


All-New B8 Volkswagen Passat
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Nov 7 2016, 10:47 AM
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Any idea if the Passat here comes with the beige leather trim?
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Nov 7 2016, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 07:58 AM) I would be more concern on after-sales service. I read that one may have to book a service appointment about 1 month in advance as there are no slots if you book 1 or 2 weeks earlier. And VW is very strict with the mileage as they will consider the warranty of the vehicle to be void if the car's mileage exceeds the recommended mileage when the car is sent in late for service. Is this true? Other car manufacturers are more relaxed in this aspect. Ford actually has 1,000 km or 1 month buffer on top of the recommended mileage/period of sending the car in for service. The owner will not be forfeited if it is still within the buffer period. |
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Nov 7 2016, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 7 2016, 12:02 AM) With the diesel emissions debacle, slow and low volume models will be removed to preserve margin and capacity for higher selling models.VW did consider having a special premium CC to take over the Phaeton and take on customers who want something a little more premium than the passat but don't want to pay for A4, C Class, or 3 Series money. QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 07:58 AM) Coming back to the new Passat. Not too sure on the advantages of DRY clutch vs. WET clutch. Any thoughts? It is unfortunate that the high-spec 1.8 does not come with a wet clutch and only the high-spec 2.0 comes with one. In terms of reliability and performance, I presume the wet clutch as a slight advantage? Any support or evidence on the superiority of wet clutch compared to the dry clutch? Your friend probably was one of the unlucky ones who kena piston crack issue, that's why need such a big project to repair.Dry clutch for efficiency, wet clutch for better torque handling capacity with slight efficiency disadvantages. Google about it, a lot of technical knowledge to gain. Hard to write here in short. QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 10:47 AM) Very unlikely, you see the history of all local VW launches, all balck interior. |
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Nov 7 2016, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 10:42 AM) The Ford Mondeo has a rather significant discount now, slightly below RM180k so I don't think the new Passat 2.0 high-spec will be cheaper than the Mondeo. Other than the price, it also depends on several factors. One of my colleague has test driven the Mondeo three times this year being an avid fan (though he hasn't decided to buy it yet), and he had also test driven the previous generation Passat. He likes the handling and feel of the Mondeo better (than the Passat). ALso, he mentioned that the Mondeo is a very powerful car, more powerful than the Passat on paper. Not too sure if this new Mondeo would be even more powerful but it was reported that the handling of the Passat still cannot match the Mondeo, and the Mazda 6. u might have a point there. but since malaysian buyer always look for the brand..it will be a tough match up. but i think the best seller will be the 1.8 version.Apart from power and performance in handling, there is also the interior and exterior looks also which is personal. For me, I do think the VW Passat looks better than the Mondeo in both interior and exterior. I don't quite like the interior of the Mondeo. No doubt the quality and fit and finish inside the Mondeo are superb - the nice leather seats, the fit and finish on the door panels etc. But I don't quite like the design which looks outdated. The VW Passat's interior looks classier and more tasteful, more modern. Though Mondeo looks and feels like a huge car. The Passat looks slightly smaller. Not too sure which vehicle is roomier inside the cabin. In the end, it depends on what the user is looking for. All cars have their pros and cons. |
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Nov 7 2016, 06:06 PM
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The Mondeo would be harder to maintain as there are so few on the road so spare parts is probably not ex-stock. However there are plenty of Passats so parts for common issues will not be a problem.
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Nov 7 2016, 08:05 PM
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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Nov 7 2016, 06:06 PM) The Mondeo would be harder to maintain as there are so few on the road so spare parts is probably not ex-stock. However there are plenty of Passats so parts for common issues will not be a problem. Yes, that is certainly a valid point as I also tell my colleague the same thing. Not that he did not notice. There are hardly any Mondeo on the road. At least I have seen one or two Mondeos on the road for the past 1+ year, but my colleague did not see even a single Mondeo on the road yet, other than the one that is parked in the showroom. That is the main concern really, the rarity on the roads which means the response to this Mondeo is lukewarm. Nowadays economy is bad and less people are buying stuff and spending money, more so changing cars. Sales are bad and my colleague got texts from the salesman on the reduction in price for the Mondeo. I told him not to commit as the price will be reduced even further with this kind of economy. |
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Nov 7 2016, 08:44 PM
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Nov 7 2016, 10:51 PM
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latest mondeo less fun to drive compared to previos gen.
ditched dual clutch already.. |
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Nov 8 2016, 08:22 AM
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For those worried about car value and mechatronics issue - then your only choice is the Passat 2.0.
It sports the same GTI mk7 engine and the same 6 speed wet clutch. The gadgets it has on it is equal or better than the GTI mk7 as well. For anyone who is uncertain about the 2.0 variant, they only need to look at the history of the GTI mk7 to get some feedback about the car. The only downside for the 2.0 variant is the more expensive major servicing cost compared to the 1.8. On a personal note, I feel they should have just gotten rid of the 1.8 and the 7 speed dry clutch and went with the 2.0 engine and 6 speeder instead for all the lineups. This would at least solve 2 issues - the drastic car depreciation and restore consumer confidence. Think of the Passat 2.0 as the GTI but with a boot. This post has been edited by zweimmk: Nov 8 2016, 08:25 AM |
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Nov 8 2016, 11:15 AM
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Careful. they will bring in the GTE version next year with EEV incentive and demolish the 380 version resale value LOL
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Nov 8 2016, 07:33 PM
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virtual cockpit hnngghh
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Nov 8 2016, 10:18 PM
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hmm passat thread, but talking about mondeo.
New passat looks ok, a good value for money for the cockpit quality and finish. Can't comment on driving since this car does not interest me. Anyway for mondeo, lol even if they reduce it to 130k, most people will still buy a 2.0 accord/camry/japs over this crap mondeo. |
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Nov 9 2016, 01:16 AM
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Nov 9 2016, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 10:47 AM) Beige interiors are rather rare... they are only available on very few interior trims, sadly. I also prefer a beige interior, but not necessarily beige/white seats (because they do get dirty/colored easily... even by wearing jeans). Dark grey is much easier to maintain. Then again... if they preview the Passat with that car, it might have that interior...?Most Malaysians don't know about wet clutch dry clutch, for them all DSG are scary. So yes, the 2.0 may be more reliable, but will second hand buyers buy it? This post has been edited by kadajawi: Nov 9 2016, 03:24 AM |
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Nov 9 2016, 07:50 AM
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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Nov 9 2016, 03:23 AM) Beige interiors are rather rare... they are only available on very few interior trims, sadly. I also prefer a beige interior, but not necessarily beige/white seats (because they do get dirty/colored easily... even by wearing jeans). Dark grey is much easier to maintain. Then again... if they preview the Passat with that car, it might have that interior...? Many are aware of the more reliable wet clutch now. The 2nd hand value of the GTI is much stronger than all the dry clutch variants and yes, there is a demand.Most Malaysians don't know about wet clutch dry clutch, for them all DSG are scary. So yes, the 2.0 may be more reliable, but will second hand buyers buy it? |
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Nov 9 2016, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 9 2016, 07:50 AM) Many are aware of the more reliable wet clutch now. The 2nd hand value of the GTI is much stronger than all the dry clutch variants and yes, there is a demand. What's the expected 3 years second hand value of a Passat in terms of percentage depreciation? Possible to buy at 50% of the new price in 3 years?How much to allocate to maintain a wet clutch Passat a year which is out of warranty? |
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Nov 9 2016, 08:10 AM
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QUOTE(kluseng @ Nov 9 2016, 07:54 AM) What's the expected 3 years second hand value of a Passat in terms of percentage depreciation? Possible to buy at 50% of the new price in 3 years? The 7 speeders drop price a lot primarily due to 2 factors. How much to allocate to maintain a wet clutch Passat a year which is out of warranty? 1 - reliability issue 2 - the recent firesale by VGM before porsche salzburg took over - both owners and 2nd hand dealers are reeling by their throw price tactic to shed inventory So yes, it's possible to purchase a car at 50% of the new price within 3 to 4 years. Wet clutch will cost more, not sure how much more. Basic maintenance is sufficient unless you have been modding the car then wear and tear will surely be high. For the new passat, i expect the 1.8L variants to drop in price quite drastically within the first 3 years. Don't be surprised if they fire sale the 1.8L variant early if sales do not meet expectation. For the 2.0 passat, discounts would be like the gti, very very limited. |
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Nov 9 2016, 08:18 AM
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This car looks good man.
There are talks here in this thread about the Passat 2.0 being a GTI without a boot. In other words, this remark is implying that the Passat 2.0 is basically a GTI hatchback. Sure or not? No doubt the engine or all electronics may be based on the GTI but how about the suspension and steering tuning? There are reviews that the handling of this car cannot match the Mondeo and Mazda 6, and there is a "disconnected" feel with this car as mentioned in one motor review. Although this car may have good handling for a D-segment, I suppose by claiming that it has the performance of the GTI is perhaps stretching it a bit too far? THe power in acceleration ie. 0-100 km/h may be close to the GTI but handling and driving dynamics it is surely not a GTI hot hatch I reckon? |
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Nov 9 2016, 08:24 AM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 08:05 PM) Yes, that is certainly a valid point as I also tell my colleague the same thing. Not that he did not notice. There are hardly any Mondeo on the road. At least I have seen one or two Mondeos on the road for the past 1+ year, but my colleague did not see even a single Mondeo on the road yet, other than the one that is parked in the showroom. That is the main concern really, the rarity on the roads which means the response to this Mondeo is lukewarm. I agree, for the past 3 years, I have seen not more than 10 mondeo on the road. Morever, last time when sending my mondeo for service, hardly seen any other mondeo there as well, but there were two ford mustang.Nowadays economy is bad and less people are buying stuff and spending money, more so changing cars. Sales are bad and my colleague got texts from the salesman on the reduction in price for the Mondeo. I told him not to commit as the price will be reduced even further with this kind of economy. The passat itself is a nice car, couple with VW new 5 years nanufacturing warranty, it would be an attractive package. Now if only VW can give 5 years free service as Volvo and BMW.... |
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Nov 9 2016, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 7 2016, 08:05 PM) Yes, that is certainly a valid point as I also tell my colleague the same thing. Not that he did not notice. There are hardly any Mondeo on the road. At least I have seen one or two Mondeos on the road for the past 1+ year, but my colleague did not see even a single Mondeo on the road yet, other than the one that is parked in the showroom. That is the main concern really, the rarity on the roads which means the response to this Mondeo is lukewarm. Another car in the same league is Infinity Q50 GT 2.0 turbo with enough power to satisfy. 0-100 km/h claimed 7.2 sec. Pricey at RM240K but there should be good discount. Japanese reliability but spare parts may be as worrying as Mondeo with so few cars on the road.Nowadays economy is bad and less people are buying stuff and spending money, more so changing cars. Sales are bad and my colleague got texts from the salesman on the reduction in price for the Mondeo. I told him not to commit as the price will be reduced even further with this kind of economy. |
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