in Malaysia. So in 2016 there is only 1 true flagship model from Sony and that's xz.

Come 2017, i think the real flagship is xzp. But that won't be release until late may or June. Xzs, i don't think it's a flagship as it carry the tech spec of 2016. Just a minor update just like the z3+.
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Coming from Xperia Z, I guess I'll see you around in 4-5 years time (XZ5 maybe? haha or XY) laugh.gif

This post has been edited by yuhhaur: Feb 28 2017, 09:43 AM
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post Feb 28 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Feb 28 2017, 09:06 AM)
Honestly I do not believe the theory of One Model to rule all. There are technically 4 different range in the market:
Compact (<5"), Standard (5-5.3"), Phablet (5.4-5.7") aka Premium Series, Tab (5.8"+) aka Ultra Series. There is nothing wrong of giving 4 top of the spec devices every year.

And, due to the nature of product development, you won't release all models in one shot as this would give problem to the entire development/production/marketing/sales.

XZs is a facelift of XZ similiar to what the Apple way of saying IP6 to IP6s. I think now is either you wait for the XZ price to come down (they surely need to clear off the old stock), or wait a bit more to get the XZs.

Range Compact Standard Phablet Tab
Flagship (Missing XZ Compact) XZ (XZs) XZ Premium (Missing XZ Ultra)
Mid-range X Compact X X Premium (Cancelled) (X Ultra)
Entry (XA Compact) XA (XA Premium) XA Ultra
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I agree that one model won't rule all. But not killing its own product just 4 months old. Apple release S version after 1 year. Sony didn't announce XP was a flagship, but the specs was the highest during that time. It should not be a mid-range. For the previous version, it is not so "hurt" because it still consider an upgrade, like Z1 to Z2 to Z3.... But this time, XZ to XZs is an facelift lol.
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post Feb 28 2017, 10:38 AM

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I have an XZ and also disappointed the XZs has come out so soon.

But then owners of One Plus 3 had the same issue when One Plus 3T came out. Even worse coz that one had the SD 821 processor.

At the end of the day, just enjoy the phone smile.gif



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post Feb 28 2017, 11:01 AM

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XZ was announced on IFA Sept 16, availability in MY was early Oct.

Time flies its already 6 months.
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post Feb 28 2017, 11:04 AM

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If terms matter, XZ/XZs are flagships and Z5p and XZp are super flagships
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that slow-mo vid drool.gif drool.gif

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that slow-mo vid  drool.gif  drool.gif

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So nice, it's super slo-mo. The blue mirror finish looks tantalizing too.
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When I call a friend using xz loud speaker, I notice the loud speaker is very soft and the sound isn't come out from the front. Anyone else have this problem?
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QUOTE(jasonffx @ Mar 15 2017, 09:03 AM)
When I call a friend using xz loud speaker, I notice the loud speaker is very soft and the sound isn't come out from the front. Anyone else have this problem?
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Unfortunately, With loud speaker calls, only one speaker is firing, opposed of 2 when playing medias. So, this is normal.

BTW, March security patch is up.
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post Mar 15 2017, 08:58 PM

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Up with latest March security patch.
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QUOTE(wc_how @ Mar 15 2017, 08:58 PM)
Up with latest March security patch.
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Woke up with the latest March security patch biggrin.gif (i set it to install before went to bed)
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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Mar 16 2017, 09:10 AM)
Woke up with the latest March security patch biggrin.gif  (i set it to install before went to bed)
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I haven't gotten mine
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post Mar 27 2017, 01:15 PM

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Anyone has news of release date and expected price yet?
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did official xz price drop after xzs launch?

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