ok will ask around and discuz with my dad.

Hi everybody,
I read this site by accident and I am really surprise that you guys must read more about GSD. Let me give you guys some tips before buying a GSD.
1. According to the god father of GSD, Von Stephanitz, all GSD are breed as working dog.

2. Always ask to look at the puppy parent before buying the puppy. You will get a better picture how your dog will turn out to be. If the parent has some schutzhund titles you are almost sure of getting a dream dog else you might be getting a bad deal.

3. If someone claims to be a good trainer/breeder, ask he/she how many years has he been training dogs and very very important question, ask what seminars/competition has he participate. Did he/she win anything?

4. If possible, try attenting some training seminars before buying a dog. You will never regret it.

5. Always remember that you buy a dog to protect you and your family. The temperament is very important, look always come last.

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Added on August 26, 2009, 11:03 pmHi Logan,

Can you tell me where can I get the Rhodesian Ridgeback?

This post has been edited by Jesstin: Aug 26 2009, 11:03 PM

and may i knw who r u referring to?
i think most of us here do knw the basic of seeing the parent b4 dealing, right?

Hi,

glad to have someone here that have experience on gsd. as for temperement and nerve, that is very important just so one does not get a burden in years to come. but i beg to defer because if look come last, then one do not need to get a gsd maybe a mali, rott or etc. as for ppl that thinks a dog is to protect you and your family, you are right but only to a certain extent. i have always said, my dogs are only used as determent for the robbers so they would not climb into my house but to let me dogs attack a man with a weapon in hand, i will not let my 'best friend' go near the robber. i love them too much to even take that the chance. as for working breed, gsd are very adaptable i would say. for example herding, search, protection, companion and etc. any pics to share?

looks to me like just a different opinion, is personal preference anyway. i always insist buy one dog treat it well and it will treat u well, if u wan handsome or pretty pay more.

I agree with sirisaac. I wouldn't let my dog near a robber if they have a weapon. As long as they can scare off robbers or strangers then I am happy.
My dog is part of my family and I would never let them get hurt.

as for looks, different people have different taste. I know some who don't like GSDs because they are ugly. But I think they are extremely macho.

lol, i agree with u!

i guess we are all on the same page. gsd rules..................lol

I think everybody should love their dog but to what extent? If you guys really like a first hand look at some GSD lovers, please go to Ipoh when the schutzhund competition take place.

These people bring their dog to the highest level possible the dog can acheive. They will eat, sleep, play and train with their dog.

They will tell you what a GSD look like and I can tell you only a handful of trainers/breeders dare to go to this gathering. Only the real GSD will be there.

Try to talk people who take part in schutzhund competition and you will know why you can confused yourself with working and so called showline dog.

every year there will be a big event in germany which is the sieger show. that is for showline and sch will be done there. i know wusv is also hold yearly in germany but that doesnt mean that only wusv is the highest level. in showline, sieger show is the highest event internationally. i believe it is not whether anyone dare to go to that extend, it is only the question of interest. for example some people like drifting with their car and some like rallying with their car. it all comes down to personal interest. i understand you prefer working line but let me leave you with a question, how many people are able to keep a highly packed energy dogs with high drive at home? how many people that buy working line are able to train their dog to a reasonable level and also attend competition? for those that loves gsd looks, average energy level and nice nerve- there is always showline. lastly when Von Stephanitz mention that gsd is a working breed that is 100 years ago when dachsund is still hunting badger, bull mastiff is hunting bear and rough collie is herding dog. this all has changed. where to find so many badger and fox to hunt? working line and showline people always have different perception but they all comes from one dog. the gsd scene is very small in malaysia now, put all differences aside and love the breed.

since u guys r greatly informative in each line, does any of u knw any idea of mixing this two line? cuz some says its not good but some says after they breed the result is great. i dunno about that. but me myself i like both line, but not so like mixing the line. cuz jz incase it might bring genetic problem. so any comment on this?

This post has been edited by Ah_Chuan: Aug 27 2009, 11:57 PM

Hi ah chuan,

in a lot of countries, breeder have try mixing both lines already. no problem whatsoever at all unless the parents have problem themselves la. but to mix, you need to be expert to know the outcome and also what is the probability and percentage of what you are expecting. no one have achieved the best in both world yet. but i guess in many years to come we could. for example in sieger show, a working line dog could be entered for placing and in wusv, the showline could also compete. the foreigner are slowly narrowing the gap which is good. who knows maybe i would show a working line dog with great structure and movement in the future. and someone might compete with a showline with great working ability.

cool, if that happend sure everybody is happy.

In Germany, all GSD that are selected for breeding must have a schutzhund title regardless working or showline. This is the standard set by the German to assure that their GSD are of the very high standard.

In Germany, the showline dog must also have a schutzhund title before they are allow to enter for their national competition. That's quality control.

The top Malaysian showline GSDs have never compete in Germany until today because we never impose this standard on the breeder. They can only produced nice looking dog but not always sound. That's greed.

The Malaysian working line GSD have competed not only in Germany but around the world. These few selected breeders only go for quality dogs.

A good quality showline dog must come fr a parent that have some schutzhund title. So don't be fool by greedy breeders.

sound like u know lots of thing on gsd competition n stuff.. how abt u? u have any gsd? or u went to join those competition before? or u a a gsd breeder?

ya, if u hv a GSD pls do post up some photos to share with us.

Hi Guys,

Every breeders/trainers can claim they have so so number of years in breeding and training GSD. They always said they have the best dog but they don't have time for competition. These are all liar.

A good breeder/trainer is judge by the number of title (schutzhund for GSD) and experience in training not by number of dogs he breed.

Most to MKA showline GSD is breed for show ring only. Most of them do not possesses mental stability, trust, confidence and fearless. This is one of the reason why they cannot compete in Germany.

I just want you guys not to be cheated by these people and put more stray dogs in the street. Don't buy a Benz with a proton engine.

Hi,

i truly understand your strong working line mentality. now please open up your mind and let me say a few things which i hope you can slowly digest.

A good breeder/trainer is judge by the number of title (schutzhund for GSD) and experience in training not by number of dogs he breed.
in working line point of view which is your point is correct. no shame about that. but for show line, if you have a dogs that bite very well but do not move fluently and have nice anatomy they will not do well too so do you understand now? i never meant to be rude but this age old arguement with working line and showline has been going on in every country.

Most to MKA showline GSD is breed for show ring only. Most of them do not possesses mental stability, trust, confidence and fearless. This is one of the reason why they cannot compete in Germany.
ok, i dont know how long you havent been in showring but most of the dogs are imported from germany have already completed their ad,bh, sch some ipo in their country. i dare not say for all showline breeder because there is always some bad apples same as in working line. do you dare to guarantee a working line gsd will not have weak nerve? do you dare to guarantee that all working line are to be fearless like you mentioned? i guess you know the answer to that. coming back to this, all gsd imported from germany with pink pedigree means that the parents are both titled. white pedigree means one or both parents are not titles. so please dont pick on those that want to improve the breed and kill us all.

Lastly i dont understand why you want to end the post with buying a benz with proton engine. are you telling me that by buying a ferrari but parking in garage and let it rot is much better? (keeping a high energy dog locked up all day or only teaching him sit and stay) we all know sch is not the only sport in msia now. there is agility for gsd lovers too. my feeling is agility is as great as sch. i quoted your word "pushing them to the highest level". not to pick a fight here with you, just want you to broader your views on this age old debate on working and show. there is nothing you and i can do about it. just pick your poison ( working or show) then go have fun with them.

well, sometimes v hv to c the needs of some people. in malaysia, not all GSD owner love or interested in competition. some needs GSD for home/ factory guarding, some need them as oni companion, n some for hobby. and for some owner, feels like dun hv the need to train them until like military dog. so this thing is up to personal interest. for example, some people felt driving PROTON is enough for them, dun hv the need to drve a BENZ.
of cuz its good to train them to their maximum potential. but mayb some owner dun like to waste tat extra $, or they fells like obedience training is enough. or some places dun hv dog training center. but then they might import dogs from german and breed them over here base on their hobby. then u cant say their puppy is not quality, right? for me i would like my GSD to hv these training, but i live in kelantan how can i 5 a dog training center here?
dun even say the competition. if cat or fish or bird then here has alot. but not dog. so wat i can do is to train them obedience training loh. more over wat my family need is energy of show line. cuz if working line scared v canot cope up with its highly energy.

This post has been edited by Ah_Chuan: Aug 28 2009, 06:20 PM