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post Nov 1 2011, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Nov 1 2011, 12:15 PM)
Mr Farmer:

Haaa... It's a dilemma.

This is an effect of high fertility in the soil. There's a lot of nutrients, a lot of water, but the plant outer layer just can't cope with the rapid growth of the inner cells, which results in "bursting", aka split stem. You know in expecting women, they get stretch marks as the pregnancy progresses right? Something like that.
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blush.gif Must be me, always thinking of of malnutrition. Actually my helpers had fertilized it with fruiting fertilizer. I requested them to spray foliar fruit enhancer. Then got some trees I curi curi put chicken dung. biggrin.gif Too enthusiastic, and got carried away.

Maybe we can call this the "Malnutrition syndrome" biggrin.gif
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post Nov 6 2011, 06:41 PM

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Moringa
Got an email about Moringa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moringa
Some claims that it's a miracle tree.
In India & Africa, there are plantation just for Moringa, like our rubber /oil palm plantation.

Just to share.

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post Nov 9 2011, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Nov 8 2011, 07:44 PM)
These few days had been in my sifu's farm in Raub.

a) Something i learned, If You Are Able To Have Similar Quantity Output With Less Trees Why Be Kiasu and OverCrowd your farm.

b) Pruning is one of the essential things in Farm Care. biggrin.gif
Mr Farmer : when are you coming back to KL ? Yum Cha
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Oh yes, pruning is essential, we even cut off some fruits. It depends on whether you are targeting for big fruits or just quantity (Market requirement).

Para, won't be back until CNY. Have to look after farm now as my operation partner suddenly pull off (1st Oct) citing retirement. He actually went to JV with new partners planting Castor, as I wanted to wait & see before proceeding. Anyway, wish him best of luck. It's also a great opportunity to start taking care of the farm. May have to look for new partner / s, who can spend passionate time to improve the farm.
Sure, shall call you Yam Cha when back.

By the way, just tested an automatic sprinkler today. The sprinkler does not come with any specification, just green colored nozzle. Have to work out how many sprinkler can our pump (gasoline 4.5 hp) run.


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QUOTE(hitsugaya2010 @ Nov 8 2011, 08:57 PM)
Great Publication..!!! I am also very interested in farming but now still dun have the knowledge and the money to start.. maybe after few years i can join u guys for more chatting... =))
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My opinion is to start farming is simple. Do it on a small scale. Can start planting at your own back garden for your own consumption. You can also play farming with any farm close to you. Talk with the operator, go and help out during your free time (can also find out if you really like farming before jumping in).

When you are more comfortable, then do it in a small scale 1, 2 or any small acreage.
Knowledge can be learned. There are lots of avenue.
As with any business, budgeting is very important, do have some (more) for reserve.

Agriculture is big business. Just spoke with a second generation farmer (can not call him a farmer anymore). Their family owns a 50 acres farm, out sourcing it to privateer farmers in small plots. They just collect the harvest and do wholesale. Their fleets consist of 1 X 5 tons & 5 X 1.5 tons lorry. The two sons running the operation on shift, the dad stay at kopitiam 'blow water' (blowing his horns) only.

A strong & passionate desire, full commitment, positive optimism & motivation with great patience do really helps nod.gif

Best of luck to you.

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post Nov 12 2011, 08:35 PM

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Hi Para,
This is our play sprinkler. Bought it for $6.00 Guess it should work. Tested for a couple of days. At one time, the sprinkler stopped spinning, guess it might be something to do with the pressure. Am looking to install more later.
We are putting chicken dungs, fertilizer, fishes & EM (effective microbes) into the pool. Since we are pumping our water there, we figure this might help the plants to grow better.
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post Nov 18 2011, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Nov 18 2011, 08:18 AM)
Mr Farmer:

Sorry, can't see the picture, so I'm assuming it is a single pond.

For single ponds, I would not think placing manure and fertilizers as a good idea per se, as it would encourage algae growth, which will then clog the sprinkler system. Fish you may add, but keep bigger fish. When I was managing oil palm nurseries, we used to have a problem a problem with guppies (ikan longkang) clogging up the sprinklers. If you do want to do add stuff before watering, I would suggest you build a sump, which will act as a temporary collection point for water. You could use gravity to do the job. But this helps to ensure the water you apply is relatively free of clogging materials.

Para has made some very important points. Install stop valves, and manage the watering regime. I believe you already know how much HP your pump is and so what kind of water pressure to expect.

This might be a strange question, but what droplet size are your sprinklers? And what's the rate of release per hour?
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Our pond is actually a small creek. As the water was too little during the dry season, we had dug into the creek and converted it to a pond. We had it done in stages, on the upper level a long pond and lower level is a small pond. We kind of lie built a small dam across it. The main long pond is also used as a reservoir as we pipe in some water via gravity feed. As it is rain season here, no problem now, but we were desperate for water last month. There are no clogging problem at the moment but shall see how to incorporate a sump of a screen intake filter.

As the pump is an old unit, we do not have much information about it.
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Just that 143 cc, 3.5hp engine. The consumption is quite heavy, may have to look for an alternative lower consumption engine, perhaps a diesel type. As the sprinkler also does not come with any specification, everything is based on guess work & trial. We already had stop valve install as we were using manual labor with garden hose (16mm flexible garden hose) attached to the main PP pipe.
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The green color coded sprinkler is listed as type 323, did not find any specs on the net. The nozzle side has a smaller water droplet size while the turning activator side has a bigger droplet size. These sprinkler is prone to pressure and water flow problem, both high and low. It has a window of workable pressure and water flow and it does not work above or below this window. The throw is about 20 ~ 25 ft diameter. We manage to fit 4 at the moment.
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We had installed a Butterfly type sprinkler. From the design, the operation window (pressure & flow rate) is much wider. The water droplet size is much fine, bigger than mist. The throw is much smaller, about 12 ~ 12 ft diameter. Shall be trying to install more points.
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post Nov 23 2011, 05:26 PM

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Saw a young, immature rubber tree drying off from the top.
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The leaves as well as the stem are drying up and dying.
The lower trunk seems to be good.
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What could be wrong? Just one of this all of the whole lot. Tree was still fine a month ago.
Cutting off the dried section, till the trunk is fresh with latex. Hope it shall grow again.
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post Nov 24 2011, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(teteret @ Nov 24 2011, 02:00 PM)
Mr farmer, you can experiment with the choice of fertilizers. Agarwood trees are fast growing trees.
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How about organic fertilizer
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Kenso, Cap Bunga, organic fertilizer, Super Green
http://www.kensocorp.com/index.php?cat_id=11&im=products
Super Green
13-7-8-2+TE+HA
Super Green incorporates both the benefits of chemical fertilizers and the advantages of organic. Superb combination to replace NPK Green

Functions: 2 In 1 Benefit Control Release Nutrient
Pellet 40kg/bag
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post Dec 8 2011, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Dec 5 2011, 09:00 PM)
Monsoon season is really giving me a headache.

lost about 10 nangka plants because of flooding...hopefully the mounding will decrease water logged areas....

how has the monsoon season affected your place ??
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Oh yes, before these, we were worrying about shortage of water. Now we are worrying of too much water. We had some floods here, some of of chillies are drown, 2 beds for green vege too (but was harvested in time) and some Cavendish Banana. Lost (in $) isn't much, it's the hard work that was wasted. Luckily we did not plant much, close to the waterline of the creek.
Had to dig a drain to drain off some excess water.
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post Dec 8 2011, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 6 2011, 08:38 PM)
Mr Farmer:

Just realized no one had replied your post on rubber saplings.

Looks to me like canker. Mild cases can be cured. How is it now, anyway?
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Sorry, had not been able to find any leads. Have absolutely no idea what it is. Maybe shall have to wait till I go to Lembaga Getah's main office.
Since our "amputation" , last check 2 days ago, there had not been any changes, no signs of any new growth, but it does seems to looks even "dryer". Hope it'll get well soon.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 8 2011, 09:29 AM)
Para:

It is close to that price. Hexagon's price is a little on the high side though; maybe due to certain unique traits. Did you check with them about it?

UP sells for RM1.80, but you need to go all the way to Perak to collect it yourself. If large quantities, maybe worth it lar.
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Sorry missed the topic. What plant is going for $1.80 to $2.50? Seems cheap. Here everything is expensive, but selling our produce is cheap .
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post Dec 8 2011, 08:27 PM

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We had an outbreak of chilli disease here. Came with the rainy season. Affecting our whole area here.

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Dec 8 2011, 09:33 PM)
bro,

we were referring to Berangan Banana Plants
MJ, the guy answering my query at Hexagon was not too friendly thus he didnt give me much info on way their plants are more expensive.

whereas the guy at Jalur Salju invited me in for a chat...i went in to kaypoh...haha
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Hmmh, over here we have a guy doing it in his "laboratory" (Shoplot), going for $3.50 (no discount for quantity). Need to book, or wait till his schedule. Also it's a small one (plant). Resorting to suckling transplant. Had planted some, mostly for sucklings.

By the way, what planting density are you doing?

What pricing are we looking at the fruits there?
Still working on the feasibility/market study.
Any infor to share?
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post Dec 10 2011, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Dec 9 2011, 09:30 PM)
backyard lab also going for RM 3.50 each. its tissue cultured ??

i am planting 10' x 10'

pricing wise for each KG have to let you know next week biggrin.gif
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Oh yes, cost here are not cheap, maybe land are still available. Yes, backyard Tissue cultured. I see his equipment are just very basic.

I've seen people planting @ 6 X 10'. Me, am also thinking of 10~15' X 10 ~ 15'. Doing it wider, to integrate other plants in the middle.

Over here, I heard wholesale market price is $1.50/ kg. I sold 2 brunch, only managed @ $1.00. Hope you have better pricing over there.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 12 2011, 08:35 AM)
Mr Farmer:

It's simply a case of low competition. Over here, there are 80+ banana tissue culture labs, or tissue culture labs that could go into banana tissue culture easily. I believe in Sabah and Sarawak, there are probably only a dozen or so in each state. And tissue culturing bananas isn't rocket science; that's why a lot of biotech/science graduates are going into the business. But what really "adds-value" to the end product is how much mutation happens in the clones, if the tc lab can continuously improve the quality of the materials, and how well managed is the lab.

Another possible (though unlikely) factor is the type of clone. Cavendish clones are fetching pretty high prices these days as the South American plantations are gradually shrinking and international trade demand is being filled-in from Malaysia, Philippines, and Hainan Island. However, even berangan clones are getting higher prices these days.

As for prices, whoa! So low? Which grade bunches did you sell? Over here, a typical 15-18kg bunch Grade A (between 10-12 combs) would fetch about RM1.80 per kg, Grade B about RM1.30, and Grade C about RM0.80 (usually wholesalers don't take these).

Hmm... We used to plant between 550 to 600 stands per acre for berangan. That's about 6' x 6' planting, if I remember correctly. The target is to get between 1500-1600 stands per hectare
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Most probably so on the (low) competition, and / or low volume, hence high price.
As for the price, we sold it to wholesaler, claiming that they resell it @ $1.20/kg. Not sure about the grading. Those 2 were a small brunch maybe 7 ~ 8 kg each. We cut it to comb and got about 15kg. Still, it's better price than the Goreng Pisang, Pisang Kerling & Raja.
Btw how do we grade banana? ( all types?)

Was talking with a guy and found that there is people renting land just to plant Berangan. Wonder if this is feasible. Guess the 1st year is at a lost.


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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 13 2011, 08:34 AM)
Mr Farmer:

Hmm... RM1.20 wholesaler price? Maybe another case of high supply and low demand.

Grading is primarily done through weight, which include the stalk weight, the number of combs per bunch, and size of the top 5-6 combs (depends). Each variety has it's own grading scale, so eg. berangan fetches premium prices for bunches above 20kg with 12-15 combs, and >15cm fingers, while for pisang tanduk it usually by weight and number of fingers (>3.5kg, >10 fingers = premium).

As for renting land and plant berangan, it can be very profitable. It all depends on your costings, actually. For eg., I used to have this client for tc banana who rented land from TNB for RM100/hectare a month, and he rented about 100 hectares in total. His average revenue per hectare is about RM40,000 so each year he gets RM4million from his bananas. However, he also related some very bad incidences where he rented land from a government agency, and just before he could harvest his crop, the agency terminated the contract and took back the land (plus crops). Compensation was the rental fees for the 10 hectares of only RM12,000 (as in the contract), but his loss in revenue was almost RM410,000. This does not include losses for planting the crop, labor etc.

In other words, make sure you have a strong liability clause in your contract with the landowner, eg. a business disruption compensation clause.

Yes, 1st year usually you shouldn't expect absolute profits, but the first crop is also normally the best. If you do get it right the first time, you could see about 80% premium crops; do take note, as the years go by, the quality of the crop will drop despite fertilizer applications etc. Also, if your area is unlucky, you could have fusarium setting in within 3 years, making future cultivation almost impossible.
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This is really a good motivation news. Shall look into this once I finished off my current work.
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post Dec 15 2011, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 15 2011, 08:09 AM)
Mr Farmer:

Sounds like you are planning something serious.

I feel I need to put a qualifier here: you have to have good distribution network if you want to fetch the best prices possible. Using the example above, 100 hectares will give on average 2,250,000kg of banana crop. If on average a medium sized fruit vendor would take in 10 bunches (ie around 100 combs) a week, at 15kg per bunch, you would thus need to find 3,750 buyers to take up 150kg of banana each week for a month. Wholesalers would normally give pretty low prices, but they would easily take up 1,000kg each week, but you would still need to find more than 500 wholesalers.

Of course, if you can export like the guy above, then your problem is not as bad lar. But really, the No.1 issue for rapidly perishable crop such as banana is marketing and logistics. Next is quality and quantity.
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notworthy.gif No worries, not looking at such a massive project. Just starting with a small acreage and some fringe of land in the rubber plantation (perimeter). Already have some (mix) banana planted in between young rubber plant-lets. Production is so little and inconsistent as we are transplanting the sucklings. So I started to went around collecting from other planters.

Spoke with a land owner who told me that there is this family (business) that specialize in planting and selling banana wholesale. They go around their area renting up all idle land to plant banana. Hence I got this idea and started looking into this. Shall start converting a 2 acres land to plant just banana for trial 1st.

Yes, wholesaler pays lower, but on the bright side we found 3 who takes all our produce and pays cash as soon as we download. We do not have that much banana anyway and they also take our other products like tapioca, pumpkins, Sukun, Avocado & etc.

Also from my experience Banana is still better than green vegetables (perishable), which can easily go for about a week or more.
You are absolutely right, and from my experience too, Production, Marketing, Logistic, Quality & Quantity. Having to move forward and backward in between to fine tune, before moving forward again.

It's not easy to be a farmer biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 20 2011, 08:09 AM)
Yea... New Zealanders tend to lead a more laid back kind of life. It is all about self-sufficiency over there.

The udang galah isn't native to New Zealand, but they do culture it. Huka Prawn Park at Taupo does it very well, and I believe they are the only ones doing it.

Actually, you know what? I think I'll just put the link here for everyone:
http://www.hukaprawnpark.co.nz/history

Look at this, and see the difference between how Malaysians do things, and how others do things. I mean, same same do earth pond culture, but they make it so much more interesting. I believe New Zealanders and Australians have a very good outlook about the things they do: they always have fun. No point investing hundreds of thousands of dollars, and not enjoy the place, right? Also, they seem to firmly believe in giving anyone who visits a most memorable experience. Like picking and eating fresh cherries in the orchard, or going crabbing and cooking up freshly caught crabs on the boat, things like that.

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drool.gif I'm so impressed. They can make a prawn breeding farm to be like a resort. These guys are really great. Maybe 1 day we can do this to our farm, turn it into a resort.
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Merry Christmas Guys.
Summing up my performance for 2010.
Planning my strategy for year 2012.
Looking at crops with minimal care
Short Term crops
Field Corns
Groundnuts
Pumpkins/Winter Melon
Sweet Potatoes

Mid Term crops
Bananas
Yam (for area prone to floods)

Any other suggestion guys?

Also had not come up with an effective / simple / cheap / weed management. Anyone with experience in this?

Happy New Year!
Looking forward to the new year. Experience and confidence had been accumulated and shall be put to good use.
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Dec 25 2011, 09:52 PM)
My Focus & Strategy for 2012 is as follows :-

12ac :-
Finish planting the below
- Nangka (90% planted)
- Banana (20%)
- Longan (0%)
- Jambu Batu (0%)
- Jambu Air (0%)
- Durian (20%)
- Rear Chicken for Short-Term Cash Flow

6ac :
- Fertilise & Prune the trees
- 6-9 months will see the performance of the trees
- Then MORE Pruning
2.7ac :
- Plant Durians...
- Rear Chicken for Short-Term Cash Flow

Next year is a hectic year and hope by CNY 2013 it will be a fruitful & bountiful harvest....
** For my friends out there, please prepare yourself for heavy rainfall & possible flooding next year **
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Wow, I love durian, nangka & longan. Do organize a trip to your farm during fruiting season thumbup.gif Must plant some durians so that I have some to eat.

Say Para, how are you managing the weeds? It seems like a loosing battle, I always get over run by weeds.

Are you expecting extremely heavy rain fall for 2012?
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 27 2011, 01:18 PM)
Mr Farmer:

If you don't want to use herbicides, then try mechanical control ie lawnmower/lance slasher. If machinery is not your ideal, then use biological control. Goats are very aggressive grass feeders, and they eat almost anything made from plants, even wood. Hard to control them though, as they are brilliant escape artists. More manageable are geese and guinea fowl (ayam mutiara). Both birds need to graze, and they graze a lot especially geese. Both also control bugs and other creepy crawlies like snakes, and can be very good guard-dogs. Kept both before, quite alright except geese are bloody fierce, while guinea fowls are super noisy, especially the females.

Am using herbicides
1) Glyphosate Isopropylamine (41%) Glyso 410 Agr Smart. For slow effect, longer period.
2) Paraquat Dichloride (13%) Halex Paraquat 130. For Quick effect, shorter period.

Am also using Knack Sack grass cutter to trim.

We usually plough land, then have a spray run of herbicides before we plant. Like we are planting pumpkins, the weeds are also growing and can easily catch up with our crops. We can only do manual grass clearing (which is too slow) as it's too tricky to use the grass cutter.

Am experimenting with the planting distance, say 5' X 3', train the veins more towards the 3 initially, and maybe we can do a trim / spray run on the 5 before they mature /flower. Any suggestions?

Can't use biological at the moment as the farm is not fenced and we and our neighbors have other crops that may be eaten too. Oh yes, we use to have geese during my childhood days. They are terrific good guard dogs. We had 3 males and a female, they (the 3 males) are fierce.


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QUOTE(elmer @ Dec 27 2011, 10:08 AM)
I need input from all the sifus here. I have an offer to take over an existing 8 Acres of fish farm. Farm has been running for 2 yrs and has another 8 years on the lease for the land (still renewable after that). Farm has been rearing mainly Tilapias and a bit of Soon Hock. There are a total of 8 ponds there. Owner is selling the whole business for about RM 300 k and he will give everything lock, stock and barrel including the pumps, generators, and everything that he has built for the farm.

Can anyone tell me if Tilapia still have big demands out there? According to him, the demand is more than supply currently. Also let me know if 300k is fair value to take over his business.
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HI elmer,
At 1 time I was looking into buying a farm, went to see about 10 farms. When I inquire about the reason, most of them give a general "standard" answer, which may or may not be true.

Lease on the land, kindly check properly as the owner can take back prematurely and compensation is usually not much. Lots of fixture can not be moved, like the ponds. I see a lot of these happens to even shop lots.

Are you an experienced agriculturist? If not, then most probably you may not maximize the 8 acres. Like maybe you are just testing with 1 pond, rest is not productive but you are paying for the rental. Labors / workers / helpers?

Conditions of machinery. Machinery maybe be expensive to repair / maintain unless you DIY.

300 K, you are then stuck with his problems. Can you solve those? How much more do you need to dump in before it's profitable? Work out you budget. You farming full time ( budget in your expenses) or part time. Say should you decide to stop, just like the 1st owner, how much can you salvage?

Compare what is the advantage / dis-advantage , saving / higher cost to starting your own farm? Owner can consider just selling off the machinery?

I am sure you would had look into all these. I am one of those who just jump into farming without without much consideration ( mong cha cha). Once into it, work hard, work smart and have great faith, it shall turn out well.

"according to him" Kindly do your own market studies. When I planted eggplant it was $1.80/kg "according to the middleman", when I start producing price is $0.50. When I planted pumpkin, middleman told me $1.00 / kg, 2 weeks ago, fell to $0.30/kg. (farm gate price)

Some good news for you. I see the Tilapia sellers taking orders for live fish, delivery during CNY since October. Here (east Malaysia, interior town) selling @ $12.50 (live, retail). They charge extra for delivery. Live fishes signifies "abundance" for the Chinese during CNY. Wishing you the best. Do keep us update, let us know whether you are "in" or not.



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