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MrFarmer
post Dec 28 2011, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 28 2011, 02:20 PM)
Mr Farmer:

Heheh... This may or may be useful for you. I experimented with intercropping pumpkin/winter squash with trees like starfruit, longan and Vietnamese apples. The following are my findings:

(i) The trees shade off the weeds very effectively, thereby controlling their growth. Areas outside of the shade and root zone of the trees tended to be a lot more weedier. This was especially true for the Vietnamese apples and longan. Starfruit not so much, as my trees tended to have less dense foliage.

(ii) Growth of the pumpkin/squash vines were quite good; the one treated with Para's liquid fertilizer mix has been doing exceptionally well. The good growth may be in part due to the trellis line (ie improvised fencing line) about 1.5 feet from the shade zone, which allowed the creeping vine to grow onto, while excluding other weeds from smothering the vines. A similar plant grown to creep on the ground is doing quite poorly, as it had to compete intensely with the weeds. It appears that pumpkin/squash require little sunlight during the initial grow-out stage, but require full sun for flowering and fruiting.

(iii) Raised planting beds were found to be a key ingredient in successful grow-out of the vines. Experiment indicated that vines grown on raised beds managed to establish almost 5x faster than those on flat-ground.

If weeding is a major headache for you, I suggest using silvershine mulch on the immediate growing area of the pumpkin vine. Your planting density looks OK; some growers plant about 14,000 vines per acre.

i) Yes, very true. I find it true for the Avocado trees & Buah Sukun (Breadfruit) trees too. The problem is than I can't find plants that can grow well inside the shade too. These trees were already in the land and are planted way too near. Can only use this place to place some compost, take off sucklings from the Buah Sukun, plant-lets from the Avocado and there is a patch of Pisang Emas (corm) at the fringe that keeps on producing sucklings.
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ii)" about 1.5 feet from the shade zone," Is this 1.5' from the ground within the shaded zone, or 1.5' out of the shaded zone? I grow mine under full sun light. Those covered with heavy weeds, don't do well at all. I read in an article that it's better to grow pumpkins on the ground rather than fence as the secondary roots help to produce bigger fruits. I actually wanted to try winter melon / Labu putih on fence, but decided against it. Started some bottle gourd on fence. I think winter melon produce bigger fruits on fence. Using chicken dung, plough into soil before planting, supplemented with Super Green (kenso organic slow release), and Zargro Star Blue (flowering/fruiting).

iii) Yes, my testing so far also indicates this to be true. It produce faster growing plants, thicker vines, bigger leaves and most important bigger fruits. Expecting some big fruits on the way.
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I think growing pumpkins on raised bed, with the vines touching the soil produce bigger fruits. The secondary roots help supply nutrient? We are doing weeding by hand and arranging the vines to prevent it from "flying" before /during flowering stage.
Shall be trying some on raised ridge/hill (vs bed).

Had not use silvershine because
1 Can not find a supplier here yet
2 Maybe cost is high (here)
3 Secondary roots can not establish
4 Watering disruption (not sure)? As are using rain fed supplemented with water spraying.
5 Am thinking/ planning to use rice straw, maybe a better alternative?, but could not find any yet. Think it's a waste to the rice farmer.

This pumpkins is a very interesting subject. This family is just too wide and many types. In the market they just refer it to be Labu Kuning or Labu Putih only. As we are wholesaling by weight, am also studying if Labu putih has a better weight because of the density ( labu kuning center is empty). Thankfully the farm gate price had risen back slightly. Hope to have a more consistence pumpkin crops next year once we finalize our trail & error test. Maybe can produce a super huge pumpkin thumbup.gif

Another test, we find that pumpkins germinated directly grow faster vs transplanted.
Other problems we had are pest, rodents and even ants & termites converting the pumpkin to nest during the raining season.
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post Dec 30 2011, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(M_century @ Dec 29 2011, 10:31 AM)
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I found this thread to be very interesting, been reading from page 1. I hope I can learn more from all the experience people from here on agriculture.

Anyone here has any experience on chili fertigation?
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Hi M-century, welcome to our community.
Just curious, why chili and why fertigation? Do you have any personal experience / training?

I'm also a newbie, and a mong cha cha 1. Planted some chili, traditional way, on ground.


Added on December 30, 2011, 7:18 pm
QUOTE(chinyen @ Dec 29 2011, 11:56 AM)
anyone has reliable tigerworm supplier contact? finally found a place to rear them..^^
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HI chinyen, welcome back. Where's your new place? Can visit? biggrin.gif

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post Jan 2 2012, 06:52 PM

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What's wrong with my pumpkin? Too much water?
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This fruit weights 13kg.

Update on pumpkins.
1) Planting on raised bed is definitely (Irrigated on & off, on dry days) better than flat ground / slope (rain fed).
Fruits sizes 6 to 13.5 kg Vs 0.8 to 5 kg.

Personally, I prefer fruit size of 5 ~ 8 kg as I think it's more marketable. Also it spread out the risk.
Our bad fruits
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post Jan 3 2012, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(M_century @ Jan 2 2012, 08:42 PM)
Hi MrFarmer,

I don't have any practical experience at all except some research from internet and a visit to putrajaya MOA regarding this information.
Therefore I'm really looking forward to do it practically.
From MOA info, through fertigation has its advantages and disadvantages.


Advantages :
1) They says the crop yield would at least 2-3 times compare planting on ground. Long term ROI will be higher.
2) Reduces the risk of soil-borne diseases and pest.
3) More efficient and systematic irrigation and fertilization control, apparently less wastage and can eliminate irrigation problem.
4) Somehow better control (not really understand about this)
5) Overall it will give less problem.
6) Can also work for other plant like tomato and few others that I can't really remember should no longer want to plant chili

Disadvantages :
1) Very high investment needed to setup the system. MOA quote about RM20k expenditure just to setup 20' x 100'. In 1 acre alone assume land is square, can have 12 x (20' x 100'), which comes to total cost RM20k x 12 = RM240k!!. I have a partner from construction background, so I hope can significantly reduce the cost by at least 50% hopefully counting myself as labor to setup in order to save cost.
2) Such high investment require extreme dedication and real prudence. I do not want to screw up the whole thing and dissapoint my partner.
3) So the pressure is on despite the strong will to make it work.
4) Chili price has to remain high and higher to sustain the expected return on investment.
5) Any natural calamity will wipe out the heavy investment, so must take measure to evaluating risks such as flood, landslide, etc.

Many other information I have acquired from internet and word of mouth from other people as well. So I really need to have a look at the real working chili fertigation system.
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I'm sure you had looked at all the angles. Should you want to start small for trial, there is the fertigation hobby set, which I think is low cost and can be set up in the back yard.
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From my experience on myself, I am not even 1/4 a worker blush.gif Had not been working in the field for a long time. Guess my helpers consider me as a nuisance, disrupting their work.
Yes, do your budget and plan for all eventuality.
Do keep us update on you journey.
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post Jan 4 2012, 08:36 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Jan 4 2012, 03:38 PM)
hi bro,

if you are interested to visit a commercial chili fertigation system i can point you to one at Kajang.

will post once i get the info biggrin.gif

Added on January 4, 2012, 6:40 pmsurf to this website :- http://my-fertigasi.com/

they have a fertigation course which is quite affordable and they have a commercial farm running
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Say, they have a course on 22nd Jan. Do you know how much they charge?
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QUOTE(loongloong3 @ Jan 4 2012, 11:07 PM)
hi, i am new to this forum and i am interested to understand more about agriculture thingy. To my amaze this forum actually have lots of information regarding agriculture and aquaculture, and failure experience contribution that willing to share with us. good job there!

Ok, i am a greenhorn in this field and hope all of the pros can nourish me like plants. just kidding. Please give me advice as i am thinking whether or not into venturing agriculture line.
  Here is my story, i am not a farmer, and i`m currently working in other sector line which totally different from agri and i 'm base in pj. i'm currently thinking of purchasing an agriculture land using my lifetime saving. The reason i choose agriculture land instead of house is that, erm.... agri land cheaper than house in pj. =P and pj house i can't afford to buy too expensive and bank wont loan me that much.

  At first i think of just simpan the land and wait for land harga naik for long term. But this is not good coz i need to service bank loan and no rental income. Sumore earn salary just to service the loan for long period of years.haiz.. btw currently i'm looking at at 1-2 acre agriland.

  That's y i think its best to make use of the land to plant something rather than leaving there to rott. and i have full time job this makes more unfit to do farming.

All proffesional here please give me hint, guidance for what to do with the land? and i got some silly question to ask , hope all you all dont mind.

1. is there any fast growing plant that doesn't need to take care often?
  like 1 month see 1 time ? through browsing the post , i have come accross some plants like chili, serai, herbs(plenty of herbs there but which wan suits me best?)  and aka wood, or maybe some wormy business ^^ ?

2. if let say plant those crops that mention above, estimate what's the return ? erm.... i know it sounds silly thinking of harvesting already, but honest speaking i need to know what is the return so that i can plan what to plant for me to service the bank.

3. The maintenence of the plant. Well if got any plant which don't need constant care? But i willing to plant them first, and during harvesting i have some foreigner in my line which i can use as manpower but have to pay.

4. theft plantation? if i`m not there for 1 month will my corpse gone? any idea to prevent? i`m thinking if the aka wood thingy will be the best, but 6-10 years before can harvest *_*" i think i will being sued to bankrupt by bank.

Please please nourish me >.<"



Added on January 4, 2012, 11:18 pm5. forgot to ask 1 more. the plants/chili / fruits / bananas/ herbs/ wood/ tongkat ali?? whom to sell? open stall and sell? sell to pasar borong? market ? but i think these middle people will squeeze the price till dry ?is there other alternative place to sell? export? end-user? factory ?
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Welcome to the club loongloong3, do spend some time here, and you'll need to decide, whether Agriculture is the direction you want to go. There is up & down (just as with any business) in Agriculture. Do decide and plan properly before you embark on this or any business plan that you have.
Kindly understand that agriculture land is totally different from housing land. Bank loans, appreciation (or depreciation), disposal (when you sell), land condition, maintenance and etc.
As with any business, higher risk, higher return. Exotic / high value corps give high return. You'll need to start from working out what is your amount to service your bank loan, that is cost of land, amount loaned, repayment period. (FYI last few years when I check, agri land max 45% loan, and this is if you have good relation with the bank, maybe get higher if there is a structure).
Yes, there are plants that needs lesser care and there are plants that need more care. You may also mechanize some manual labor. Here we still have some "gotong royong style" (you help me, I help you method).
My personal experience, theft are mostly petty thief. Not serious. Lost about 6 Cavendish sucklings, about 25 grafted rubber trees, some ripe pumpkins. Personally I don't think this warrant any serious consideration as farm gate prices are just very low.
Just as with any business, there is a vast difference in Farm Gate price to Retail price, just like Factory prices vs Retail prices. Every one has their role to play, and everyone has their own set of expenses. Depending how aggressive is you marketing strategy, there are lots of avenue to market/target your produce. Since it's 1~2 acres, you most probably don't need to worry about exporting yet.
Hope these helps.


Added on January 5, 2012, 8:05 pm
QUOTE(M_century @ Jan 4 2012, 11:31 PM)
I am not someone qualify to say what is right or wrong because I do not have experience in agriculture either. Still doing my research and homework. But these are the mindset I'm going to instil myself with.

1) No shortcut mentality, go all out with 100% dedication fulltime untill desirable outcome.
2) Then refine the system for better efficiency on time spent and cost, while achieving higher yield.
3) The system can never be good enough, it's always and always will be the challenge to fine tune the system that work to make it work better and better.

Some of the homework that I did :-

1) Visit the retail market often including pasar, and hypermarket
2) Pay a visit to MOA at putrajaya (I buta buta go there myself) and yes info can get.
3) Ask around those who has experience (very important)
4) Internet research
5) Ask yourself how far are you willing to go to achieve what you want to achieve.
6) Do a proper planning

Finally...

ACTION!
Anymore direction that can be helpful in research and planning that all the sifu here can give more ?
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Wow, a go getter.
I guess a work progress schedule (clearing, fixture, irrigation), planting and estimated harvesting schedule (amount & date) shall help you prepare better. Securing a market before that shall also help.

Say, where's your farm? Can visit (even during starting?)


Added on January 5, 2012, 8:23 pm
QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Jan 5 2012, 11:48 AM)
Hi All,

It took me few days to finish all the posts here. It is very interesting and provides me information to deal with the problem I had with my land. I have 2 pieces of land which have been abandoned for quite a long times. My new year resolution is to get myself into agriculture and produce a good result from my lands. I have one constraint is the location of my lands are far from where I stay. I work in KL and the lands are in Johor. I am only able to travel back for 1 day every 2 weeks. Therefore, I hired workers to take care of the land now.

1. 5 acres 6 years old Oil Palm tree.   
Issue
- Weeds
- Pests
- Low production – only able to get 3.1 tones last month. Not able to get previous data. I only know the highest production is about 6 tones.
- Some trees also have infection.

2. 7 acres Fruit farm ( Durian, Langsat, Cempedak)
Issue
- weeds
- pests ( lots of termites )
- durian and cempedak trees have infection.

I will continue to post my journey and photo( how to post pictures?) to battle the issues in my farms.

May I know is there any reference/books/guide available for durian tree? I just planted 35 musang king in the fruit farm 2 months ago, there are 5 trees already said goodbye to me now.  cry.gif
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Hi Kg Teratai,
Weeds in plantation, we are having good success with Glyphosate Isopropylamine 41% + 2,4-D Butyl Ester 45% + Wetting agent in the rubber plantation.
As for low production, guess you'll need to find out the actual caused. Once rectified you may want to look at EM (effective Microbes / Enzyme).
Guess you are doing alright, since you've already identified your problem, un-like me, when I started, don't even know what is wrong. Just keep working on it.

I post pic by 1st loading it to Photobucket http://photobucket.com/
Hope these helps.


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post Jan 8 2012, 06:59 PM

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Banana Trees
Anyone knows how to identify Banana Trees by looking at the tree (no fruits). Would like to learn how to identify trees like Berangan, Cavendish, Emas, Kerling, Tanduk, Rubus, susu and etc. Had been searching for a couple of months but could not locate any guide.

Was in a friend's farm, saw this Banana, with red stem.

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Jan 9 2012, 09:39 AM)
Mr Farmer:

There are some ways to make "educated guesses" of banana varieties, but given that most edible varieties are closely related, it is almost always difficult to be absolutely certain.

The following documents should be of great help to anyone wanting to plant banana commercially. They cover a broad number of topics, from diseases and management, to variety, marketing etc.
http://agroforestry.net/tti/Musa-banana-plantain.pdf
http://www.agroforestry.net/tti/Banana-plantain-overview.pdf

Although quite a read, it is very informative.
Thanks Michael, you are right, quite a long read. Downloaded and saved up. Shall keep me busy during my holidays. Yes, going home for CNY holidays in a week's time!

Happy Chinese New Year. May this year bring us abundance health and wealth.

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Jan 9 2012, 09:37 PM)
Yup, too much drastic changes in weather, i.e. long drought then suddenly rainy season, or vice versa.

Some of your fruits got eaten by shrews lei. But nonetheless, nice yield!!

Thanks Michael.
All along I though it was rodent. Did a Wikipedia on shrew, and they are not rodent. More linked to mole. Anyway those areas that have heavy weeds have this problem. We are clearing off the weeds just as it starts to flower. Harvest fruits as soon as it's mature enough and not wait for it to be fully ripe on field. Hope to reduce this "lost".
This batch is the highest yield to date. It's the batch we we tried on the raised bed. It's about a quarter of an acre, divided into 2 beds. We managed about 1.4 tons. Am waiting for a few more fruits, then shall organize replanting. Am also testing on "ridge" and "hills". Would also like to try Labu Putih (winter melon/gourd) on a fence/ raise structure, but am worry about the secondary roots not able to get nutrient from the soil.


Added on January 11, 2012, 7:23 pm
QUOTE(M_century @ Jan 10 2012, 02:19 AM)
Just 4 days, and there's already so much update.

The land clearing work will start after CNY holidays.

I'll post photo when the construction starts after clearing works.

MrFarmer, you are more than welcome to visit my farm, and also all the bros here are all welcome. Good to do sharing of knowledge and experience so everyone can improve. So far I only have the theories.
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Oh yes, we can go for tea close to CNY. I do have just a little experience in land clearing. Say, maybe I' try to get others to meet up, Yam Cha and talk Agri.

Para? Michael? got free time? My treat.
Anyone interested?

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Jan 11 2012, 10:23 PM)
well CNY should be ok.

where would we be meeting ?
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Anywhere in KL. Cheras can, Kajang also can (satay brows.gif ) 17th onwards.
Who wants to volunteer to organize?

Attendance
1) Para
2) Kg_teratai
3) M-century (you in?)
4) Mr Farmer

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QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Jan 16 2012, 02:06 PM)
i believe everyone is rushing on CNY celebration. Should we fix the venue and time first? Then we can confirm participant list.
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Oh yes, Just reached KL.
Let's see which is a better date / venue / time
19th?
20th?

Venue : How about Old Town White Coffee, Jalan Cheras Opposite Taman Midah? We (Para & me) met there last time

Time : how about Night? 7 or 8 pm? Or afternoon?
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Jan 17 2012, 11:20 AM)
We'll talk more after Johnny comes back from Singapore. I can't wait to hear your ideas.

And Johnny, I wonder if you still have your proposal that you wanted to show me 10 years ago?
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Ok, how about:

20th Jan 9.00 pm
Old Town White Coffee, Jalan Cheras, Opposite Taman Midah.

Attedance : Please add your name here, otherwise please add suggestion for date & venue.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Jan 19 2012, 12:18 PM)
Sorry guys, I need to be excused again this time. Just received directive from the "Big Man".... We've just clinched a RM3 billion deal for aquaculture in Sabah. Need to do the groundwork soon.
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That's great. See you in Sabah rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Jan 20 2012, 08:54 AM)
20th Jan 9.00 pm
Old Town White Coffee, Jalan Cheras, Opposite Taman Midah.

Attedance : Please add your name here, otherwise please add suggestion for date & venue.
Mr. Farmer
Kg Teratai (may be slightly late due to family dinner)
M_Century
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There's just 3 of us, and Kg Teratai has a dinner to attend.
Guest everyone is rushing for the holidays.
Maybe postpone to after CNY?
Maybe February?
Any suggestions?
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QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Jan 20 2012, 01:33 PM)
I am on for both also. But will be reach there about 10pm tonight.
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Ok 2nite 10 pm then. See you guys there. PM u my Hp.
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Jan 20 2012, 07:54 PM)
ok great then we have another one on Feb 1st, 2012... biggrin.gif
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Sorry can't make it on the 1st, going to Thailand, back on 1st night. Have a good meet and please keep us updated.

Just the three of us met on the 20th night.
It was fun, exchanging perception, ideas and outlook on agriculture.
Kg-teratai on his newly take-over of his Palm oil plantation. Think this is a good time to keep track on his "adventure" as we too can learn.
M-century on his new fertigation chili farm. Starting after CNY. We can also learn from his new "adventure".
A big welcome to them for joining our community. Wishing them success in their up coming venture.
As for me, rclxm9.gif am on holiday till 20th Feb

Happy Chinese New Year.
Wishing all our wishes come true for the coming years with excess and abundance health and wealth.

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Anyone knows of any good Agriculture supplies shop near Selangor area?
Looking to buy some cheap Spraying Shields (control spraying/wind draft resistance) and small tools/supplies.
Selling rather high at E/Malaysia ($20) for a small plastic thingy and our DIY is too flimsy.
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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Feb 8 2012, 12:09 AM)
any guys work in plantation b4?

hows it like?
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Had visited quite a numbers of plantation, but had never worked there. What is it you want to know?


Added on February 8, 2012, 4:07 pm
QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Feb 7 2012, 07:32 PM)
Its OUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
FEBRUARY 2012 ISSUE -

FEBRUARY 2012 Newsletter Issue
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Herbs : Saffron ( 藏红花)
The most expensive herbs.
Anyone knows if we can plant this in Malaysia successfully?

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Feb 9 2012, 11:42 PM)
greenfield project... land not even acquired yet... still looking  doh.gif
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You may want to look @ East Kalimantan. The Russian is building a railway (about 180 km inland) to bring out coal, hence opening vast area of land for agriculture.

Since you shall have between 2K to 3.5K people working there, I'm sure the living condition shall not be too bad, unlike those that I visited, just a shed for us to stay overnight.

If you need a traveling companion, you can always look me up. Can accompany you on your field trip, traveling expenses on you biggrin.gif .
In Jogjakarta now, back end of the month
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QUOTE(insearching @ Feb 19 2012, 11:03 PM)
Hello Mr Farmer,

It is possible for us as Malaysian to own a large scale of agriculture lands at Indonesia?

I would like to apologize in advance if I have offended you.

But if it is possible, I would like to buy some land at there as well with the condition that is the price of the agriculture land must be affordable.

Thank you
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Kindly refer to Michael J's post. Sorry am not familiar with Indonesia's requirement as I've never explored/ experience these in Indonesia.

Since you are willing to travel even to Kalimatan, you may want to consider land in Sarawak / Sabah first (at least it's part of Malaysia).
Maybe if you can be more specific on "some land", what acreage? and affordable, price $ (it's very subjective).
Coincidentally just spoke with a guy from Sepang, whom I just met this afternoon at the KFC outlet at the KK LCT. No we were not having a fight with the KFC staff biggrin.gif I arrived and am waiting for a cab to take me to Keningau and he just came out from his farm in Beautfort, waiting for his flight home. This gentleman bought a "share" of a land totaling 200 acres with a couple of friends and planted Palm oil. His "share" is for 20 acres and he paid 28K per acre (10K for land and 18K for the initial planting). He feels it's cheap and is very happy with his investment.

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