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Sony Sony Xperia XZ -- Discussion, The Best Camera Technology on Smartphone

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post Oct 17 2016, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 17 2016, 12:39 PM)
Hack it like what Taeng9389 is doing.

Btw is it successful? hmm.gif
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nope, it doesn't work, not sure alignment or sim problem, think twice before doing it mega_shok.gif
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post Oct 17 2016, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(wc_how @ Oct 17 2016, 01:02 PM)
I don't mind lossing DRM. I care about warranty only. I also bought another 2years extended warranty.
I usually only flash small mod, like adjust the speaker quality... seldom modify kernel level.
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by rooting for adjusting small mod like speaker quality, u going to lose few camera image processing feature (lowlight,etc), display enhancement (x-reality,etc), screen-mirroring, Xperia Lounge VIP treat, and many more.
sony malaysia dont bother much regarding unlocking bootloader. warranty still in-tact.
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post Oct 17 2016, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(Taeng9389 @ Oct 17 2016, 01:14 PM)
nope, it doesn't work, not sure alignment or sim problem, think twice before doing it  mega_shok.gif
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deng. my sim+mSD mod still working fine on Note7 since S7E. eager to test on my In Progress XZ.
frm ur pic i can see the 2nd sim misaligned abit. not sure that might be the issue.
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post Oct 17 2016, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(pendekar7 @ Oct 17 2016, 01:28 PM)
deng. my sim+mSD mod still working fine on Note7 since S7E. eager to test on my In Progress XZ.
frm ur pic i can see the 2nd sim misaligned abit. not sure that might be the issue.
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photo taken prior to sticking sim to memory card, so, i aligned correctly dy, twice
after heard by forcing it into the slot, it'll damage the sim's reader pin, not dare try liao bye.gif
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post Oct 17 2016, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Oct 17 2016, 12:18 PM)
can't control this as most OEM are opting for hybrid solution to cut costs. that's why we have 64GB for dual SIM model to compensate the lack of mSD cards support if using dual SIM.
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yups, that's not ideal for me because at one time,i must use 1 memory card & 3 sims - 1 personal & 2 company lines. There was no problem before because my previous phones are both android with dual sim hybrid..

now my other phone is iPhone7+ with single sim and no microSD support. So my other phone must have dual sim slots and a memory card slot..

QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 17 2016, 12:39 PM)
Hack it like what Taeng9389 is doing.

Btw is it successful? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Taeng9389 @ Oct 17 2016, 01:14 PM)
nope, it doesn't work, not sure alignment or sim problem, think twice before doing it  mega_shok.gif
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i've tried this mod before with my s7 edge, but unluckily the sim was damaged after sometime. So lazy to do it again.
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post Oct 17 2016, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(pendekar7 @ Oct 17 2016, 01:25 PM)
by rooting for adjusting small mod like speaker quality, u going to lose few camera image processing feature (lowlight,etc), display enhancement (x-reality,etc), screen-mirroring, Xperia Lounge VIP treat, and many more.
sony malaysia dont bother much regarding unlocking bootloader. warranty still in-tact.
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By looking back some old threads at XDA, seem like z3 was the last permanent exploit root.
For z3+ and z5, there were still having temporary root(used for backup TA before unlocking).
Since X series, there are unlikely any root without unlocking.

Rooting without unlocking won't lose the DRM and features but unlock will. That's why i hope, at least some dev can help with something, at least temporary root to backup TA.
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post Oct 17 2016, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(wc_how @ Oct 17 2016, 02:01 PM)
By looking back some old threads at XDA, seem like z3 was the last permanent exploit root.
For z3+ and z5, there were still having temporary root(used for backup TA before unlocking).
Since X series, there are unlikely any root without unlocking.

Rooting without unlocking won't lose the DRM and features but unlock will. That's why i hope, at least some dev can help with something, at least temporary root to backup TA.
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by restoring TA, if possible, removing root as well. BL will auto relock & stock kernel is required to boot. u going all stock again. which i highly doubt the exploit will be found less than 6months.

DRM patch/hack doesnt really works for all DRM linked features.
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QUOTE(pendekar7 @ Oct 17 2016, 02:11 PM)
by restoring TA, if possible, removing root as well. BL will auto relock & stock kernel is required to boot. u going all stock again. which i highly doubt the exploit will be found less than 6months.

DRM patch/hack doesnt really works for all DRM linked features.
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Restoring TA actually doesn't unroot, but relock bootloader. Because root&recovery modified the system partition, which cause it cannot pass through dm-verify, which will bootloop. Finally you have to reflash stock kernel&firmware again.

I feel so wasted if the android machine cannot be rooted(at least sony is better than some other brands who didn't offer unlocking bootloader method, but sacrifice DRM was against my objective to root, to make the device better/perfect). OEM always set the device to a well-balanced setting. But actually our phones are more potential to do better (because the "well-balanced" setting will cause lesser trouble like overheating etc.) Not every flashing will need modify the kernel level, some little tweaks or system level.

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post Oct 17 2016, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(irenic @ Oct 17 2016, 01:47 PM)
yups, that's not ideal for me because at one time,i must use 1 memory card & 3 sims - 1 personal & 2 company lines. There was no problem before because my previous phones are both android with dual sim hybrid..

now my other phone is iPhone7+ with single sim and no microSD support. So my other phone must have dual sim slots and a memory card slot..
i've tried this mod before with my s7 edge, but unluckily the sim was damaged after sometime. So lazy to do it again.
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Well, that's unfortunate.

The only Sony phone I could think of with such slots is Z5 series (last year's flagship), with Z5P of 5.5" screen and Z5 of 5.2" screen.

This year's phone seems many already adopted to hybrid sim already...
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post Oct 17 2016, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(wc_how @ Oct 17 2016, 02:51 PM)
Restoring TA actually doesn't unroot, but relock bootloader. Because root&recovery modified the system partition, which cause it cannot pass through dm-verify, which will bootloop. Finally you have to reflash stock kernel&firmware again.
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exactly. my point is, once u restore TA, everything must back to stock.
restore TA > BL lock.
BL lock need stock kernel.
stock kernel : need stock system.

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QUOTE(squall_kay @ Oct 15 2016, 06:58 PM)
BTW, don't you feel the XZ speaker not as loud as Note7?
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QUOTE(squall_kay @ Oct 16 2016, 09:36 AM)
i dunno either my XZ have issue or not, but Note7 & S7E single speaker louder than XZ. thus if compare with N6P, then can say bye2 already.
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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Oct 16 2016, 10:34 AM)
Can confirm this, the XZ speaker is softer than my Mate 8, which is slightly louder than the Note 5 and S7E
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Note 7 is indeed louder. But imo, the quality of the sound coming from it is also muddier, not as much clarity as what comes out of the XZ. Also, when in the standard watching a video position, the front facing speakers sounds better than the downwards/side way facing speakers. Also, while playing games landscape, with the N7 I tend to cover the speakers. No such issue with the XZ.

QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 16 2016, 12:20 PM)
For me personally, it's not so much as to which speaker is louder.

In my previous z1 which has a bottom speaker. Whenever I am watching video in landscape mode, the speaker will be firing to my right, which at night towards my wife and she'll always complain why I put the volume so loud. I end up having to cup my hand around the speaker to direct the sound to me. If I am watching a 10min video, I can't move my hand at all cos dking so I may not hear the sound clearly...

So to me having a front facing speaker is always better than a louder back/bottom facing speaker
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Pretty much this.

QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 16 2016, 06:35 PM)
Wanted to get my dad a xz at the curve. Mana tau all sold out! Xz very laku ke?
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Same, wanted to pick one up yesterday for the missus but they had none in stock.
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post Oct 17 2016, 04:26 PM

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I was playing with the phone just now, when i zoom in into a picture i realised there were a lot of noise in the picture. Is there anything we can do bout that?

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post Oct 17 2016, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(aKatoRA @ Oct 17 2016, 04:26 PM)
I was playing with the phone just now, when i zoom in into a picture i realised there were a lot of noise in the picture. Is there anything we can do bout that?
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my experience...
- never use the full 23MP unless u need to crop your picture. the quality of a full 23 MP picture is actually so so only
- i find capturing in 2MP actually give very sharp and clear picture. but the picture size is very small la.
- i still recommend taking picture in 8MP, which is a balance between quality and size
- in most cases, manual mode with auto settings better than superior auto mode
- for best result, use manual mode and adjust all the settings accordingly (of course this require time and knowledge and not for everyone
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post Oct 17 2016, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 17 2016, 04:53 PM)
my experience...
- never use the full 23MP unless u need to crop your picture. the quality of a full 23 MP picture is actually so so only
- i find capturing in 2MP actually give very sharp and clear picture. but the picture size is very small la.
- i still recommend taking picture in 8MP, which is a balance between quality and size
- in most cases, manual mode with auto settings better than superior auto mode
- for best result, use manual mode and adjust all the settings accordingly (of course this require time and knowledge and not for everyone
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Thanks for the tips.
Will explore further.
Manual with auto settings means, the SCN set to OFF rite?
How about superior auto with 8mp? If my memory serve me right, it should be downsamples and merged like Nokia pureview ?

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post Oct 17 2016, 05:32 PM

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guy does this phone comes with preinstalled FM radio app? if doesnt, can try NextRadio app whether working onot.
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QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 17 2016, 04:53 PM)
my experience...
- never use the full 23MP unless u need to crop your picture. the quality of a full 23 MP picture is actually so so only
- i find capturing in 2MP actually give very sharp and clear picture. but the picture size is very small la.
- i still recommend taking picture in 8MP, which is a balance between quality and size
- in most cases, manual mode with auto settings better than superior auto mode
- for best result, use manual mode and adjust all the settings accordingly (of course this require time and knowledge and not for everyone
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Thanks for the tips. It's a bit tedious if need to adjust the setting and i expect just point and shoot. Not a bit hesitating to buy it as the camera surprisingly too much of noise.
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QUOTE(pendekar7 @ Oct 17 2016, 05:32 PM)
guy does this phone comes with preinstalled FM radio app? if doesnt, can try NextRadio app whether working onot.
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doesn't have FM chip anymore. need to use the individual FM station App.

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post Oct 17 2016, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Oct 17 2016, 05:36 PM)
doesn't have FM chip anymore. need to use the individual FM station App.
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its a shame. previously they only disabled it.
internet radio sound quality mostly bad even on good network speed.

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Oct 17 2016, 04:53 PM)
my experience...
- never use the full 23MP unless u need to crop your picture. the quality of a full 23 MP picture is actually so so only
- i find capturing in 2MP actually give very sharp and clear picture. but the picture size is very small la.
- i still recommend taking picture in 8MP, which is a balance between quality and size
- in most cases, manual mode with auto settings better than superior auto mode
- for best result, use manual mode and adjust all the settings accordingly (of course this require time and knowledge and not for everyone
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yes agree about 20mp picture quality was so so only and slow interval to take another pic than superior auto 8mp
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post Oct 17 2016, 06:20 PM

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Beside, average person only need 8mp for a magazine photo quality @ 8inch @ 300ppi. Capturing a 23mp photo does not seems practical. Sharing to fb instagram and so on don't even need that.

http://design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php

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