why is doing MLM = ruinning lives?!?
dont talk abt all those scams that make u go in debts...i believe with the right choice and right method mlm can actually succeed. i have frens doing LB, everyone says its a scam right? i personally thot so too. but with the right method he's actually earning a lot. and when i say right method it does not include cheating n borrowing/lending money.
u mention starting own business creatively is better rite? what if i there is a mlm company that helps you do that? let u be the boss, open ur own unique cafe, shop, any interesting business plan etc. i actually know one. i did not join becos i dont think mlm or starting business is my cup of tea (at least not now), but after i listen to the whole company concept i totally buy it. the person havent even told us abt any marketing plans, just the concept alone is very interesting edi. unlike any traditional mlm i've heard b4 and of cos, not scam la. the person who intro to me abt this thing is the youngest ACCA holder (no idea wat issit, something to do with accounting cert and apparently its very prestigious in the accounting world?) she's not more than 25, and her knowlegde in all MLM really impressed me.
eh i sound like i'm promoting edi but anyway my point is, not all mlm are bad. if ur into this type of business, then choose WISELY. it will not ruin any lives.

100% agreed. a good mlm is all abt quality, not quantity. of cos its best when u have both. but a good mlm will always prefer QUALITY over quantity. so again, u have to choose wisely on which mlm company to join.


on another note, i dont totally disagree with fast-money scheme as part time. of cos before u join, do enough research n analysis to ensure that its not a scam, and start of with minimized risk. some mlm are for future money, some r fast money but short term, as in u earn a lot the first 1 or 2 years, then the whole thing slow down n eventually it dies out. so wat? i earn wat i can for that 2 years la. its all abt money isnt it. as long as i earn, dont lose money then who cares wat product they sell. product is important, but what's more important is the marketing plan can work. and NO, its not my brainwashing or cheating. approach the right ppl, be honest with them wat issit ur doing n if they buy ur plan, then seal it. if not, then just forget it and continue on other more interesting topics to talk la...no point forcing ppl to join..cos they wont do any work if they join unwillingly.

im just giving my honest opinions.. dont mean to offend anyone

This post has been edited by xsaintx: Feb 10 2007, 03:41 PM

xsaintx, You are both right and wrong.

If you intend to just earn 1 or 2 years fast cash and think that its only about money, then you should be doing some other buy and sell things... not MLM.... cuz in MLM, as one's upline, we wouldn't want to destroy the dreams/future of our downline. They bestow their trust on you and you leave them be after you gain your pot of gold? I wouldn't want to do that...

For me, after gaining my pot of gold, i would also help my downline gaining it. I would be even happier if my downline be even more successfull than me as they go up the stage thanking the me who brought the career/business to him. You will feel very proud. The more downline being succecssfull, the happier you are even if the downline makes more money than you do.

i mentioned that we have to be totally honest with wat we're doing.. so when telling ppl abt the fast money mlm, u also must include the fact that it might b short term, its only up to the person to judge whether its worth it to join at that time or not.
when u have downlines of cos u need to help them. becos helping them = helping urself. u can only help ur immediate downlines or maybe up to a few generations..when the network grows too big, we dont even know the ppl then its hard to help..summore when its short term mlm.
if after 1 or 2 years the mlm is still going well/strong, then i will continue doing it. but i have to stop eventually when it gets to a point that everyone has heard abt it, everyone is doing it or rumours start to pop out saying that mlm is scam bla bla bla..then it will b difficult to continue isnt it? i will then advise my dl's to stop also n together we will look for other similar mlm to invest in.


i used to anti mlm also..that time my mindset is similar to some ppl, that mlm r scams..mlm very annoying cos it force ppl to buy their products etc. when my bf joined amway, i totally did not like it. then i gave myself a chance to actually understand wat he is doing, why is he doing it and how is he doing it. i've attended numerous meetings n seminars together with him.. now i understand how mlm work, and i dont discourage him from joining anymore. currently he's joined 3 mlm edi, each with diff concept... future money, fast money, and start ur own business (like i mentioned in the previous post). so wat i do now is, when ppl approach me with any marketing plans, i set my mind to neutral mode n give myself a chance to hear what he/she has to say. then if i dont like it, i will reject. if it sounds good n is trustworthy, why not give it a try?

This post has been edited by xsaintx: Feb 10 2007, 08:34 PM

what's the difference between mlm and direct sales? are they the same thing?

but anyhow, i dont hate this mlm thingie. i just hate it when ppl keep bugging me around eventho i reject them already. This is very annoying. I hate this sentence "i have a business proposal to share with you. we are good friends. that's why i must share this proposal with you. I know you want earn more money. Let's work hard and earn them together" so to mlm ppl, is that your universal sentence in recruiting ppl? be honest ya. if that is what your upline taught you, tell him i point my middle finger to him.

mlm with good products, i accept them. i will not join them eventho if their products are reasonable, i might buy from them. eg: cosway cookies/tidbits are yummy to me and cant be found in any other stores. i dont join them, but i buy them from my relative who is a cosway member. im not a member of buffalo, but i bought their kitchen utensils. it's not bcos i support them, it's because i acknowledge their quality.

Mlm with stupid products like gold coins and dunno what candle lah. gold coins that has no value but cost rm2k? gimme a break. stop conning ppl telling your gold coins will worth like rm10k after 10yrs. the coins have no value outside the network. which means only sama jenis ppl which joined the same MLM that offer that coins will think that those coins are worth like 10k after 10yrs. for me, that kind of mlm is like "friend cheating friend". today, my friend cheated me. tommorow, i will cheat my best friend. then my best friend cheat my good friend. then my good friend cheat his mother. one word, lame.
and the candle thingie, well u know lah. candle can make ppl healthier and poorer. doh...

I think you misunderstood, people dont fear MLM... ppl find it annoying.

MLM= Multi Level Marketing. I believe the word Multi Level says it all (Time Leveraging technique used by your boss. And you get what you work for without salary but with good commisions/profits)

Direct Sales = I too believe that the word DIRECT says it all too... (1 level only. Usually, they will be paid a salary to carry out their task.)

Those sentences they uses nowadays are meant to be used towards business building minded people. Not meant for young adults/college students/working range of people.
*This is not a fact and its only my personal opinion.

Dear TS,
What makes you think people is AFRAID of MLM?

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Added on February 14, 2007, 2:51 pmOpps, didn't notice Casanova has state it.

This post has been edited by bysquashy: Feb 14 2007, 02:51 PM

Browsing through the web late at night and i came across this one..

Talking about MLM, i have friends who joined this LB thingy and they were bragging about themselves. Saying how much are their teamwork and bla bla bla. I even joined them for their meetings. Boy, they acted like they are doing a mission impossible. With laptops and suitcases in a cafe, all dressed formally. A gal from that team called me to join them. So, i joined their discussion. Look professional from the outside, but not so sure for their inside. So finally, a couple who is doing LB came to my house and talked to my dad. My dad asked him one question. Before he asked him that question, the guy was bragging about his education level. Did a degree overseas which took him 4 years time and he rather choose LB rather than working in his degree field. So my dad asked him, your car (he's driving a Wira), you pay full amount or what? He answered hmm.. through installment. I will manage to pay the full amount of the car in 7 years. What!! You can say you are being successful in LB and you need to pay your car through installment for 7 years. Can you believe it?
Another guy, he said he invested RM 30k into LB, but look at him now. He's only a staff working his ass off in a cyber cafe with an income below RM 2k.
Another friend of mine, called me few months ago, so i asked him how are you and so on.. Came to the question, what are you doing now? He said i joined LB and i'm earning RM 10k a month. I said wah... Okay.. Guess what happened to the guy now? He called me last saturday and i asked again, what are you doing right now??? HE said oh, i'm helping my dad to sell cars. I said what happened to your LB thingy then? He told me he had disagreement with his team. Funny huh? You are earning RM 10k a month and just because of a slighty disagreement with your team and you can just walked off from the money.. Furthermore, the guy just had a form 5 cert.
Another case, happened in my old college. NIC. My bf was recruited by him (a head of department of engineering back then) to join LB. He said he 's gonna quit his job as a head of department with a salary of RM 4k a month to become a full time MLM. Then, he asked my bf to join him. But he did not mention clearly about his plan of recruiting him to join MLM. He just told him that his friend has a company which is very successful now. My bf told me and said the HOD is gonna bring him to see the company one day. Finally, came to that day.. My bf want to bring me along but the HOD do not allow me to follow. So my bf, left me in Midvalley while he followed the HOD back to his home in CHeras. We waited a few hours, then around 7 plus in the evening, my bf called me and asked me to join him in CHeras as the HOD still havent show him the company. Fetch me from Midvalley to Cheras and then left me alone in the HOD apartment while both of them head off to this so called company. My bf just realised then that he's recruiting him to join MLM. SPending hours there and by the time he got back to the apartment, it was already midnight. We were forced to sleepover there. Next time, the HOD really quit his job and work full time MLM. The last time i heard about him, he's back in education line.. WOrking as a small lecturer.
However, my cousin brother is working for MLM company that has to do with coins. Well, seems to me he has been successful. He joined the MLM thingy when he was studying in KL and now, he's a full time MLM. From what i heard, he's earning RM 6-7k a month now.
If you ask me, why i did not join him and i have to bear with my small allowance given by my parents and the hard earned money i earned from my business, i'll say MLM is too risky. For instance, i just joined MLM and i'm trying to recruit downline so i go for my good friend, A. I told her, dont worry.. We sure can make huge money out of this business, all you need to do is just invest RM 2++k into it, then we look for more friends or family members to join us.. As time goes on, we'll be able to buy more expensive clothes and BMWs. Think again..WHat am i dealing with my good friend, A here? I'm dealing with our friendship TRUST!! If the business is good, we enjoy the profit. But what if the business doesnt work out, A is gonna blame me or what?
It's not worthy to sell our trust to one another just for the sake of money. Especially trust that we have build in years. It's too risky for that.. AFterall, our trust to each other only worth RM 2++k? No right?
I;m writing this long, so that people could think probably before they decide whether they want to join the MLM.

that is why MLM is so unethical, even if their "business" is "legal". they will brag about their 3% success but hide the truth of the other 97% who failed. in order to put up a good show, many resort to loans to buy their cars, houses and wearing nice suits. some even went to the extend of borrowing luxury cars from their uplines just to impress their potential customers. but in fact, many of them are just empty shells on the inside; who gave up their eduaction or job. so what if they fail (most probably they will) and join that 97% failure group? they will have nothing to fall back on. thousands of dollars just gone like that. the banks/loan sharks will come breathing down their necks and they will become the society rejects due to strained relationships with families and friends. i've seen many broken families due to this. students misuse their PTPN loans for this MLM and some even to the extend of lying to their parents to get the investment money. and i also have a MLM friend who invested 30k as a good example. 3 years ago, he gave up his career as a designer. been doing good with stable income. he went to borrow money from family and siblings. now 3 years later, he is still not successful and even worse, ended up back in hometown, daydreaming his future away and feeding on his family. another friend of mine started MLM 6 years ago. been doing all kinds of MLM. 6 years later, still not successful and also feeding on family back at hometown. imagine if he had started to work, he will be having a very comfortable life now. in 6 years you can have job promotions and also salary increment if you work hard.

for those who are interested to join, don't just fall easily to the nice dollar figures, cars and expensive suits they show you. they won't show their failure. go do your own research and see the bad side as well. so that you know whether you are up for the fall and consequences. do know that if you fall, you'll fall so hard and deep that it leaves a strain to your relationship and your financial status.

now for MLMers (especially those unethical ones). i know you guys are targeting students and youngsters. because you know it's a huge market there and many of them are gullible. you also know that many of them don't have the money to join. so you somehow coax them to withdraw their study loans or lie to parents for the money. back off now because you guys are doing a big sin. you are ruining their life and their future. if you think your plan is really that successful, go find the rich bosses and tycoons for your cause. see how they will respond and grill you on your display car and suits even before you start introducing your plan.

In MLM, a member's fortune is another member's lost as it work more or less like a pyramid scheme. By the way, please do not confused with direct sales as MLM. Not all direct sales are MLM based, in fact most aren't.

but sadly, many direct sales are moving into the direction of MLM. and many MLMers also confuse the public by denying their business as MLM but say it is direct sales. so by mixing the bad eggs in the basket, the whole basket is spoilt

That is really bad. It is as if the name MLM is not tarnished enough & now wanted to spread the disease over to direct sales.

Well, in the first place, those MLM places can blame themselves for most of their negativity attributed to them anyways. Their recruiting tactic is very much a hit and miss thing. For every recruit that they managed to grab, they probly ended up pissing off hell of a lot of other ppl along the way.

A lot of people tend to confuse of MLM's concept... MLM is meant for those who want to make money without putting in much money to start with "Pak Sau Heng Ka" but there are now many MLM company coming up with some pretty huge amount as "Investment"... Man... use your brains and think... Investments are meant for those that are already sort of successfull people where they have extra money to spend to earn more money... Not those people borrowing money all over just to start the business...

MLM itself is not wrong... It is just the concept thoughts of New Distributors to find the shortest route to success... There is no Short Cut to success except to follow foot steps of those that are already successfull GENUINELY...

i joined MLM 3 yrs ago, but wasted the money for joining in coz im not active.

what i find MLM annoying is "fren get fren" thing. i hate this concept a lot. good frens can become enemy because of this, family can broke to pieces too because of this. another thing is, i hear upliner say MLM is damn good for college students, coz can earn while study. i total pissed at this statement.

kinda agree on what Anodize said, MLM is a good concept, just ppl misuse and abuse the concept.

i already have great example : my friends.

only 1 out of like 15 of my friends that joined LB succeed.
& the ones that failed are the ones who joined under the one that succeed.

so technically the one that succeed helped LB & himself to earn cash by conning his friends' cash. some of them even payed like 30k to buy the higher rank. it already sounded wrong in the 1st place.

i wanted to join too at the first place as i went to the office & their spokesperson spoke to perfection due to training & crap like that to lure & convince ppl. i was broke & jobless, so they asked me to borrow from ppl. luckily i have a principle of disliking to borrow ppl's cash. that saved me, & i ended up sitting back eating popcorn & watch all my other friends that joined fail.

I would say that MLM company should teach the distributor of the proper attitude/concept to do the business... without it, it would be chaos.

this ahwooi is recruiting ppl

and those people whom into this MLM ... will evetually knows that ... the "recruiter" is telling the whole "TRUTH"


correction : it should read as follow ::

The "recruiter" is NOT telling the Whole "TRUTH"

This post has been edited by suns8630: Feb 16 2007, 03:26 PM

Not all the recruiter is not telling the whole truth... If you are into MLM business, it is your duty to ask questions... If the recruiter denies the question, that would be his wrong.