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German Shepards sweat and stink like crap in Malaysia, they are cold climate dogs

every year there will be a big event in germany which is the sieger show. that is for showline and sch will be done there. i know wusv is also hold yearly in germany but that doesnt mean that only wusv is the highest level. in showline, sieger show is the highest event internationally. i believe it is not whether anyone dare to go to that extend, it is only the question of interest. for example some people like drifting with their car and some like rallying with their car. it all comes down to personal interest. i understand you prefer working line but let me leave you with a question, how many people are able to keep a highly packed energy dogs with high drive at home? how many people that buy working line are able to train their dog to a reasonable level and also attend competition? for those that loves gsd looks, average energy level and nice nerve- there is always showline. lastly when Von Stephanitz mention that gsd is a working breed that is 100 years ago when dachsund is still hunting badger, bull mastiff is hunting bear and rough collie is herding dog. this all has changed. where to find so many badger and fox to hunt? working line and showline people always have different perception but they all comes from one dog. the gsd scene is very small in malaysia now, put all differences aside and love the breed.

seriously been looking at the previous page n on those debate u guys going on...jesstin i think u r running around the bush,
there's lots of thing i wanna comment but im too lazy to write it out..
ur words doesn't make sense...

Hi,

finally i am back from my holiday and back to this boring life. i will try to post in a shorter post hoping that you will understand. i dont know where you heard from ( maybe from some old retired breeder) that mat salleh will not sell their best dogs. if everyone keep thinking like that then might as well buy locally. in order to improve , you have to broader your mindset. develop a relationship with certain germans breeder and gain inroad faster.  the exchange rate to euro is 1 to 5 so what is the meaning of paying peanut?? you need to realize we msian can only buy to our limit. a 10k euro with sch title is acceptable for me but a 30k euro is totally out of my way ( even if i have the money) i cannot spend 150k RM on a dog. i think my family will kill me. as for high energy and high drive, i think everyone here understand that a high drive dog is also not suitable to be a  house pet. imagine- holes, biting of your car, dead garden, noise and etc if not work enough. lastly i think you are contradicting yourselves in below post.

When you buy a GSD puppy, make sure the parent have schutzhund title.  People who breed showline GSD, know very well their breeding might not stand the test in schutzhund because the main and desirable characteristics are not there.  A dog that can't move fluently and don't have a nice anatomy can't enter for schutzhund trail.

These characteristics also lacking in most working line GSD.  Don't be fool and think all working line GSDs have it. Their parent too must have some schutzhund title.

Sorry if i offended anyone. got to go catch up on the sieger show results. will post the results here.

have you even have a high drive gsd before? or have you even have a dog before? all the reading from the book or internet is not helping at all here. first you come into this thread and keep telling everyone that working line is the best gsd now, you telling everyone not all working line have characteristis of proper gsd. isnt it the same with showline, only the good ones will have nice drives and anatomy and gait. lol. what i am trying to make you understand is DO NOT GENERALIZE ALL GSD PPL.

some update of my kennel (after plastering)
later will b painting progress.
my dad said inside dunwan put marble woh. cuz wana put wood.(the wood below will be some brick to jet up the wood from the floor)

seriously,. jesstin, if u come here just to argue abt how well u know gsd.. then u can gtfo..
and i dont know wat kind of "drive" u r in.. but i can tell u that u r DRIVING ppl to get more frustrated over here..
i dont mind if u come n discuss on a proper manner but when u first come in.. u r trying to say everyone here is a lousy gsd owner n blablabla.. seriously, maybe u should re-evaluate urself on ur manner first..

a lot more va, v or sg males in germany goes to 100k euros and more. the biggest and most aggresive buyer is from china now. they bought in a lot of good dogs. as for mating the males after 2 years and females only after 2 heats is all a big misconception. males can mate even at 12 months but we dont mate and female can mate after 1st heat but we also dont do it because females at first or 2nd heat are still consider young or minor. they need to be physical and mentally prepared to be a mom. as for males, in germany they are only allowed to mate after 2 years is because of the hips and regulations. normally after 2 years only we can determine if there is hip or elbow issues. but for my rules of thumb, i can only mate my dogs after 20 months for both sex. morally accepted for me la. sorry for my long winding post, gsd is truly my main interest ma.

jesstin,

it is a known fact for many here including gid that in germany dogs have to be sch before mating. the above post was really aiming solely on hip and elbow only so no need to bring up the sch thing. So no one is trying to misled anyone. as for breeding to make money, how many people can really make profit from a litter ?? if you know integrity. as for breeding dogs for mentally fit but the dog itself look so ugly might as well neuter the dog. I am saying the physical has to be acceptable and the mental has to be acceptable too 50/50.as for china buying sch3 dogs, please double check on the fact. young dogs as young as 3 months are being bought for crazy amount. no need sch also can command high prices. and as for china selling dogs to malaysia, i dont know if this is good or bad. there are many more countries that we can buy from. as for china ppl, you should see the dogs that they buy before MISLED ppl here too. NOT ALL are even sch. and as for germany still producing the best gsd, you can relook into the sieger book, a big number is from italy and belgium now. the trend is changing. so unless the sv and wusv work something out soon. you will see the annual held in italy bigger than germany. i hope this is not a showline and working line quarrel again.

Hi Jesstin,

Alright, I going to try my best not to turn this into a debate of age long senseless showline and working line issues. firstly, let me ask you a simple questions and in no way i am trying to belittle you.

Do you sincerely believe a dog only need to be mentally fit 100% but the look can be 0%??
Do you know anything about breeding to improve standard? It is not as simple as using a sch 3 males and sch3 females and you get what you want 100% of the time??


Ok, now to answer some of you posts. Every countries is the same as China, because we only pay high prices for what we like it is just that they have bigger spending power now compare to Malaysian. I know you keep saying that only working line managed to go to wusv in Germany and I am proud of them too but are you the one? Workingline is a lot of hardwork and training then you can participate in wusv. But showline is a confirmation show. No matter how many hardwork you put in, confirmation is still first unlike working line. That is why we keep buying germany imports to boost the level here. This is the reason why but I assure we are definetely aiming to send a dog there for top honors and no loss face for Malaysian.

Lastly for you info, we managed to set up a Gsd club in Malaysia that is afflliated to Mka just recently. There is planning to invite judges, show learning abroad, sending a msian bred dog abroad and etc. there will be collaboration with working line ppl by working towards a sound show dogs in training together and all. See, we are trying our best to improve the breed and also bring more new blood in, so what about you? Any initiative? As for breeding NON winning dogs, I agreed with you. But Look into the few previous MKA Berita Anjing and you will see me and my dogs pics. I think I posted here too. Dont be offended or anything afterall this is a forum for sharing.

P:S: As for the Kiasu comment on males competition, I will explain on that later. that is a even more interesting topics. Stay Tuned.

hi,

btw, where is this jesstin? i am hoping for some advises or guidances.

Jesstin,

I guess you must really must be in your own world. Away from reality. First of all, showring is in public. So you are wrong once again. And running around in circle as you called it is the way the dogs are judges anywhere in this world. Even in Westminister show. In your workingline, they run in field that is the way it goes. You talk as if you got experience and all but it seems you got nothing to back it up. First you said training, now you say train correctly. Why all the running around the bush? Stop turning round and round as i am really tired of answering your post. But I am sure in all breed there are always so called `empty tin`. Enough of the talk and let your action counts. i can inform you the next meeting for you to voice your concern. You can do whatever you want, but plsss do something.  I dont want to sound rude or anything but i have seen too much people like that. they complaint and complaint and choose to wait and see. Later when the club is successful they join the bandwagon. i hope you are not like that.

jesstin,

simple,i can answer your question very easily. Come see them yourself instead of hearing me out. Then you tell me, am i breeding better or backward? I am always open to critiques. Last time i will be explaining, my game is showring. You can enter your dog there and we can see too. ACTION SPEAKS. Since you ask me so many question that i did answer, let me ask you a simple question: dont twist and turn on this, pls.

Do you keep a dog that can sit and bark on command and etc but the dog is just downright ugly? what is the point of keeping then, might as well go adopt a mongrel from SPCA and not gsd. I think this hit the main point. Wouldl love to hear your comment.

P:S, You coming to voice your grave concern in our next meeting? or you can bring along your friend too. Action speaksssss

shankar,

i am glad we have more members that is willing to contribute. But let me get this straight for you. This is to further prove gsd is not only nice in showring  but also on field. so this is really to get a 50/50 balance. it is not that show ppl dont care about training, this is the requirement for the ring so now we need to make changes. how do we make changes you might ask? first of al, it is by gathering ppl from all lines and push into breed survey, sch and ob. if we cannot work on this, then we will still be divided. look in those germany sv show, they have working line in it and the wusv also have showline. if they can work together, we not us?? is it because we are just to defensive on your lines??

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Added on April 5, 2010, 8:51 pmshankar, i pm you my number.

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Added on April 5, 2010, 8:55 pm

Check your fact. gsd is breed for herding in the first place. Maybe you can let me know some of your details then i can ask around and see if anyone knows you. Thanks

arwc,

glad to have someone that understand current showline.

wp188,

i am doing great. just busy with work and the pups. solid food is really messy so have to clean and wipe everywhere after they eat. 3 times a day. lol. i see a few potential ones. so i guess the new owners will have a hard time choosing.

gid,

for sure i will take some pics for you. too bad you cant join. our own msia judge Mr Tan Oo Hock will be judging. He is also a gsd guy. but you dont get to see many gsd in sg show. mainly small breed.

Jesstin,

Finally you are talking some sense. So i guess it is agreed that not just working line is fit for sch and ob trail, showline are equally good for it. Now we come back to quality and showline evolution in msia. First of all, we do have sg or v rated showline back in the days but not at the amount we have now. Many years ago this sg or v rated dogs belong to rich msian but now any average income ppl with passion for it can compete in shows. Studs are available here. We have their breed survey report to view due to internet german translation now. I dont know what you are used to last time but we need to move forward and quit whining. And most importantly, these showring gsd that you see are previously competing in europe before arriving here. And some are highly placed too. So this contradict your statement again. Now to answer you why no improvement previously, do you know how long this gsd chapter have been empty or inactive already?? This gsd msia only manage to gain momentum a few months ago due to a group of gsd lovers. We wants to implement breed survey, gun test, sch and etc. That is why we got working line people to sit in as well. Mr Azman is in, if you know him since you said you are working line too. If there is not sincerity, then why all the trouble?

I have been asking you for your details many times now. But you didnt pm or even post your details here. You can let me know which club you said you trained for or your name and location. This is not to belittle you or anything, this is to gather as many gsd ppl we have to move forward. With all your post above, you are really not helping but only giving out what we can read from any gsd website. So the meeting is on 17th, you can still voice out now. It seems that workingline msia went to compete in Wusv but it seems they did not complete it too. And it is not really hard to send dogs to germany sv ring, both parent must be sch and hip/elbow xray only. we want to COMPLETE in 1st ring NOT just participation. This is my opinion. Look at China now, they have Germany best dogs but yet they are NOT sending dogs to compete in sv ring. They are surely rich ppl so money is not a problem. This comes back to years of history germans have on breeding. Italy and France is slowly sending their homegrown dogs to germany now. But this is not after many trial and errors. Showring is not just running around in circle like you think. you think millions of people paid big money to watch westminister show to JUST see dogs running in circle?? I hope you will try to think for a while before posting again and not let whoever cloud your judgement on TODAY 'S CURRENT SHOWLINE GSD.