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TSParaOpticaL
post Feb 22 2011, 12:08 PM

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well not to pour cold water. if he is still stubborn he final point will be failure. unless you are telling me he has like 500k or 5M as cash to sustain. RM 50k isnt much.

You got a point on breeding tilapia 1st then moving up the value chain. i agree with you on this BUT still dont move into Soon Hock because it just aint worth it.

Grouper or Barramundi (aka Siakap) would be a better choice.

When the fishes hide its difficult to feed them and also count & measure. that's why people rearing in ponds have lining on their ponds to reduce their chances of hiding... biggrin.gif

ps : tell him dont be stubborn unless he would like to fail. even ppl in the breeding industry is of the same opinion. Just my 2cents worth

QUOTE(happy_gal @ Feb 20 2011, 09:35 PM)
hmm.. he never tell me exactly what is his plan or action item.. jz told me that he want to breed this fish lor..

last sat we went over to talk to a fish farmer who is also a breeder.. he also said that breeding soon hock is really diff.. he's in the breeding industry for 20yrs liao and he took 3 years to breed.. can breed and some of it was successful bt the death rate is freaking high and it cant grow big..

like he mentioned those fish grow very slowly.. those mosquito larvae, water insects which got in can easily grow faster and bigger and in the end the soon hock fries become their food o.. i also told him eh u serious bout this ar? so many ppl already mentioned that its so diff... why cant u start with something more simpler like tilapia??

get the money turning d then oni go and do ur research and breeding on this soon hock lah.. he damn stubborn still say wan to do it.. walao.. and then so stubborn dun wan ppl to guide him..

what happens when the fish like to hide??
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post Feb 22 2011, 02:56 PM

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Go aquarium shop. Buy 10 3" soon hock. Tell him to rear those 10 soon hock for 3 month. If he can grow the fish to 5", then only talk.

The main question here is, why of all type of fish, your bf still wanna do soon hock? breeding some more...zzz

If he can actually breed the fish and rear it to 3" with 5% successful rate (continuous for 6 cycle). He can actually get fisheries grant and no need to spend a dime on hatchery.

Seriously, if he can do that.. a lot of farmer going to start climb up to 14th floor.

(If he is super serious on breeding this fish, He better talk to Prof. Seno in University Malaysia Sabah...).
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post Feb 25 2011, 04:47 PM

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wah seems like its really really difficult to rear soon hock??...

hmm... i dunno why soon hock, prob cause he sees that the profit is the highesT??... no idea..

Why talk to that professor ar??... he is super serious wor.. that prof can help him??

see this is why i hate him so much cause he never wanted to talk to ppl who is ALREADY doing this business and he jz keep saying that he want to do it.. i dont get it..

everytime also keep having this thinking that other ppl will c him as competitor and will not give him advice...



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post Feb 28 2011, 03:45 PM

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There's a few people which actually manage to breed this fish in the market. However, whether they can produce it every month is questionable. Furthermore, most of them won't share most of the information to stranger.

Prof. Seno is one of the guy that actually successfully breed and rear soon hock till juvenile and capable to repeat it again and again. His survival rate on breeding and rearing the fish is about 5%-10% (data he gave in 2009). The thing with him is, he is an educationists. They published their result in International journal and have proper hatchery and nursery for Marble Goby research. Thus, more reliable. Even if they want to bullshit anyone...there's will be some implication on their status.


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post Feb 28 2011, 04:03 PM

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It's surprised to know that, agriculture can make money. I am currently studying agribusiness. So i guess i should just cancel the idea of course switching.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:34 PM

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it aint NO suprise at all. Agriculture can make money. it's the starting few years of the capital outlay that is difficult.

so there is a future in agriculture

QUOTE(Fanniethoo @ Feb 28 2011, 04:03 PM)
It's surprised to know that, agriculture can make money. I am currently studying agribusiness. So i guess i should just cancel the idea of course switching.
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post Mar 1 2011, 12:42 PM

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any idea how 2 apply to bcome peneroka felda?
TSParaOpticaL
post Mar 3 2011, 02:30 PM

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going to felda to enquire

QUOTE(endau02 @ Mar 1 2011, 12:42 PM)
any idea how 2 apply to bcome peneroka felda?
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post Mar 3 2011, 07:15 PM

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Para:

Agree with you.
TSParaOpticaL
post Mar 8 2011, 09:11 PM

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i am currently seeking individuals with agriculture qualifications doing sales & after sales in Fertiliser Related Company.

PM me if interested.
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post Mar 10 2011, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(VictimWayneFauser @ Jan 28 2010, 04:38 PM)
Sorry guys, post the wrong url of the Police Report Blog.

This is the correct ones.

http://thewormman-police-report.blogspot.c...an-scam-to.html

Since the creation of the BLOG, we have get few more victims in Malaysia who has depart with their hard-earned money but is not given a piece of worm.

We also has been contacted by Australian worm farmers who has been cheated by Wayne Fauser, the so called Worm Man.

From our talk, Wayne Fauser has a police arrest warrant in Australian airports.

Visit our blog for updates.

Thanks!

Victims of Wayne Fauser, the so called worm man
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if i'm not mistaken, our moa's o ministry of waste management has this worm man logo as one of the partner-organisation on the blog


Added on March 10, 2011, 11:34 pm
QUOTE(rexis @ Apr 10 2008, 11:08 PM)
Oh! That is something new for me! Feed composted stuff to earthworms.

Yeah, like MJ mentioned, earthworms go for rotten stuff first, as they do not hv the teeth to chew them up.

That would explain why the hell did my cabbage stayed in the worm bin for one whole week before i remove it  laugh.gif
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commercially, before feeding the food to the worms, the food is treated with bokashi to speed up the decomposition process. bokashi can be purchased in a small bottle (less than 1 litre) in some hardware or gardening store


Added on March 10, 2011, 11:50 pm
QUOTE(ROTiJOHN @ Apr 6 2008, 10:16 PM)
anyone got Melaka cow farm contact number?would like to contact them .
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you use cow manure to feed your worms?

This post has been edited by chinyen: Mar 10 2011, 11:50 PM
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post Mar 12 2011, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(chinyen @ Mar 10 2011, 11:07 PM)
if i'm not mistaken, our moa's o ministry of waste management has this worm man logo as one of the partner-organisation on the blog

If you are referring to the Wormman who is a very fat Australian Wayne Fauser, I'd seen in Sabah while attending a talk on composting. I think he had close his business and had team up with some local partner, he is now the Chief Operating Officer of Waynetech Holdings Sdn Bhd. There is also a picture of him here http://biomass-sp.net/gallery5.html Scroll down.

commercially, before feeding the food to the worms, the food is treated with bokashi to speed up the decomposition process. bokashi can be purchased in a small bottle (less than 1 litre)  in some hardware or gardening store


Added on March 10, 2011, 11:50 pm
There are couple of methods to do this, depending on what you are after.

you use cow manure to feed your worms?
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Yes you can, but to be feasible, try to use local waste (save cost/transport)
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post Mar 13 2011, 04:26 PM

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mr.farmer, are you involved in vermiculture? do you have your own farm? can have a look?
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QUOTE(chinyen @ Mar 13 2011, 04:26 PM)
mr.farmer, are you involved in vermiculture? do you have your own farm? can have a look?
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No not yet. I did lots of research since last year, went to attend some talks, did some simple testing, and am still trying to built a flow through worm bin. I already have some idea on how to go about it, but unfortunately the welding set broke down. Hence I shall have to push it till the end of the year, also I am working on trying some F1 Thailand Sweet Corn. What I'm trying to do now is to leave these worm on their natural habitat, grow them and try to propagate the super sized ones smile.gif The super sized is about 10 ~15 mm in diameter.
Let's see if I can manage to post a pic, me am not good in IT.
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Am trying to feed them with waste material, contributing to recycling and also save on cost.

It's complicated, I do not "own" this farm, this particular piece of land is rented from the land owner by us and i refer this land as Parcel 5.
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If anyone has any new/funny idea to test out on agriculture, I can help, of course I'll still need to slot it into our schedule and if we have the required facilities.

Help needed, any1 has experience in dealing with ants problem, simple/low cost? Would like to manage/reduce the ant population. There are all types of ants here, fire ants, red ants, black ants, termites & etc. It can be organic/ non-organic or whatever, (try to be environmental friendly)

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post Mar 13 2011, 11:19 PM

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vermicompost is not a very hard thing to venture into.

The problem is when it comes to marketing the compost.

Unless you market it yourself..the profit margin will be significantly low.

Oh and remember,vermicompost need alot trial and error to get the most efficient output. Dont follow by the book.
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post Mar 14 2011, 03:55 PM

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where is your farm located ?
or Parcel 5

thanks

Johnny

QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Mar 13 2011, 05:54 PM)
No not yet. I did lots of research since last year, went to attend some talks, did some simple testing, and am still trying to built a flow through worm bin. I already have some idea on how to go about it, but unfortunately the welding set broke down. Hence I shall have to push it till the end of the year, also I am working on trying some F1 Thailand Sweet Corn. What I'm trying to do now is to leave these worm on their natural habitat, grow them and try to propagate the super sized ones  smile.gif  The super sized is about 10 ~15 mm in diameter.
Let's see if I can manage to post a pic, me am not  good in IT.
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Am trying to feed them with waste material, contributing to recycling and also save on cost.

It's complicated, I do not "own" this farm, this particular piece of land is rented from the land owner by us and i refer this land as Parcel 5.
user posted image

If anyone has any new/funny idea to test out on agriculture, I can help, of course I'll still need to slot it into our schedule and if we have the required facilities.

Help needed, any1 has experience in dealing with ants problem, simple/low cost? Would like to manage/reduce the ant population. There are all types of ants here, fire ants, red ants, black ants, termites & etc. It can be organic/ non-organic or whatever, (try to be environmental friendly)
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post Mar 14 2011, 08:31 PM

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yeah..where's your farm?

and about marketing the compost...i don't really think it's that easy...instead, i thought of using the same compost and grow something.

by the way, can food waste like cut-away meat part be fed to chicken and dog? any vet here? would it be unhealthy for these animals? i don't mean that chicken and dog only eating these wastes but just a bit out of a day's diet.

because from what i saw at my friend's house (in the middle of malacca's oil palm plantation) his mother rears chickens,geese, ducks and turkeys there. she has a dog too which she fed them with those kitchen wastes whenever she cooks.


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post Mar 14 2011, 10:24 PM

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This land I'm working on, Parcel 5 is in Sabah.

As with all business, everything is 'not easy'. If it were, then every1 would be doing it smile.gif I fully subscribe to the belief if you can solve 'the problem' by providing the best solution at the lowest cost, fastest time while making the recipient feels great, you'll have a good chance of making it successfully. Doing business was never easy, and never will. blush.gif just my 2sen. I guess this was one of the reason the TS started this 'Venturing into Agriculture & Aquaculture'

Vermicompost, I'm starting this for own use, hence no need to worry about the marketing at the moment. I'll gladly share with you guys when I do the marketing biggrin.gif My present short term goal is just to rehabilitate the land, at the same time doing a bit of recycling of waste material and learning (hopefully ) gaining some farming experience.

Food Waste, we also feed the chicken (Kampung) and dogs with these everyday. Meat waste are cooked, hence it takes care of the hygiene aspect. Fruits / vege are just given as is. The few Kampung chicken is having a feast of tapioca these few days as we are still clearing the Parcel 5. Of course the tapioca were offered to all our neighbors first and those remainder (small size / partially rotten) are given to the Chicken. Talking about tapioca, they can become quite a nuisance, as it difficult to rid them off. We are currently picking up all the branches (collecting into pile and dry it) and digging up the tapioca. Any1 has a better/faster option on how to go about this?

Got some results with the ants today, but i guess the result is just a short term thing as it's raining everyday, washing away the insecticide. Any suggestion on a long term solution?


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post Mar 15 2011, 11:36 AM

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** There will be a agri & aqua enthusiast gathering on the


9th of APRIL 2011 - Saturday @ Nando's Mid Valley
7.30pm SHARP SHARP



updates on PAGE 1

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post Mar 15 2011, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Jan 26 2007, 02:14 PM)
There will be another meet up for the Agriculture and Aquaculture Enthusiast.

Date : 9th April 2011
Venue : NANDO's, Mid Valley Kuala Lumpur
Time : 7.30pm SHARP


Attendees :-

1) ParaOptical (CONFIRMED)
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may i know what topics will you discuss on during the meeting? is it ok for me to join if i don't have much to share? because i dont think i have much experience...i guess i'd be asking questions most of the time... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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