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This post has been edited by Haridass: Jul 13 2010, 08:05 AM

hey,

yes i think the programme is still on. its from the OUM website.
you can still check with them

Does any of of you here know any Jade Perch breeder in Malaysia?

just starting to raise red tilapia, patin, jelawat in my old tanki.

I'm finding pond Liner below RM10 /m2. Anywhere? Any idea?

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This post has been edited by gecodine: Oct 4 2010, 11:15 AM

Is there anyone here can provide me some info on Jade perch breeding. I'm looking for supplier contact which sell the technology use to breed and grow jade perch. if there any place that got provide the jade perch fries or underlings , do pm me.

hi guys, i was wondering, do anyone of your ponds are feeding rice bran to the fishes? please pm me if you are doing so we might have business to talk about

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hi rexis & para, stumbled upon this thread. you 2 have started on ur own agriculture/ aquaculture business yet?

i'm interested in both ... however sometimes i doubt myself because i have no agriculture background, i'm automation + IT background.

i'm learning from internet and have a consultant, visit few farms to learn ... confidence level is increasing, but still waiting the right time to tender resignation and put my theory into action.

maybe 2 of u can share some knowledge or advice.

replied your PM

jz wanna know.. what is the market right now comparing between rear fish for consumption ... and BREED ornamental fish??...

which 1 brings in faster income and also higher profit?...

and to compare, which 1 takes less time to get the end result??

pls advice.. thanks..

Hey Rexis, Para. Long time no see lar.. How are you guys? I trust your agribusinesses have soared.

Just to update you guys, I'm no longer working as a plant scientist for the plantation business. Instead, I've hung up my labcoat and I'm now working for the government to further develop the biotech industry.

Maybe I could answer happy_gal on the question asked:
Don't take this the wrong way, but I see that your aptitude for business is still green. Any business will take time to mature, and of all businesses, agriculture takes the longest. Compare apple to apple lar... Not those who cheat people to part with their money sort...

Para, correct me if I'm wrong on this. The average ROI for an established ornamental/commercial fish farm is between 15% to 25%; exceptional ones can and do make above 30%, but that's only when demand for specific fish breeds are high, like grouper or snapper. In terms of time to get end result, well that really depends; poorly planned and executed, business can fold within a month or less, but I don't think that's the result you are looking for. Adequately planned, it can take 2-3 years before the business gets sure footing, and begins generating real profits.

Correct me if I'm wrong, happy_gal, but I'm guessing when you refer to ornamental fish, you are refering to breeding arowanas, right? A real hot item these days, but entirely unsustainable. Don't get me wrong, I'm all about breeding and conserving the fish; I just can't justify 250,000 fishes selling at an average of RM3,000 (or RM750million sales) a year having a sustainable pool of buyers. I just hope that the arowana does not end up like the Flowerhorn.

hi.
i'm an IT student in one of local university. this is my last semester of my study.
after finish my degree, i want to go into agriculture and aquaculture.

my plan is to do aquaculture first because my family already have a pond at my hometown. im from sarawak.
for the start, i want to start with raising tilapia fish.

really need a guide on how to start. what should i do first?

this is the layout of the land in sarawak. the land is 5 ekar. the one i mark with red is the pond.
the size of the pond is around 25000 sq feet.
last year we already try to put 1000 tilapia to test. and after 6 month, the average of the fish is 750g ~ 1kg.



please advice.

This post has been edited by apengfx-: Jan 12 2011, 03:07 PM

hi Para.
i read all the page in this threat.
is there still any meet up you guys organize?

IMHO generally Ornamental Fish is more lucrative based on the market now as the demand is good but the con is ornamental fishes die faster than those fish for consumption as they are more delicate and requires more resources.

but on the long term, fish for breeding is more sustainable



Bro Michael, thanks for meeting me up and educating me so much on plantations...appreciate it very much

i agree with your answer to happy_gal. aquaculture is a long term business. it takes time to stabilise and grow the business. short term will actually hurt you. think medium and long term.

cashflow is important for aquaculture business. dont take this lightly.

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Added on January 16, 2011, 10:58 pmhi apenfx,

good that you are interested in Agri & Aquaculture.

guide ?

1) get the fries. the amount you want. 1000 ?
2) ensure you have enough areator to make sure enough oxygen **IMPORTANT**
3) calculate how much fish feed you need per serving to the fish.
4) you must know your Feed Conversion Ratio (FCR). How much feed is needed for the fish to gain weight.

5) (this is personal) i am dealing in Fish Feed Supplement. Interested you can PM me. TQ


The remaining land you can plant something as cash crop.



This post has been edited by ParaOpticaL: Jan 16 2011, 10:58 PM

after so many request for meetups.

we will be having one after CNY.

The meet up will be in Kuala Lumpur.

Hi,

Can i join the meet up as i'm entirely new to this industry.

My father start up with a small pond beside our house to breed Tilapia Fish (we live in kampung). Currently, i got plan to venture my father hobby to become commercial tilapia breeding business as we got quite big empty land beside our house. Need advice from all the experts:-

1. Expected cost to build 3 big ponds & oxygen engine.
2. Who can i market the tilapia fish.
3. Outlook of tilapia fish business in Malaysia...dying business or growing?
4. Currently, we have around 3,000 fish in the small pond, possible to let them breed by itself or i need more small fish?

klchong:

Put it this way, tilapia production is the second largest freshwater fish production in the world. There are many buyers, and the trend, especially in the US is increasing, since tilapia is considered by many to be a sustainable fish species. Compared to pangasius (aka patin), acceptance of tilapia by the food production industry is generally good over there.

However, in Malaysia, there's still a lot of stigma associated with the fish. Many Malaysians consider tilapia a trash fish, and even a "poor man's fish". At one point, red tilapia was doing very well, being sold as "cherry snapper", until that advertisement came up informing people that cherry snapper is actually red tilapia. Pangasius on the other hand is extremely popular (sutchi, basa, "dory", etc.).

My suggestion is that you go get fries of the new hybrid variety, which is >95% male. Male tilapia grow a lot faster than females, and a lot more uniform. In addition, monosex culture tend to produce larger fish. Mixed sex cultures tend to result in over-crowding and competition for food, and therefore smaller fish. Remember, tilapia reach sexual maturity very fast, so having females in the pond is not such a great idea.

Alternatively, if you could, try sourcing pure Mozambique tilapia (Oreochromis mossambicus) and Wami tilapia (Oreochromis urolepis hornorum); cross breeding the female of the former with the male of latter will produce a >95% male population in the F1. The tedious part, however, is maintaining the pure lines of those two, in order to ensure that you have stock to recreate the F1 generations. Or you could also cross Mozambique tilapia with Blue tilapia (Oreochromis aureus). Note that having Mozambique tilapia genetics allows the hybrid to tolerate salt water conditions, and more bioaccumulation of minerals.

I guess it is alright in having the tilapia in your pond, but if you want to improve your existing stock, then I would suggest that you take our only selected broodstock; the simplest selection method is to single out the largest males by size, weight, and health, and choose mid-sized to large females of good health. Develop a breeding system, where a sample size of the offspring of each specific cross is monitored. That way you can keep improving your existing broodstock.

That saying, the next hurdle is actually marketing the fish. As I said before, local stigma of the fish inhibits marketing to quite some extent. However, a key world you should have with you at all times is this: Value-Add.

Fresh fish is without a doubt much preferred by Malaysians, but so are many fish-products. You may explore processing your larger tilapia fish for fillets, and the smaller ones for fish paste, fish ball, etc. By products, such as bones, scales, gut material etc. can be treated with softening agents (eg. papain) and processed into animal feed additives. The liquid by product from the entire process could also be further processed either as a liquid feed culture for hydroponics, or fertilizer.

On a side note, I'm personally not in favor of raising fish in earthen ponds, unless you have a separate cement/poly purging pond. One is due to groundwater leaching; there's always the danger of toxic aluminate leaching, which may not lead to fish kill, but could result in the fish flesh accumulating toxins. Second, is due to general hygiene; you wouldn't want nematodes etc. present in your fish flesh.

Hi,

Currently venturing into vermicompost. Does anyone here have any contact that buys compost?

Thx

[quote=ParaOpticaL,Jan 16 2011, 10:48 PM]
IMHO generally Ornamental Fish is more lucrative based on the market now as the demand is good but the con is ornamental fishes die faster than those fish for consumption as they are more delicate and requires more resources.

but on the long term, fish for breeding is more sustainable
Bro Michael, thanks for meeting me up and educating me so much on plantations...appreciate it very much

i agree with your answer to happy_gal. aquaculture is a long term business. it takes time to stabilise and grow the business. short term will actually hurt you. think medium and long term.

cashflow is important for aquaculture business. dont take this lightly.


oh.. thanks for the info.. jz to let u know im looking out for information on behalf of my bf who wants to do this business.. he's gonna start on March this year.. nxt mnth... well he owis say that he will know if the biz can run within 1 year .. if he makes it then he makes it thru lor..

and now he's having startup capital problem so he say he want to breed fish 1st.. want to breed the "soon hok" fish in his pond wor.. he told me its risky because usually soon hok is found in rivers and not many ppl can breed in ponds geh wor.. so i asked him what makes u think u can be successful if ppl already try and failed... i jz dont want him to fail ...

he says that he has all the notes and theory portion done.. nw jz the practical part nia.. i feel its a bit too risky lor.. so worried lah...

yes ur rite cashflow is important bt his plan is to stop his current full time job and work on this business... and within these months of startup, he wont have a fixed income.. jz living off his savings... sumore all those fish food, water bill for the fish.. all also need money 1.. i also dunno is this really a feasible option to start with...