oi ahwooi,

why u care wat ppl said about mlm?
all i see u "yahoo...thumbs up etc etc"
are you trying to educate ppl to luve mlm?
as stated u dont even join one.why u give a damn to change ppl mind?
from wat i see u dont even wanna knw more about mlm.when ppl give u negative feedback u differ it.u only agree/happy when ppl like mlm.
so wat is your point?

mlm is a pyramid scam with product. plz dont compare it with convetional biz idea...bill gate earn profit bcoz he own the microsoft stock. only idiot compare to such when they got no knowledge in biz at all.

so which mlm u from?

Yeah, MLM is definitely a scam. Selling product that we don't need. Better go buy bird nest than buy MLM product. MLM product may do more harm than good. The only direct sales that is good is Insurance. Do bother other direct sales. They just want to cheat your hard earn money. You think no money start business? Go find client is not money ar?

What he wants to know anyway?
MLM is simple...

Its either u recruit downline or sell stuffs to get comission....

One question that MLMers will always lie or refuse to tell you the truth by diverting the question.

What is the past success rate of being successful in your xxx company's MLM?

You see if there are more and more anti MLMers, it would mean their market will be smaller and hence thier income will be less, and it will be harder for them to recruit. When they can't recruit, their income will also stop.
That is why I believe those pro MLMers are trying very hard to brainwash the people and also the reason why this thread exists.

my fren just bankrupt due mlm...something call lamp berger.

There's already plenty of articles on the web documenting how a MLM is not a sustainable business modem, I don't know why does someone asks without doing their research to begin with.

Also, the reason why MLM prospers is because well... you know what they say, 1 born every minute.

It's all about knowing what you want, what are you going to do with your want and ultimately it's about who you know. To be a part of an MLM is to be persistent, patient, and don't give a damn what people say.

Of course, my advice does work. Most of the time anyway.

okay... lets shorten everything this thread is saying...

Remember studiotraffic back in 2005? Was it hot?
Well, i invested in it too.
Before i started to invest USD3k, i am just a normal member investing USD90 to get my account to be USD100 so that i could make a withdrawal. It came to my attention that i've received a cheque amounting USD9.50 as i played for 13 days minus some charges. I sent it to Maybank but it was rejected as they charge on the conversion of the cheque to Ringgit Malaysia but no doubt, the cheque is genuine.
I continued with studiotraffic till July,2005 where studiotraffic officially opened Studiopay in Kelana Jaya, PJ. I then invested USD3k where my returns are huge. People in malaysia started trusting studiotraffic as they get their cheque each month. I even recruited a member investing USD9k where i could get commision of 10% from the amount of the investment made by my members... I've already told them that having a higher pay means higer risk. I didn't push him to join me but he still joins as he is a risk taker. He too received numerous cheque from studiopay. But when December comes, the company itself stated many reasons for the delay. And at the end, Studiotraffic shut down. Many people owe others money as they promised they will pay them back for whatever they've invested.

So, the conclusion in Malaysia is that many are very "kiasu" They will not believe in whatever they hear untill they experience it. MLM is difficult task.... but is a traditional business easy? try asking yourself that...

I have to agree that doing MLM is not easy to be succesfull.... but i ask myself this.. If i continue to working for 10 years in whatever industry i am doing, would i be successfull?

You start working as a normal staff in a company... after sometime, your get to be promoted to be a supervisor of that department.... and after maybe 2-3 years working, you might be promoted to be manager of the department.... and after 10 years working as a manager, do you think you will be promoted to be a CEO or whatsoever? I believe not unless you are relative to that company itself. And by working in a industry, to be promoted, you will have to poke many people's back to show that you are hard working and not like them. Thats what i don't like...

There are more than 2k of direct sales companies in Malaysia but only 1% of them are more than 10 years whereby 10 years is the minimum requirement of how stable the company is. And there are only a few of them which are DSAM certified.

Another concept of MLM is for people's life to get better... not investing a huge amount of money in hope of getting a larger amount back. A piece of advise... do investigate the company that you are spending your future on before deciding joining them or not. You cannot blame others if you join and failed... its your own choice.

There is another case of MLM... MLM is said to let people earn money. But there are 90% of MLM company requires members to renew their membership by paying an amount of money... Lets take an example of Amway. I am not sure how much they pay to be a member and how much are their renewal fees... Just take an example of RM10 for renewal fees. If Amway have 1 billion of members, their turnover with just membership renewal fees would be RM10 billion.So, in other words, the company is earning more than the Distributor themself.

* No hard feelings if i had offended others. I am just sharing my thoughts.

The other example is selling lamp, Last time they have a concept of investing RM 30k and ask them to find other 5 member to invest the same amount so that you can be more succesfull.... but in my thoughts, if 1 person invest RM30k, 6 person would have RM180k already. Would they be successfull in it? They are unsure too... but with RM180k, i would rather open chain of stores selling HP or other stuff as at least if the business is not good, i still could sell of all the HPs without any profit margin to gain back what i've invested in. Do you agree with me?

anyone here personally know someone who became millionare through MLM??

i prefer not to join MLM.. who's with me?

i have a question. Is amway the bad guy or the distributor? imho, the problem come from those ppl who tell other ppl dat they can be millionare by joining mlm and sell thier thing. and why did they say this? bcoz they wan to be millionare themself. so they need some1 to help push them up. but do they care about thier downline? or do they care about the money? so, wat cause all these?

hope this will not offend anyone. ^^

Check this out: http://merchantsofdeception.com/

Free download of the book too.

Basically, Amway is the example in the book of a system that's been taken advantage of by its top level distributors.

I made the decision of not wanting to join any MLM based on this question:
Are you willing to sacrifice your TV/games/paktoh/personal time doing MLM (and hopefully be successful in it) ?

No, I've got a job, and I want to spend my non-working hours for my own time. I'm not a sales-person, I don't persuade people that well, and most importantly I hate to introduce MLM/business prospect/opportunities to others.

I will only let others know about a certain product/service when I have used it for some time, and like it. And probably then will I consider advertising for that product/service, and if they've got an opening for a MLM business partner, why not? I will still continue to use the product, and I'm familiar enough to recommend a good stuff to others, willingly and naturally.

Or for this reason: I'm serious about getting rich faster by doing sales (MLM is sales) and willing to sacrifice a certain amount of time doing it part time first, then full-time if all goes well.

Other brainwashing/examples/statements might get me interested, but in the end it's still back to the question above. I'll rather not take the risk and get some-part time job instead... at least I'm not forcing myself doing something I don't like...

This post has been edited by sting79: Feb 8 2007, 04:13 AM

Doing MLM should be like what you said in the bold. MLM itself has a good marketing plan. It is just the distributors of some sort that made people misunderstand the concept of MLM.

And yes. I'm wiling to sacrifice my TV/games/paktoh/personal time doing MLM. Cuz i don't want my life to be just as ordinary. I don't mind being a millionaire if i could but at least, i want to live a life of debt free. Ask yourself... do you own a car? I said own that means paid wholely where you don't apply for loan. I myself don't. When you have nothing to lose, why not give it a try. It might make your life a turning point. but if you failed to do so, yes you will loose your TV/games/paktoh/personal time. But heck, you've gain whole lots of experience. Learn lots of things that you don't get to learn from the society.

Does everyone born to be a sales person? Is selling a product call persuading? or was it convincing? and when your regular customer sees your determination in MLM, they will tend to ask you how you are getting on. By then, you can start explaining the business to them. Its not like you will have to introduce all the details to one particular person that might/might not have interest in at all.

Most of the time, doing MLM would be best starting from a part time. Cuz you don't earn a stable income from that particular MLM company yet. To be a good upline, one should know the needs of your downline and to guide them the proper way to start the part time business. I myself did consult my upline saying that i want to do the business full time but she gave me a hit on the head saying that i'm not ready as i don't have a stable income in the MLM industry yet. I also asked my upline if i could change my car to make myself look more successfull.... She knock my head again telling me that don't try to fly when you don't even know how to walk correctly.

There are MLM that will brainwash others... but i would say that it all depends on one self. They chose to believe in that particular MLM and they work for it. That is fair enough.. Everyone have their own wisdom through experience and i believe they could decide if they want to accept the fact that MLM is the next kin of sales. Those that were called "Brainwashed" should be given respect for as they stood there for you to splash cold water. And when they get home, their family get worried if he would be cheated as there are many companies out there loves to cheat for their own benefits.

well..mlm is do-able ler... itz depends on u urself...
does dat think it sux, will of cuz never succeed in it..does dat think itz doable n strive on will definitely succeed,,
n years later, they will b rich enuff to ask those dat think mlm sux " so, u stil think mlm canot bcum rich?"

I'm only against the ethics of them driving a nice car into university and start brainwashing students to think that they too can do it, use their student loan, etc etc... My brother was one.

I've secondary schoolmate who was so gung-ho into MLM that he skipped SPM exam. Don't know if he was brainwashed into thinkin education is useless (Robert Kiyosaki anyone?) or what... but he is now... a waiter... doing credit card sales on the side. I seriously pity him and his false hope/beliefs.

Yes... its true... i too are against the ethics of them driving a nice car into Uni... But many got rich from MLM does not do that... most of them that does that are faking it... Faking that they got loads of cash from MLM...

Skipping SPM exam aint a good thing to do unless of course you are to persue further studies abroad... Robert Kiyosaki didn't think that education is useless... its a part of life. He mention that getting too much education does means that you will earn more... He didn't succeed is because he didn't choose the right path of the MLM i belief.

True...im saying MOST here means 98% who does MLM does have nice and shining wheels on the roads, but have u guys ever figure out who knows behind the scenes they are carrying million tons of useless shit to pay their loans off n get their bankrupcy certificates. And made their names to the top of the blacklist. Com'on get real of the tru life, if mlm makes u rich that fast, most ppl in malaysia dun hav to work shit man. I've seen now those mlm worms tryna brainwash students, and thats a fact, com'on man, look at them, they are still young and u failed their future being at least SOMEONE in the world. Who knows u mlm fellas ruin our future malaysian successful ppl. So always keep in mind, u guys wanna recruit get ppl pls dun ruin ppls life. Sorry for being FED UP, cus i dun wanna see failures in my country as i respect all people here. If u do wanna get rich or be successful is alwasy better to start ur own business creatively. Get to the real world not the DARK!

whn people ask me to join their MLM in klcc putra or whn u walk across kl.. i pretend to enjoy their conversation and get their card.. later ill jus ignore it. unless thy really hv substantial evidence that they are worth investing time in. other thn tat.

ahwooi.. try not to take mlm too much to heart. everybody hv their own likes and dislikes. if u like it so be it. dont try to change wat people dont like. get a grip of yself

there are people who rip lots and those tat do not. naturally the winners would want to spread the word around. and the "not-so-lucky' batch would also spread how thy made a huge loss in it.. its all about luck and hardwork..

so NOT everyone WILL prosper in the MLM business

if u happen to be KUDOS thn!

If you dont know anything,dont make yourself sound like a fool here.What rubbish are you talking about?

I tell you,if you do MLM with 100 members but all of them inactive oso u wont get a single sen !! If you have juz 10 members who are all active you will reap the profits! Go read up!

MLM= getting member?

Do you know MLM you need to sell stuff too? The harder ur downline work,the more rewards you n ur downline get .So its not only the top who gain,but the downline will sure get they commision.

Cant stand the stupidity of some ppl nowadayz!

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Added on February 10, 2007, 2:57 pmMLM is not for everyone.You dont have the attitude to do it,you will fail lah no matter what.

I overheard my colleagues saying "Some ppl work their asses off 10 hours a day,get promoted to CEO and now working 14 hours a day" Go figure..


This post has been edited by sarahho: Feb 10 2007, 02:57 PM