mind explaining why it sucks?

im looking for an upgrade for my gtx770, and the rx580 price n specs look good, and one more thing because i just bought a monitor with amd freesync

It sucks because theres little difference in performance compared to rx 480, consume more power than than rx 480, yet slower than GTX 1070 which priced about the same as rx 580..

You are better of getting just RX 470 and overclock it a little to match rx 480 stock if you play on 1080p and be done with it.

RX580 only increasement 5% performance from rx480 by power consumption increase 20%.
In US, RX580 cheaper than RX480, in malaysia RX480 dropped RM50, but RX580 expensive than RX480 bout RM200.
Roughly RM150 to get an RX580 nitro+ (Best clock speed), better top up some to Fury X which better performance or go more to used/new GTX1070.

For a 2 years old tech which rebrand, its not worth at all ....
RX580 is about 60fps to current 1080p maximum setting, after 1 or 2 years? Can it still handle?

I will go to RX570 4gb RM960 which possible chance overclock better clock speed than rx480, which only 5% performance lower, if only willing targeting on current 1080p gaming.

In conculsion, RX580 not a real sweet point.

Eh, less than 1 year old la. Polaris was released after mid of last year.

Improvement in speed is good but 10% is too little for the power draw increase.

Card is great, price is bad, in Malaysia at least.

Did you use aftermarket 480 for performance and reference 480 power consumption for comparison?

Aftermarket 480 is oc one, need hit 1440mhz very hard.
580 is oced 480, can hit nearly 1500mhz easily.
For this line rx480/rebranded rx580, increase bit of performance by consume much more power, in result, performance/watt drops.

P/S price expensive 30% than US as New Zealand, i'm ok at all ~ because currency well... But malaysia? expensive everything and low currency = sucks

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 28 2017, 06:59 PM

I feel your pain mang

You said it consumed 20% more power, is that compared to reference 480 or from new 185w TDP of RX580 vs 150w 480?

From Toms review 580 Nitro power consumption is similar to 480 Nitro when gaming.



Performance difference is larger when using game that actually optimized.

This was against MSI RX-480 Armor OC clocked at @1300mhz, not crappy 480 with reference cooler.

Also like i mentioned before, RX580 default voltage is higher, you can always undervolt it.
I once downvolted my old 290x at -75mV while giving is a slight bump in core clock to 1060mhz(1040mhz) and memory clock to 1500mhz(1250mhz) while consumed less power compare to stock setting.

This post has been edited by Acid_RuleZz: Apr 28 2017, 11:14 PM

This is from tweaktown (3D marks and Metro Light). Yours from tomshardware (gaming and tortune).
Tourtune test in tom's hardware result more power consumption than rx 480 nitro.

If tweaktown is true, 27w~37w increase just for a gpu is not a performace/watt choice. Anyway, the performace/watt oledi lose to gtx1060 long time ago @@

Who's right? I dunno

If there's no increase of power consumption, its great, actually, even there is increase of 30w average, wont hurt u tnb bill so much per year @@
If really willing for save tnb bill, just go to gtx 1060 @@
But still i wont happy, RM200 from nitro 480 to nitro 580, price increase 20% to get u 5% overall performance increase, 10% for game optimization.

I prefer direct measurement instead of "total system".

Also i don't understand, they tested it with Ryzen R5-1600x?


But at OC and Power page they said

And their Power Consumption graph show the card averaging(?) ~280watts at stock? with stock Ryzen R5-1600x system?


But their Ryzen R5 review show R5-1600x system use similar power to i7-7700k system?



They mentioned midrange card and adjust their test system for "midrange build" but wiling to waste their time to test on 4k, 5k and even 8k resolution when giving more insight about the card frame time performance at 1080p/1440p is more valuable info to viewers/readers.

IIRC, Toms torture test = Furmark and gaming test = Metro:LL@4K. Like i mentioned few pages back..that's what i learnt when i'm still using 290x, i think it still apply to Polaris line up.

Agreed. But i need some explain, gaming in tom's is according to what game?
Because there is quiet weird that gaming maintain almost nothisng sifferent power consumption but the tortune which is benchmark give a noticeable different.
As common, i know that a benchamrk may push a gpu as hard as possible, is it possible that the power consumption under gaming in tomb's for game which not really gpu intensive?

Actually, is it worth to have a RX580? Its depends on different ppl different need, different choice.
I feel sucks, just because of improvement performace lightly from rebrand, consume more power if utilize?, the most i care is pricey more 20%

Just for my 2 cent of logical, i may getting a used/new GTX 1070 or RM1650 fury-x over a RM1550 nitro+ RX 580.
If i'm in condition of tight budget, why not i just choose better value of nitro pulse RX570 4gb which possible oc higher clock than rx480 by oc.

AMD card power consumption varies depend on BIOS and chip binning<- this doesnt apply to nvidia as well?

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 02:29 AM

RX 580 has no reference model, however I've used RX 480 reference model.

Power draw really is estimated to be around 20% increase.

Gaming = Metro:LL@4K
Torture = Furmark

Of course 580 will use more power in Furmark since it have higher clock speed and higher voltage, i think that model they tested run at 1450mhz.

Yeah the price sucks, bought my 980 Ti 10 months ago for RM1.6k new.

I don't think Nvidia binned their chip anymore since Pascal and BIOS power limit is higher on some higher end card but most of them have similar power limit, with GPU Boost 3.0 and good cooling all of them will consume similar power at max boost speed.

That's the thing, reference 480 got nerfed to fix the "PCIE power issue". Use aftermarket 480 then power consumption gap will narrow or diminish.

is there any rx 580 undervolt review other than AdoredTV?

I think you're missing the point, RX 480 was designed to be under 150W whether reference or custom, it's just that some custom models draw a little more.

RX 580 on the other hand was designed to be at 180W right from the start, whether reference or custom. However for RX 580 there is no reference design. So meaning actual one (custom) will be drawing 180W onwards. Sapphire model comes with 2x PCI-E power connector.

I read a comment before, the comment is against something bout a thread starter which stated that ati tflops > nvidia, its should better than nvidia => Game developer who didn't optimization is wrong.

The one who comment stated himself is one of big company game developer who if field about 20 years, admit ati is more future proof and futher tech than nvidia, but's the tflops better doesnt result better performance, due to many kind of problem, include coding which how to optimization performance of ati arch should be. Till today, they still in hard for optimization to get fully ati potential, but unfortunately, they still cannot handle well, even vulkan tech is still try getting optimization for gaming.

From analysis of several comment or review, i more to believe AMD got better arch and tech etc, hopefully their hardwork is granted, and make a real king which can compete Nvidia @@

Its kinda a sad that a gundam which more powerful but sucks OS installed XD

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 02:41 PM

Deswai Mobile Suit needs Alaya-Vijnana system!

Anyway yes, AMD tech is awesome.

Seriously, look at the APU - even by today's standard it has so many untapped potential.

But in the end, no matter how much potential gundam got, a lower performance mobile suit with supported by Dainslef kicked its ass XD
That's the cruel of reality =w= (lmiling to nvidia)

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 03:13 PM

Am i? Who cares what the card power limit is design for, what matters is the real power consumption no?
Can you try run 580 vs 480 at similar clock speed and voltage?

In the end RX-580(Polaris 20) is the same RX-480(Polaris 10) but with improved manufacturing process so it could reach higher clock speed.

I posted this awhile back, good video showing one of the reason why Nvidia card have stellar DX11 performance.



Another Nvidia secret sauce is Tiled Based Rendering which enabled since Maxwell, one of the reason why Kepler(700 series) got left behind in driver department.

Both video is interesting in analysis @@ love it =w= cause i also learn a bit by a bit whats going on of gpu cpu arch.

If 1st video's statement is true, then can explain why nvidia and amd gpu got a gap under ryzen, but not intel =w=

2nd video analysis effieciency of nvdia compared to step by step of ati
Its remind me somekind like painting one layer by one layer =w=

I would more prefer to latter, feel not curi malas by doing well done, but confirm that its not efficiency for current generation.

For conclusion, its not about who's arch is more future proof, its just a matter of right decision of vision in right time under right support, will result achievement.

Same as in history, that r rumors that wright brothers is not the 1st who design the plane, but they r successful make a able-flight plane.

This post has been edited by eDwanD: Apr 29 2017, 04:16 PM