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post Nov 13 2016, 10:02 AM

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Just stumbled upon this video on the Passat B8, though this one is diesel. The 0-100km/h acceleration is brutal, achieving a blistering 5.92s. Watching the needle sprinting up rapidly on the speedometer is quite amazing. On top of that, the acceleration to 200 km/h is uniformly quick up to 240 km/h where it almost hits the plateau.

I wonder if there will be a similar video on the high-spec Passat B8 2.0 petrol that we are getting over here.

This post has been edited by SportyHandling: Nov 13 2016, 10:06 AM
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post Nov 13 2016, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 12 2016, 10:28 PM)
On a Comfortline Passat the 6.5" unit as seen on the photo costs RM 1555. GPS for that unit is another RM 2656. Instead, you could get the 8" Discover Pro (same arrangement, same buttons, but the screen goes right up to the buttons and they are a bit further away), which is RM 11058 and already includes GPS. IMHO the best choice for Malaysia would be the 6.5" HU, but instead of GPS they should have picked App Connect and Media Control. Lets you control the HU from your tablet, and lets you use Android Auto etc. Costs RM 1340, or RM 981 without the tablet stuff. The leftover money could be invested in the 11 speaker Dynaudio sound system for RM 6342, adjustable suspension for RM 5744, raised ride height for RM 2896 (15 mm higher, good for those bad Malaysian roads), 360° GTA style camera from above the car for RM 4164. Heads-up display is RM 2704, while that awesome digital dashboard is RM 3183. LED headlights are RM 5217, while the matrix LED option is RM 10268. But I have the HID version of that (which probably isn't as good), and it's awesome. I love it. The options list on Comfortline Passats is 107 items long.

One thing they really should have included is Adaptive Cruise Control for only RM 2154! It's mind boggling that they didn't include that option, given the other way too expensive kit they've included that's just gimmicky and pointless. Especially in combination with DSG it's a great feature. Prevents accidents/lessens accidents, and makes driving just so much more comfortable. Plus the competitors don't have it.
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How did u know the prices?
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post Nov 13 2016, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(s65amg @ Nov 13 2016, 11:37 AM)
How did u know the prices?
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Those aren't options for Malaysian market but options for German market.

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post Nov 13 2016, 12:10 PM

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Got car to test drive alredi ?
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post Nov 13 2016, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(PrinceHamsap @ Nov 13 2016, 12:10 PM)
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post Nov 14 2016, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Nov 13 2016, 11:59 AM)
Those aren't options for Malaysian market but options for German market.
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Exactly. It seems to me like the cars in Malaysia are based on German specs, VWM then picks the options they think make sense in Malaysia. They probably won't pay the full price, but still.

Sadly Malaysians aren't given the choice.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 12 2016, 10:28 PM)
On a Comfortline Passat the 6.5" unit as seen on the photo costs RM 1555. GPS for that unit is another RM 2656. Instead, you could get the 8" Discover Pro (same arrangement, same buttons, but the screen goes right up to the buttons and they are a bit further away), which is RM 11058 and already includes GPS. IMHO the best choice for Malaysia would be the 6.5" HU, but instead of GPS they should have picked App Connect and Media Control. Lets you control the HU from your tablet, and lets you use Android Auto etc. Costs RM 1340, or RM 981 without the tablet stuff. The leftover money could be invested in the 11 speaker Dynaudio sound system for RM 6342, adjustable suspension for RM 5744, raised ride height for RM 2896 (15 mm higher, good for those bad Malaysian roads), 360° GTA style camera from above the car for RM 4164. Heads-up display is RM 2704, while that awesome digital dashboard is RM 3183. LED headlights are RM 5217, while the matrix LED option is RM 10268. But I have the HID version of that (which probably isn't as good), and it's awesome. I love it. The options list on Comfortline Passats is 107 items long.

One thing they really should have included is Adaptive Cruise Control for only RM 2154! It's mind boggling that they didn't include that option, given the other way too expensive kit they've included that's just gimmicky and pointless. Especially in combination with DSG it's a great feature. Prevents accidents/lessens accidents, and makes driving just so much more comfortable. Plus the competitors don't have it.
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Adaptive cruise control is expensive and actually fairly complicated to implement if you've actually seen how they retrofit the damn thing. Granted, it won't be hard at all in the factory but there are quite a bit of components and parts that come with this feature. I would definitely have loved to see it for sure but with the weak ringgit, it was inevitable that some features would be cut.

They select features based on what is high on most Malaysian's priority list and wants.
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post Nov 14 2016, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 14 2016, 07:48 AM)
Adaptive cruise control is expensive and actually fairly complicated to implement if you've actually seen how they retrofit the damn thing. Granted, it won't be hard at all in the factory but there are quite a bit of components and parts that come with this feature. I would definitely have loved to see it for sure but with the weak ringgit, it was inevitable that some features would be cut.

They select features based on what is high on most Malaysian's priority list and wants.
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Would you want adaptive cruise control?

I quoted from the price list... it's RM 2154 for adaptive cruise control. VWM is probably going to pay less for it. And they've opted for options that make less sense than that. With people being so annoyed of traffic jams, don't you think a car that accelerates and brakes by itself would sell like hot cakes?

On a Golf at least the driver fatigue warning system is something like RM 1500, and all it does is tell you you're tired. Which it doesn't, because I have the feature, I have it activated, and it only ever reminded me that I'm tired when I was fully awake. On the other hand, those times where I AM tired...? Nope. Never alerted me. It's as pointless as it can be, and it doesn't work. Also, those leather seats are several thousand Euros probably, and what's the point of those? Burn your ass? The powered boot lid (annoyingly slow, probably) is IIRC also twice as expensive as the adaptive cruise control.

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post Nov 14 2016, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 14 2016, 07:52 AM)
Would you want adaptive cruise control?

I quoted from the price list... it's RM 2154 for adaptive cruise control. VWM is probably going to pay less for it. And they've opted for options that make less sense than that. With people being so annoyed of traffic jams, don't you think a car that accelerates and brakes by itself would sell like hot cakes?

On a Golf at least the driver fatigue warning system is something like RM 1500, and all it does is tell you you're tired. Which it doesn't, because I have the feature, I have it activated, and it only ever reminded me that I'm tired when I was fully awake. On the other hand, those times where I AM tired...? Nope. Never alerted me. It's as pointless as it can be, and it doesn't work. Also, those leather seats are several thousand Euros probably, and what's the point of those? Burn your ass? The powered boot lid (annoyingly slow, probably) is IIRC also twice as expensive as the adaptive cruise control.
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Yes I would like to have the ACC definitely but I don't think it is that cheap. I think being CKD, many of the more advance features are brought in from other countries. If you factor in the cost of transport and exchange rates, the price should be a lot higher than what you list.

The driver fatigue warning system is a waste of time. I rather they give me something else than that nonsense. I agree, it doesn't work. It never comes on even when I was starting to feel the weariness.

The things I want in the car are as follows

2.0 GTI engine (220Ps)
6 or 7 speed WET clutch
LED headlights or HID is fine
Electric folding mirrors
Adaptive Cruise Control
Auto Air conditioning 3 zones
17 or 18 inch wheels


Don't really care much about the DCC or electric chairs or electric boot or the radio player that much. Lane departure warning and blind spot monitoring system or reverse camera I can do without as well


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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 14 2016, 01:22 PM)
Yes I would like to have the ACC definitely but I don't think it is that cheap. I think being CKD, many of the more advance features are brought in from other countries. If you factor in the cost of transport and exchange rates, the price should be a lot higher than what you list.

The driver fatigue warning system is a waste of time. I rather they give me something else than that nonsense. I agree, it doesn't work. It never comes on even when I was starting to feel the weariness.

The things I want in the car are as follows

2.0 GTI engine (220Ps)
6 or 7 speed WET clutch
LED headlights or HID is fine
Electric folding mirrors
Adaptive Cruise Control
Auto Air conditioning 3 zones
17 or 18 inch wheels
Don't really care much about the DCC or electric chairs or electric boot or the radio player that much. Lane departure warning and blind spot monitoring system or reverse camera I can do without as well
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Blind spot monitoring is quite useful and reverse camera is very useful. Once you are used to reverse camera you definitely want it in your next car. It gives you a field of view which is much better than your rear view mirror and you can depend on it instead of wondering how far to reverse.
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post Nov 14 2016, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 14 2016, 01:22 PM)
Yes I would like to have the ACC definitely but I don't think it is that cheap. I think being CKD, many of the more advance features are brought in from other countries. If you factor in the cost of transport and exchange rates, the price should be a lot higher than what you list.

The driver fatigue warning system is a waste of time. I rather they give me something else than that nonsense. I agree, it doesn't work. It never comes on even when I was starting to feel the weariness.

The things I want in the car are as follows

2.0 GTI engine (220Ps)
6 or 7 speed WET clutch
LED headlights or HID is fine
Electric folding mirrors
Adaptive Cruise Control
Auto Air conditioning 3 zones
17 or 18 inch wheels
Don't really care much about the DCC or electric chairs or electric boot or the radio player that much. Lane departure warning and blind spot monitoring system or reverse camera I can do without as well
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Why do you need auto air conditioning 3 zones especially at Malaysia's hot weather. Even with my dual zone, I just set them to be the same.

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post Nov 14 2016, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Nov 14 2016, 01:54 PM)
Blind spot monitoring is quite useful and reverse camera is very useful. Once you are used to reverse camera you definitely want it in your next car. It gives you a field of view which is much better than your rear view mirror and you can depend on it instead of wondering how far to reverse.
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people like me that constantly drive 10 year old vehicle is good enough with mirror laugh.gif

Side note: IMO, I am those people that consider auto a/c is rather useless, same goes to reverse cam.
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post Nov 14 2016, 08:02 PM

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Why isn't Skoda here? CKD-ed at the same price it would sell much better than the Passat, the new Kodiaq too...
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post Nov 15 2016, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 14 2016, 01:22 PM)
Yes I would like to have the ACC definitely but I don't think it is that cheap. I think being CKD, many of the more advance features are brought in from other countries. If you factor in the cost of transport and exchange rates, the price should be a lot higher than what you list.

The driver fatigue warning system is a waste of time. I rather they give me something else than that nonsense. I agree, it doesn't work. It never comes on even when I was starting to feel the weariness.

The things I want in the car are as follows

2.0 GTI engine (220Ps)
6 or 7 speed WET clutch
LED headlights or HID is fine
Electric folding mirrors
Adaptive Cruise Control
Auto Air conditioning 3 zones
17 or 18 inch wheels
Don't really care much about the DCC or electric chairs or electric boot or the radio player that much. Lane departure warning and blind spot monitoring system or reverse camera I can do without as well
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If the driver fatigue warning worked... and especially alerts me when I did fall asleep, then yeah, why not. But it doesn't.

I would want the Dynamic Light Assist... big fan of it, wouldn't want a car without. High beam without blinding others is just sooooooo good. biggrin.gif No complaints that I can't see anything at night.

DCC... for more comfort. I wish my Golf was more comfortable... I would pretty much set the DCC to comfort and forget about it. Maybe occasionally set it to sport for twisty roads, but other than that? I had some rental cars with reverse camera, and it's really nice. The VW parking sensors with visual aid are nice too, but I wouldn't mind a reverse camera.

Lane departure warning is much more than the name implies... it steers itself. It's more relaxed to drive with it, and besides it has saved me a few times where I would have left the road without it. I can get very tired very suddenly, out of nowhere, and there isn't always somewhere where I can rest. Absolute must have for me. Plus in the Golf 7 facelift ACC + LDW = it drives itself in traffic jams up to 60 km/h.

Where is the CKD kit coming from? Probably they are sending it from Germany? Might as well add in the box with the ACC sensor. Retrofitting is hard, sure, but they are assembling the car anyway. Does it make assembly a bit harder? I suppose, but nothing they can't manage. Btw., there are shops that sell you all the components to retrofit the system. It's not even that expensive, excluding workmanship.

Blind spot monitoring would be useful too.

QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 14 2016, 03:50 PM)
Why do you need  auto air conditioning 3 zones especially at Malaysia's hot weather. Even with my dual zone, I just set them to be the same.
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Different people like different temperatures. I'm good with 22°C usually, my mother prefers 19°C. So when we drive together there's always some fighting over the temperature... thanks to dual zone aircon that problem is solved.

QUOTE(chuakz @ Nov 14 2016, 08:02 PM)
Why isn't Skoda here? CKD-ed at the same price it would sell much better than the Passat, the new Kodiaq too...
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They are. Or were. No one bought them. Malaysians are too much into image...
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 15 2016, 03:08 AM)


Different people like different temperatures. I'm good with 22°C usually, my mother prefers 19°C. So when we drive together there's always some fighting over the temperature... thanks to dual zone aircon that problem is solved.

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The temperature in the cabin will be the same as there's no partition , what change is the air temperature from the air cond vent.
But why pay more for some useless feature when you can just slow down the air blower by adjusting the outlet for your side.
Seriously how many people who have dual air-cond really uses it especially here in Malaysia.

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QUOTE(Drian @ Nov 15 2016, 09:54 AM)
The temperature in the cabin will be the same as there's no partition , what change is the air temperature from the air cond vent.
But why pay more for some useless feature when you can just slow down the air blower by adjusting the outlet for your side.
Seriously how many people who have dual air-cond really uses it especially here in Malaysia.
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I agree. Dual zone air-con in a small enclosed space without partition is just nonsense.

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 12 2016, 10:28 PM)
On a Comfortline Passat the 6.5" unit as seen on the photo costs RM 1555. GPS for that unit is another RM 2656. Instead, you could get the 8" Discover Pro (same arrangement, same buttons, but the screen goes right up to the buttons and they are a bit further away), which is RM 11058 and already includes GPS. IMHO the best choice for Malaysia would be the 6.5" HU, but instead of GPS they should have picked App Connect and Media Control. Lets you control the HU from your tablet, and lets you use Android Auto etc. Costs RM 1340, or RM 981 without the tablet stuff. The leftover money could be invested in the 11 speaker Dynaudio sound system for RM 6342, adjustable suspension for RM 5744, raised ride height for RM 2896 (15 mm higher, good for those bad Malaysian roads), 360° GTA style camera from above the car for RM 4164. Heads-up display is RM 2704, while that awesome digital dashboard is RM 3183. LED headlights are RM 5217, while the matrix LED option is RM 10268. But I have the HID version of that (which probably isn't as good), and it's awesome. I love it. The options list on Comfortline Passats is 107 items long.

One thing they really should have included is Adaptive Cruise Control for only RM 2154! It's mind boggling that they didn't include that option, given the other way too expensive kit they've included that's just gimmicky and pointless. Especially in combination with DSG it's a great feature. Prevents accidents/lessens accidents, and makes driving just so much more comfortable. Plus the competitors don't have it.
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If the prices you have quoted are not applicable to Malaysia, why publish them here. If you want to mention those prices, it is appropriate that you mention where did you obtain these prices from. If the prices are taken from another country and converted to Malaysian ringgit, then put a disclaimer. Otherwise you are just causing confusion.

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All this talk about the air-cond, this dual air-cond actually works, well, partially although not fully. It will be more effective with the front passengers but worthless for people sitting at the rear seat. You can actually have HOT air blowing at you (yes, hot air and not normal temperature air) if you set the temperature to high temperatures with certain cars. It's like a heater air blower. The hot air can blow to the driver's side while cold air can blow to the passenger side as the distance from the air cond vents to the passengers sitting at the front is short. However, for those sitting at the back seat, the dual air-cond feature will not be too useful as the cold and hot air would have mixed up together once the air reached the rear portion.
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QUOTE(Dwango @ Nov 15 2016, 12:18 PM)
If the prices you have quoted are not applicable to Malaysia, why publish them here. If you want to mention those prices, it is appropriate that you mention where did you obtain these prices from. If the prices are taken from another country and converted to Malaysian ringgit, then put a disclaimer. Otherwise you are just causing confusion.
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Apologies. Actually I forgot the car is CKD.

Anyway, those are the prices that a customer in Germany has to pay to get these options, excluding any discounts that the dealer may give customers (which is something like 10-15% on the car? Maybe more). Don't you think that VWM is getting better prices?

There's a company selling everything you need to upgrade to ACC on the B8... the kit costs around RM 4700, but you have to consider that they need to get the parts as spare parts, which are more expensive than what they cost when they get installed when making the car, and they need to supply parts that already exist on the car, like parts of the front bumper etc. So you'll have to pay for it twice, once when getting the car and once to upgrade.
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 15 2016, 01:26 PM)
Apologies. Actually I forgot the car is CKD.

Anyway, those are the prices that a customer in Germany has to pay to get these options, excluding any discounts that the dealer may give customers (which is something like 10-15% on the car? Maybe more). Don't you think that VWM is getting better prices?

There's a company selling everything you need to upgrade to ACC on the B8... the kit costs around RM 4700, but you have to consider that they need to get the parts as spare parts, which are more expensive than what they cost when they get installed when making the car, and they need to supply parts that already exist on the car, like parts of the front bumper etc. So you'll have to pay for it twice, once when getting the car and once to upgrade.
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I checked on ebay and various sites. The kit alone will cost well over RM4000 if you buy from sellers direct, that price does not include shipping, and does not including duties. But that's only one part of the story, you still need to pay for the labor charges as well as the programming charges. Which is why retrofitting adaptive cruise control/self park/lane departure warning will cost around RM10000+ because they are part of the system and there are many other accessories which needs to be bought and fixed in order for the entirety to work. I will stress again, this is quite a labor intensive job - chairs and carpet will need to be removed, the dashboard possibly as well, and the wiring will need to be rerouted and after all that is done, it needs to be programmed and tested.

Of course, if this was done in the factory, it will be a lot easier but still doesn't change the fact that different parts will need to be brought in (subject to duties) and additional labor will be required.

Btw, VWPCM might not get it any cheaper because they conduct their purchases in USD. They also need to account for the transport cost and the weak ringgit isn't helping anyone.

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