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 APPLE PAY IN MALAYSIA, Official arrives in Malaysia! Aug 2022!

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post Jul 24 2022, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(jacktooandroid @ Jul 24 2022, 11:48 AM)
I know this was a pretty old reply at this point but thought of sharing some info that I have read.

1. "Terminal dont need to have 'AP' category to accept AP."
From what I understand, this is mostly true. Similar to many other countries, Malaysia has a threshold amount for Contactless payment (MYR250) which not require Cardholder Verification (PIN, Signature, etc.). As such, for payments below the threshold amount, physical Apple Pay (AP) transactions should be processed similar to the Contactless Payments we have had for may years now without issue. Based on my experience using AP with UK cards here in convenience stores, it has been the case.

2. "There is no additional settings to add or change in existing terminals"
Further to Point 1, in the case of purchases above the threshold amount, Apple and other wallets such as Google Pay do support a newer Cardholder Verification Method (CVM) called the Consumer Device Cardholder Verification Method (CDCVM). From what I have found online, the Card Terminal Machine, Merchant's Acquirer, and Payment Networks (Visa, Mastercard, and AMEX) all have to enable CDCVM in order for the CDCVM flag passed out by AP (or other wallets) to be recognised as a valid CVM.

CDCVM is part of the latest Contactless Specifications published by the major Payment Networks (VCPS, PayPass, ExpressPay). As such, by the word "updating" mentioned by other forumers, I hope that it means the financial institutions in Malaysia is enabling CDCVM throughout the card payment network chain to prepare for a better AP experience.

While there is no explicit "AP" category, I reckon the said term may have been used to refer to CDCVM support.

3. "AP is the same as you tapping your CC just that your CC info is digitize into AP that's all"
Generally, for mobile wallets to "present" a card for payment, there are 2 main methods:
a. Pure Host Card Emulation (HCE); and
b. HCE with Tokenisation

The difference between the two methods would be the use of Tokenisation. Based on Apple's documents, AP do make use of tokenisation which is why the Device Account Number and the Actual Account Number is different. As such, AP from my understanding is more than just digitalising the card (which I interpret as pure HCE; where the device presents the physical card as is).

All in all, I hope that when AP do launch in Malaysia, CDCVM could be ready in places with high transaction value (electronic shops, certain restaurants, etc.) to maximise the use of AP.

Please note that the above are purely based on my understanding and please do perform your own due-diligences before relying on the above information. I am neither a payments expert nor do I work in the payments industry.

Some links I could remember:
https://www.pps.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/...DCVM-Primer.pdf
https://www.visa.co.uk/dam/VCOM/global/supp...rd-products.pdf
https://chyp.com/2015/07/15/high-value-in-apple-pay/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/hce-tokeniza...mfs-specialist/
https://smartpaymentassociation.com/index.p...-final-pdf/file
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Then it's correct then, AP runs on the same way that SP does, just local cards is still not supporting AP, the microcode update has to be already pushed to all local terminals cause if not, how would foreigners/singaporeans use AP while AP is not available locally at all.
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post Jul 25 2022, 03:11 AM

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QUOTE(KaiHD @ Jul 24 2022, 06:07 PM)
clarification:

the problem with AP in Malaysia is purely because currently there is no connection between bank and Apple servers to support when a user tries to add card to AP, unlike with SP. once a card is added to AP, to the merchant it appears the same as if it’s an AP user or SP user or contactless

terminals that already support contactless don’t require a code update for users to use AP. it can support AP the same way it supports contactless cards. it can support high value purchases already, just that user still needs to enter PIN after tapping if purchase is above RM 250

the code update the forumer is talking about is just to allow contactless payments above RM 250 without requiring PIN at all if the user is using AP - basically AP is telling the merchant/bank no need to ask for PIN because user is already verified through Touch/Face ID
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Ah makes sense then, misunderstood the former part. Ty for the clarification hmm.gif
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post Aug 1 2022, 01:43 AM

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Just a heads up on the iOS update to push AP function, just updated to 16 PB2 like 2 hours ago and still nothing, if I had to guess it’ll probably be a microcode OTA that enables it for phones that has the Malaysia region settings as alluded to before.
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post Aug 1 2022, 02:45 AM

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QUOTE(PoisonSoul @ Aug 1 2022, 02:25 AM)
Maybe you are right on there’s maybe a OTA for AP launch but they can even do it without the OTA if they really want it.
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Not like software OTA but just phoning home OTA, if you get what I mean
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post Aug 1 2022, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(cyxnide @ Aug 1 2022, 11:10 AM)
ahh that makes sense, but wouldn't software update mean it will be 15.6.1 already?

Edit : Just read your previous comments, maybe they'll do one without an OS version update, don't think just enable AP will warrant another iOS version.
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Exactly what I meant, pushing AP with another iOS update seems unlikely.
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post Aug 1 2022, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Jasilu90 @ Aug 1 2022, 11:25 AM)
Just saw it from Txxtter⋯
I don't know why he is so sure
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Just pulling stuff out of his mouth by himself I guess? Apple Cash can’t be available outside of the US that easily, firstly, Apple Cash card is provided by Green Dot bank, and without SSN verification it’s useless. And if apple wants to push Apple Cash in other countries other than US, they’ll have to partner with other banks in other countries. Even in Canada Apple Cash isn’t available, so idk what this guy was smoking to expect Apple Cash to be available in Malaysia. Anyone can activate Apple Cash in the wallet app by switching region to the US and switching back to any other region afterwards.
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post Aug 1 2022, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(zoixc @ Aug 1 2022, 11:42 AM)
especially recently got another IOS update , 15.6
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I’m currently on 16 PB 2, so if AP is really coming in the next two weeks, another PB update for the MY region seems unlikely..

QUOTE(cyxnide @ Aug 1 2022, 11:45 AM)
This, and if they do what about those on iOS 16 PB, would they get the same thing?

inb4 they include AP for Malaysia in the iOS 16 release
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Oh god, if that’s the case then it’ll only be official during Apples next keynote 😅
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post Aug 1 2022, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(zoixc @ Aug 1 2022, 11:54 AM)
dont know how they gonna push it out haha,

next apple keynote in august meh ?
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Should just be an update to Apple Wallet and the next apple keynote should be in Sept along with the announcement of 14 series.
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post Aug 1 2022, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(The1stHumanBeing @ Aug 1 2022, 09:55 PM)
Nope, not those remittance services. Like a Starbucks gift card but visa prepaid. Give some likes and I would share later. 😆

Warning, it’s long text tho
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Being able to be an early adopter? Sign me up! And with crypto as well, which should make things easier thumbup.gif
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post Aug 1 2022, 10:47 PM

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Wow this is more involved than I thought, but if you really want to experience AP I guess that really is the only way..
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post Aug 3 2022, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(Jasilu90 @ Aug 3 2022, 11:43 AM)
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I dont think so 🫣
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Idk why you’re still reading into this guy’s tweet, anyone anywhere can enable Apple Cash by switching your iPhone to US region and turn it on. Mind you it won’t be working cause you’ll need SSN verification with a real picture of an American ID. After activating it, switch your region back to anywhere and then turn off Apple Cash and everything related to Apple Cash will be turned off. If it’s not in Canada first it’s probably not going anywhere. A lot of stuff that is made for the US market will get to Canada first as they’re literally separated by one single border, basically, if it’s not coming to Canada after US, don’t expect it to be in other countries, especially not Malaysia.
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post Aug 3 2022, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Aug 3 2022, 01:31 PM)
I don't quite understand your question.
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I think he's asking how does the actual M2U/MAE app works with AP? But if I'm not wrong this is the Wallet app with the Maybank card right? Cause it doesn't look like how Apple Pay would look like when used with NFC.


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post Aug 3 2022, 03:45 PM

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I don't really understand the amount of skepticism with nokia2003's posts in this thread, or anyone that has prior access to AP in Malaysia to begin with. It's like yeah it might not happen, it has happened before in this thread, but will you really lose anything to believe in them? It's not like your life depends on it anyway, if it doesn't happen then we'll have to wait, it's already been a while and waiting a little bit longer doesn't seem that hard to do now is it? And also some users here can believe and not believe at the same time? It's just like "Wow! Finally new update on the function!", and next minute it goes "Yeah the track record of you ain't great." , like if they say it's gonna come then just wait then, why put on all this skepticism on someone that delivers the news here (with reputation as well), and not like twitter, where the source is just "Trust me bro it's real". Questions doesn't equal to skepticism I know that, but there's some genuine skepticism in some users here that has popped up posting last month to this month ish.
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post Aug 3 2022, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(lowkelvin @ Aug 3 2022, 04:15 PM)
I can understand you because I also have this disappointment a lot

Since last year, we were being told Apple Pay will available when Q4 2021.
It's keep changing to be Q1 2022, then Q2 2022, then Q3 2022
We have being "lied" so many times.

What make the different between past and now?
We have detailed like screenshots, banks name,
and also a launching date precise up to "second week of August 2022".
Sure I will wait for it.

Even thought this is fake news again,
I will still put my hope for the next rumour until we Malaysian finally get Apple Pay.
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I get your disappointment, but do you lose anything while being "lied" to? And what do they gain from "lying" to you? They're just the one that delivers inside information, what are they to do anything when their inside information changes? Nothing except telling the ones that are waiting, the bad news. All us techies are excited for AP to finally be in Malaysia, but being skeptical towards them and not towards the ones that are approving the higher ups decision of whether allowing AP to be implemented. They're just the testers, they deliver what they know and what they've been told. It's not their fault at the end of the day that it doesn't materialize, it's *cough* Malaysian higher ups *cough*. So if it doesn't come this time, then next time it is, no biggie. Don't blame them for the failure, they're only the ones that delivers insider news, not the ones approving whether it gets implemented in local FIs.

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post Aug 4 2022, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Aug 3 2022, 09:54 PM)
You are spot on. Everything is open to conjecture.

By the way, I’m not a tester per se. I was asked if I wanted to be part of the pilot, and being a massive geek, I agreed without any hesitation! smile.gif
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Good to know! Too bad I couldn't get such a chance, would've love to take it if I was given it also
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post Aug 4 2022, 03:18 PM

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Tried it with Apple Cash and it’s getting undeniably close (granted that it doesn’t work), excited!
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post Aug 4 2022, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Jasilu90 @ Aug 4 2022, 03:32 PM)
Apple cash?
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As alluded to before, switch to US region to activate it and switch back afterwards. And you can get Apple Cash, but it won’t work cause you’ll need verification.

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post Aug 4 2022, 10:21 PM

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Ok just checked on Android Shopee based on RonanGow's post, and it is indeed there, has there been any news about iPay88 working on Google Pay integration? Or any local market integration?

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Unfortunately can't screenshot the actual payment page with the card/gmail page due to security policy of Android. Maybe Shopee is just trying to integrate both AP/GP despite availability? Not sure..
Nvm googled and it seems like GP has been available from iPay88 since 2019, but only for payment terminal processing and not actual contactless (Wave) payment.. so ehhh?

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post Aug 4 2022, 10:56 PM

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Even on Google's official page, there's conflicting information, supposedly it's supported in this list of countries but even in the app there's only 3 countries, if you're opening this using a Malaysian IP it does tell you above with a ribbon that says "Google Wallet isn't available in your country yet, but check back soon!"

https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/12...e-google-wallet

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post Aug 4 2022, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(Noelleshaw @ Aug 4 2022, 10:58 PM)

Even on Google's official page, there's conflicting information, supposedly it's supported in this list of countries but even in the app there's only 3 countries, if you're opening this using a Malaysian IP it does tell you above with a ribbon that says "Google Wallet isn't available in your country yet, but check back soon!"

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I’m currently using gpay(us) fine and I opened it with a Malaysian ip
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Not saying the actual function but what the page is telling users that access it, I'm sure with a US/SG/IN issued card, with the right country set you can add it to Google Wallet and use contactless, despite not being in that country.

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Here's the page opened on a Germany based VPS, the message is completely different from what is shown when opened in MY.

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