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 VW Tiguan 2017 - Early Bird RM7k off, RM149 & RM169k

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post Apr 6 2017, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Apr 5 2017, 11:45 PM)
Not really. Retailed price even it is close to Japanese car, it does not mean the total cost of ownership is lower.

Maintenance for vw is much more expensive comparing to Japanese cars.

Spare parts etc is also more expensive.

Also not to forget about the resell value, this is also a crucial deciding factor for budget users.

Overall, it still goes to price still.
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But if you see like Vento, after factoring in the discount, the nett price is much lower than City and this can be use to offset higher maintenance cost. Not to forget the service interval for conti cars are longer thus the different are not so significant.

To me it is the uncertainties that draw buyer away becoz they hv totally no idea how much and how often they hv to fix the car. Couple with the poor after sales, this further worsened the situation.
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post Apr 7 2017, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(jucl @ Apr 6 2017, 11:18 PM)
But if you see like Vento, after factoring in the discount, the nett price is much lower than City and this can be use to offset higher maintenance cost. Not to forget the service interval for conti cars are longer thus the different are not so significant.

To me it is the uncertainties that draw buyer away becoz they hv totally no idea how much and how often they hv to fix the car. Couple with the poor after sales, this further worsened the situation.
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this the problem with perception, like i said, bolehland is very price conscious, even with the offset of the initial discount, it does not compensate the second value which obviously it is also a major concern for most. less than 2 to 3 years down the road, vw cars may depreciate till 50%, the loss to most is quite significant comparing to japanese counterparts. japanese cars are also known to be able to sustain longer in years without problem surfaces, and it can even run probably for 10 years with minor fix required. unlike european cars are known to have problem after 5 years and the cost to fix a 5 years old or older european is certainly a super costly thing to do so.

it is always believed by most bolehland ppl that japanese has cheaper maintenance than european car, and to note that japanese car like honda has up their service interval to 10k, so comparing to VW 15k, it is not too far away. and most importantly, even vw allows 15k interval maintenance, for those short distance drivers on a daily basis they may not be even able to enjoy it too. one must note that engine oil is still the key deciding factor, i dun think there is any engine oil that can really last such long interval. unless one is a heavy driver, that really travel between cities else this is really minor benefit.

whether a car really meets the needs or requirements for ppl, from the sales figure can tell already. if the vento is really that 'good' overall no matter price etc. it should be top in sales now in its segment now.

honda used to be more expensive than toyota, and toyota 'was' always the king in the foreign car segment. and it was 'quickly' overtaken by honda consecutively for the past two years for foreign brand car, u can tell the reasons already.

honda gaves significant more more spec than toyota and again price is comparable or even cheaper than toyota. given the mindset that most bolehland ppl will go things that 'big in size' and 'cheap in price', it is the reason why honda can do so well in almost all models of their cars comparing to their no 1 competitors toyota.

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Vw Msia only bring in 1.4 ? no 2.0 version right ?
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 8 2017, 03:33 AM)
Vw Msia only bring in 1.4 ? no 2.0 version right ?
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At least, not for now.. Future? Unlikely they will.. But hey, could be wrong.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Apr 8 2017, 03:33 AM)
Vw Msia only bring in 1.4 ? no 2.0 version right ?
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yup. Only 1.4. 2.0 is unlikely unless this one hot sell I guess.

but since it is CKD now in bolehland, there is an possibility that they bring in other Tiguan model such as 7 seaters etc.
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QUOTE(kelvincool @ Apr 5 2017, 07:01 AM)
Anyone still interested to bulk together? I got lubang to get extra discount for highline. Please pm me if interested
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Hi, I am interested to join the bulk purchase. What is the best offer we can get?
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Test drive this afternoon. Too bad no Highline.
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QUOTE(westlife @ Apr 7 2017, 12:29 AM)
this the problem with perception, like i said, bolehland is very price conscious, even with the offset of the initial discount, it does not compensate the second value which obviously it is also a major concern for most. less than 2 to 3 years down the road, vw cars may depreciate till 50%, the loss to most is quite significant comparing to japanese counterparts. japanese cars are also known to be able to sustain longer in years without problem surfaces, and it can even run probably for 10 years with minor fix required. unlike european cars are known to have problem after 5 years and the cost to fix a 5 years old or older european is certainly a super costly thing to do so.

it is always believed by most bolehland ppl that japanese has cheaper maintenance than european car, and to note that japanese car like honda has up their service interval to 10k, so comparing to VW 15k, it is not too far away. and most importantly, even vw allows 15k interval maintenance, for those short distance drivers on a daily basis they may not be even able to enjoy it too. one must note that engine oil is still the key deciding factor, i dun think there is any engine oil that can really last such long interval. unless one is a heavy driver, that really travel between cities else this is really minor benefit.

whether a car really meets the needs or requirements for ppl, from the sales figure can tell already. if the vento is really that 'good' overall no matter price etc. it should be top in sales now in its segment now.

honda used to be more expensive than toyota, and toyota 'was' always the king in the foreign car segment. and it was 'quickly' overtaken by honda consecutively for the past two years for foreign brand car, u can tell the reasons already.

honda gaves significant more more spec than toyota and again price is comparable or even cheaper than toyota. given the mindset that most bolehland ppl will go things that 'big in size' and 'cheap in price', it is the reason why honda can do so well in almost all models of their cars comparing to their no 1 competitors toyota.
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the fact is most european cars that we know, are less reliable as comparing to japanese cars. I owned a European car before and bought it new. When i bought the car, i said to myself resales value is ok, expensive maintenance is ok. Eventually I sold the car after 4 years of ownership and never buy the brand again. I believe that when you own a car that keep giving you problems, keep breakdown especially those components that not suppose high tech, you will need to spend a lot of times and money to repair. Even if you have money, you also need time to get it fix. I believe any european or non-malaysian that do not have so much price conscious will also choose a japanese over european if they stay in Malaysia and if they know the facts that how unreliable most of the european cars that selling here in Malaysia. You don't want to drive a car that anytime pop up error message and you have to send it to service center that mostly are incompetent to fix your car and when they found the problems, you may have to simply wait for 2-3 weeks just to wait for a simple components to arrive, eg gasket.

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What can I say... Volkswagen Malaysia just might win with this one.. Reels me in with each passing day.. rclxms.gif




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QUOTE(teikseng @ Apr 10 2017, 11:17 AM)
the fact is most european cars that we know, are less reliable as comparing to japanese cars. I owned a European car before and bought it new. When i bought the car, i said to myself resales value is ok, expensive maintenance is ok. Eventually I sold the car after 4 years of ownership and never buy the brand again. I believe that when you own a car that keep giving you problems, keep breakdown especially those components that not suppose high tech, you will need to spend a lot of times and money to repair. Even if you have money, you also need time to get it fix. I believe any european or non-malaysian that do not have so much price conscious will also choose a japanese over european if they stay in Malaysia and if they know the facts that how unreliable most of the european cars that selling here in Malaysia. You don't want to drive a car that anytime pop up error message and you have to send it to service center that mostly are incompetent to fix your car and when they found the problems, you may have to simply wait for 2-3 weeks just to wait for a simple components to arrive, eg gasket.
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this is why i said, to most bolehland ppl, they still prefer japanese car becos total ownership cost is certainly lower than than european one.
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QUOTE(teikseng @ Apr 10 2017, 11:17 AM)
the fact is most european cars that we know, are less reliable as comparing to japanese cars. I owned a European car before and bought it new. When i bought the car, i said to myself resales value is ok, expensive maintenance is ok. Eventually I sold the car after 4 years of ownership and never buy the brand again. I believe that when you own a car that keep giving you problems, keep breakdown especially those components that not suppose high tech, you will need to spend a lot of times and money to repair. Even if you have money, you also need time to get it fix. I believe any european or non-malaysian that do not have so much price conscious will also choose a japanese over european if they stay in Malaysia and if they know the facts that how unreliable most of the european cars that selling here in Malaysia. You don't want to drive a car that anytime pop up error message and you have to send it to service center that mostly are incompetent to fix your car and when they found the problems, you may have to simply wait for 2-3 weeks just to wait for a simple components to arrive, eg gasket.
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I test drove this car on the weekend, only the Comfortline was available to see, I was hoping to see the Highline with the active display and the "added cost" Car Play system.

Overall impressions with the car is fairly good. The car is well made, lots of rear legroom and there is ample space in the trunk.

Negatives - dash board seemed very high, I think there may be line of sight problems for shorter people.

Power - with all this talk about the car being able to do 0-100 in less than 9 seconds, it surely did not feel like it at all. Even in "S"mode the car was hesitant when the accelerator was depressed.

I understand that the engine is only a 1.4L TSI but the power and torque should be more than enough and comparable or better than a 2.0L torque convertor.

My feeling is that the main issue is that the torque band is only from 1500rpm to 3500 rpm, so anything above these RPMs seem to be insufficient in power. Normal driving and overtaking at speeds under 80km/h should not be a big deal for the new Tiguan.


NVH - I do not think it is as good as it has been reported in the car review websites. The engine seemed very loud when revved high, almost too loud, I haven't experienced this with the Golf GTI or the Ford Focus that I'm currently driving. Plasticky materials on door panels and probably a lack of insulation may be the cause of this.



Positives -
Space, lots of space. It will be very suitable for families on long trips.

DSG transmission is surprisingly good. At slow speeds the DSG seemed capable without the jerks that many have been accustomed to hearing. I think VW have made good software changes to the DSG.

Interior is lovely, well refined similar to what you'll see in other continental cars or the Mazda CX-5. It feels more "Quality" than your average Japanese SUV like the CRV or Forrester.

Fuel Consumption should be very decent however I doubt it can do 1000km as the salesman told me.


At the moment I feel that it is a decent car, however I'm not sold on it just yet.

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QUOTE(19 Degree South @ Apr 10 2017, 04:25 PM)
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QUOTE(FCRS @ Apr 10 2017, 04:32 PM)
I test drove this car on the weekend, only the Comfortline was available to see, I was hoping to see the Highline with the ertor.


DSG transmission is surprisingly good. At slow speeds the DSG seemed capable without the jerks that many have been accustomed to hearing. I think VW have made good software changes to the DSG.

Interior is lovely, well refined similar to what you'll see in other continental cars or the Mazda CX-5. It feels more "Quality" than your average Japanese SUV like the CRV or Forrester.

Fuel Consumption should be very decent however I doubt it can do 1000km as the salesman told me.
At the moment I feel that it is a decent car, however I'm not sold on it just yet.
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As I mentioned before, this car will puff! 1000km mileage for a full tank? Lol! What's the kerb wt against the power train! Salesman...ah.....they will tell you a pig also can fly ! laugh.gif

QUOTE(Xnet @ Apr 10 2017, 04:43 PM)
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QUOTE(Xnet @ Apr 10 2017, 04:43 PM)
The guy in video
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I actually hate this kind of review. The video recording is unprofessional done. And I hate watching video that is taken by someone who holds the phone and record while moving here and there. It makes me feel headache while watching. While he is taking to himself over the selfie video recording, there are too much focus on himself and his self-talk. unless the person makes ppl feel pleasant then different story.

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Apr 10 2017, 10:40 AM)


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his video is one of the most "resources car review video" in MY. you can forget abt pault and af. this guy is really details when reviewing car.

thumbs up. hope this guy can b successful. not sure if he is owner of evo magazine? haha.

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QUOTE(westlife @ Apr 10 2017, 07:14 PM)
I actually hate this kind of review. The video recording is unprofessional done. And I hate watching video that is taken by someone who holds the phone and record while moving here and there. It makes me feel headache while watching. While he is taking to himself over the selfie video recording, there are too much focus on himself and his self-talk. unless the person makes ppl feel pleasant then different story.
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he point to the very details which most car review video did NOT do. i would watch his video if i want to buy a new car.

like it or not, he has his own style.

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