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Darkus
post Feb 13 2008, 08:30 PM

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Hello all,

Im an executive for an aquaculture farm using technologies derived from australia. Currently our company has a fully owned facility in Kuching Sarawak producing upt o 120mT/year of Barramundi (Siakap) and Jade Perch (New sp. to M'sia).

I would like to ask you all for information, do you guys know of any institute which provide classes/clinics/seminars on fish breeding/seeding?

Reason why is, we are planning on opening up our own SPF (Specific pathogen free) hatchery and we need to train our workers. Currently, we are importing fries from Australia and with the currency playing, its getting too expensive.

Please if any of you could provide me of any information on this or if you could direct me to the right person. Mail me biggrin.gif

Best Regards,

Darkus.
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hi, i am interesting in aqua business. I would like to ask how much model i need if i plan to start a fish farm?


i thinking of starting to build using paraoptical breeding model which used reinforce fiber plastic and a excellent quality pump which could graduately reduce amonia level in water (don't know how much).

I thinking of breeding all the high end sea water fish such as humpback grouper ( kerapu tikus), 7 star grouper ("ci sing pan") and many more.

I heard from another than this fish fry is very costly so breeding in a control water can increase survival rate ( >95%) thus offset the high building cost for the fish farm.

And one more thing, Is there any strong market demand for this high price sea fish? How about the marketing for this kind of business venture?



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QUOTE(Darkus @ Feb 13 2008, 08:30 PM)
Hello all,

Im an executive for an aquaculture farm using technologies derived from australia. Currently our company has a fully owned facility in Kuching Sarawak producing upt o 120mT/year of Barramundi (Siakap) and Jade Perch (New sp. to M'sia).

I would like to ask you all for information, do you guys know of any institute which provide classes/clinics/seminars on fish breeding/seeding?

Reason why is, we are planning on opening up our own SPF (Specific pathogen free) hatchery and we need to train our workers. Currently, we are importing fries from Australia and with the currency playing, its getting too expensive.

Please if any of you could provide me of any information on this or if you could direct me to the right person. Mail me  biggrin.gif

Best Regards,

Darkus.
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Lets bring back some passion, heres something interesting that brought up by one of our agri thread reader smile.gif rclxms.gif

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Vanilla's sweet taste of profits

KOTA KINABALU: A project to help the hard-core poor could make Malaysia one of the leading producers of vanilla. Rentak Timur Sdn Bhd is teaming up with the Rural Development Corporation(KPD) under the Sabah Agriculture and Food Industries Ministry, to encourage poor farmers to cultivate vanilla orchid.

Rentak Timur Sdn Bhd chief executive officer Syed Isa Syed Alwi said the plant could be produced in large quantities on small plots of land. And it is a lucrative crop, selling for up to RM380 per kg on the international market.

With 60 per cent of the global share, Madagascar is the biggest producer of vanilla.

Malaysia produces high quality vanilla and can over take Indonesia, which as second largest producer has 21% of the world market share.

"Our goal is to plant five million vanilla seedlings in the country by 2009. As of April, we have 120,000 vanilla seedlings planted in Peninsular Malaysia and the figure will increase with the expansion to Sabah." said Syed Isa at the signing of the memorandum of understanding wigh KPD.

Rentak Timur, which has a RM14 million processing factory in Pahang, said it was the sole commercial producer of vanilla in the country. Under the joint project, KPD will identify hard-core poor farmer and bring them together with Rentak Timue, which will sell them the plants at RM14.50 per plant and buy back the crop.

"A quarter hectare can carry about 1000 vanilla plants. Each plant produces up to 5kg of vanilla pods, which we will buy back at RM30 to RM50 per kg for processing." said Syed Isa. Agriculture and Food Industries Minister Datuk Abdul Rahim Ismail said " We will identify which family qualify for the contract farming under the hard-core poor scheme KPD has identified 25ha in Lumadan, Beaufort as the site for the pilot project."

The US, France, Germany and the UK are the biggest consumers of vanilla in the world. World demand for vanilla flavouring is about 4,500 tonnes a year.


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1/2 acres for 1000 plants
crops take 3 years to grow(according to the website)
up to 5kg green pods per plant(assume they mean annual production)
buy back program for RM30-50 per kg

1000 plants = 5000kg annual production
5000kg x RM((30+50) / 2) = RM200,000 annual income

or RM16666.67 monthly
It might sound a little too good to be true here, take note that you have to bear with the labor cost, maintenance, wait 3 years for first fruiting, wait ?? years for it to hit 5kg per plant, etc etc.

But even if the net profit is 1/10 of the above figure, it is still worth considering.

Note: a green pod is fresh unprocessed vanilla pod, only the final product of properly cured and dried vanilla beans has the vanilla favor and will fetch the price of RM380.

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Vanilla grows as a vine, climbing up an existing tree, pole, or other support. It can be grown in a wood (on trees), in a plantation (on trees or poles), or in a "shader", in increasing orders of productivity. Left alone, it will grow as high as possible on the support, with few flowers. Every year, growers fold the higher parts of the plant downwards so that the plant stays at heights accessible by a standing human. This also greatly stimulates flowering.

The distinctively flavoured compounds are found in the fruit, which results from the pollination of the flower. One flower produces one fruit. Vanilla planifolia flowers are hermaphroditic: they carry both male (anther) and female (stigma) organs; however, to avoid self-pollenization, a membrane separates those organs. Such flowers may only be naturally pollinated by a specifically equipped bee found in Mexico. Growers have tried to bring this bee into other growing locales, to no avail. The only way to produce fruits is thus artificial pollination.

A simple and efficient artificial pollination method was introduced in 1841 by a 12-year-old slave named Edmond Albius on Réunion: a method still used today. Using a beveled sliver of bamboo,[2] an agricultural worker folds back the membrane separating the anther and the stigma, then presses the anther on the stigma. The flower is then self-pollinated, and will produce a fruit. The vanilla flower lasts about one day, sometimes less, thus growers have to inspect their plantations every day for open flowers, a labour-intensive task.

The fruit (a seed capsule), if left on the plant, will ripen and open at the end; it will then release the distinctive vanilla smell. The fruit contains tiny, flavourless seeds. In dishes prepared with whole natural vanilla, these seeds are recognizable as black specks.

Like other orchids' seeds, vanilla seed will not germinate without the presence of certain mycorrhizal fungi. Instead, growers reproduce the plant by cutting: they remove sections of the vine with six or more leaf nodes, a root opposite each leaf. The two lower leaves are removed, and this area is buried in loose soil at the base of a support. The remaining upper roots will cling to the support, and often grow down into the soil. Growth is rapid under good conditions.


According to the Malaysia Vanilla website, in order to get vanilla orchid to produce vanilla pods, plenty of labor is required for pollination, and it takes 9 months for the plant to form the pods. After harvesting the green pods, we need to go thru the following steps into sellable vanilla beans, which has the legendary vanilla flavor.


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Rentak Timur only required you to have 1/2 an acre for the buy back partnetship and a mere RM21k for setting up the land, it looks like an ideal crop for people who has a piece of idle land nearby where they live.

(PS: Vanilla Coke is made of natural vanilla? not synthetic?)

(A hat-tip to amirbashah!)

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post Feb 21 2008, 01:03 PM

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Anyone heard of Gold Strike Hybrid corn? Trying to research how good this seed is. Anyone know of any seed companies selling this variety?


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Bro, RM20000 nett is not really worth it lar... For the same amount of labour and time consumed, there are other crops that would give better returns.

As a rule of thumb, follow the 80:20 Rule... Around 20% cost of production to 80% profit taking; About 20% of customer buying 80% of your products; 20% time needed to acheive 80% optimal production capacity. Otherwise it is not very sustainable lei...

When I first wrote my paper on vanilla production for my college thesis, what was found was that although Malaysia is tropical like Brazil, Tahiti and Madagascar, our climate is largely not suitable for vanilla to flower. Only the areas closer to the highlands can actually get the thing to optimal flowering. A single node on the vanilla vine can easily produce 15 to 20 pods at optimal flowering and pollination, but so far, few successes in the low-land areas. By the way, 15 processed pods equals to a kilo for grade A in Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, and Tahiti.

I've seen the processed pods from the supplier, and the plants themselves. This is my own opinion, and I've no scientific backing to this, but the plants worry me. I was quite surprised that the pods were tiny in comparison to even those from India, Indonesia and Africa. The standard grading is 20cm minimum, and those I've seen are only about 15cm. In terms of intensity of flavour, I find it barely matching the standard either.

Now I'm not saying that the vanilla industry is not profitable... Clearly it is, but what I'm pointing out is that there are many factors to consider. (I) Clearly, not everywhere in Malaysia can the crop be planted
(II) Labour problem; Famlily enterprize not great model unless you have 6-7 members in your family or so for every acre of land.
(III) High initial cost of production, coupled by high maintenance costs over the intervening years; can be offset by GAP

There are some more points, but I'm in a hurry now. You may like to read up on India's and PNG's vanilla industry. That should give a good example of what possible scenarios may take place.


Added on February 21, 2008, 4:02 pmBro, RM20000 nett is not really worth it lar... For the same amount of labour and time consumed, there are other crops that would give better returns.

As a rule of thumb, follow the 80:20 Rule... Around 20% cost of production to 80% profit taking; About 20% of customer buying 80% of your products; 20% time needed to acheive 80% optimal production capacity. Otherwise it is not very sustainable lei...

When I first wrote my paper on vanilla production for my college thesis, what was found was that although Malaysia is tropical like Brazil, Tahiti and Madagascar, our climate is largely not suitable for vanilla to flower. Only the areas closer to the highlands can actually get the thing to optimal flowering. A single node on the vanilla vine can easily produce 15 to 20 pods at optimal flowering and pollination, but so far, few successes in the low-land areas. By the way, 15 processed pods equals to a kilo for grade A in Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, and Tahiti.

I've seen the processed pods from the supplier, and the plants themselves. This is my own opinion, and I've no scientific backing to this, but the plants worry me. I was quite surprised that the pods were tiny in comparison to even those from India, Indonesia and Africa. The standard grading is 20cm minimum, and those I've seen are only about 15cm. In terms of intensity of flavour, I find it barely matching the standard either.

Now I'm not saying that the vanilla industry is not profitable... Clearly it is, but what I'm pointing out is that there are many factors to consider. (I) Clearly, not everywhere in Malaysia can the crop be planted
(II) Labour problem; Famlily enterprize not great model unless you have 6-7 members in your family or so for every acre of land.
(III) High initial cost of production, coupled by high maintenance costs over the intervening years; can be offset by GAP

There are some more points, but I'm in a hurry now. You may like to read up on India's and PNG's vanilla industry. That should give a good example of what possible scenarios may take place.

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18-01-2008: ECER plants corn hybrid for 85% jump in returns
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KUALA TERENGGANU: A new breed of high-yielding corn, which is tagged the Gold Strike sweet corn that brings 85% more return on investment (ROI), is being introduced by the Hulu Terengganu Department of Agriculture as part of an agriculture initiative under the East Coast Economic Region (ECER).

Earmarked to be farmed at a 200-hectare site in Kuala Berang, corn farming formed a dominant part of the self-sustaining Bachok-Besut-Setiu-Kuala Berang Agro Valley for vegetables and short-term corps, ECER Secretariat said in a statement yesterday.

It said the estimated cost of planting the hybrid sweet corn was at RM4,832 per hectare with expected income of RM12,600 per hectare per season, while the estimated cost of planting Thai super sweet (TSS) corn was RM3,352 with estimated income of RM5,500 per hectare per season.

ECER said the initial plantation phase, starting December 2007, would cover 58 hectares of land involving 144 farmers.

The Gold Strike sweet corn was selected by the Agriculture Department based on a study which showed the new hybrid to be most resistant to plant diseases. The study also showed the hybrid produces higher ears of corn.

Corn plantation efforts are expected to reduce the import of agriculture goods. In 2006, Malaysia imported 200 tonnes of corns worth US$200,000 (RM683,000) from China, followed by New Zealand with 140 tonnes worth US$170,000.

Malaysia also imports 100 tonnes from Thailand worth US$50,000 and 70 tonnes from the US worth US$80,000.
Ow, that one, it sounds like Gold Strike is a brand, and this is the hybrid corn as one of their product, as I can find Gold Strike hybrid pumpkin too, on google.

The corns imported in the end of the article should refer to sweetcorn, but I have a confusion here, is the whole purpose of the plantation plan is to replace that mere RM1.2mil of import goods while spending 100s of millions on other import food? And do we import any significant sweetcorn at all that worth our attention?

They might have an idea where to find that seed, seeds suppliers:
Leckat Corp: 03-6280 2620
Sin Seng Huat Seeds: 03-8060 9921
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QUOTE(rexis @ Feb 21 2008, 04:25 PM)
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Ow, that one, it sounds like Gold Strike is a brand, and this is the hybrid corn as one of their product, as I can find Gold Strike hybrid pumpkin too, on google.

The corns imported in the end of the article should refer to sweetcorn, but I have a confusion here, is the whole purpose of the plantation plan is to replace that mere RM1.2mil of import goods while spending 100s of millions on other import food? And do we import any significant sweetcorn at all that worth our attention?

They might have an idea where to find that seed, seeds suppliers:
Leckat Corp: 03-6280 2620
Sin Seng Huat Seeds: 03-8060 9921
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Awesome information! Thanks bro.

Yup, this is the same Gold Strike i'm talking about... have seen this article and it's really recent. but... i'm thinking...hmmmm... should i wait and see how this Gold Strike fare....? hmm...tought decision.... hmm.gif
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post Feb 22 2008, 09:54 PM

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Hi MichaelJ.,

since you are an expert on oil palm. i would like to ask a question

the waste from Oil Palm when their oils are extracted, what can be done about the waste ?

any commercial purpose for the waste ?

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Paraoptical,

Yep, there are a dozen or so uses. I'll just mention the more common uses.

Empty Fruit Bunches (EFB) are used as mulch, as studies have shown that the amount of potassium found in fresh EFBs is almost as high as that of Muriate of Potash normally used for fertilizer application.

Mesocarp fibre and shell are commonly used as fuel for the mill. This reduces dependency on fossil fuel. On average, a well managed mill can substiture 40% of its fossil fuel dependency with fibre and shell.

The ash from the burnt fibre and shell can be used for nitrogen and carbon fertilizer, but Malaysian government has now prohibited most companies from producing bunch ash, save for a select few. Apparently bunch ash production is pollutive.

A more nouvelle uses of mesocarp fibre include the manufacturing of fibre mats, which can be used for nursery matting, orchid fibre pots, door mats. I know of at least one company who does this as a core business, and they have been doing this for the last 10 years. Very profitable it seems. A more recent use I saw was as fibreboards and carton board material.

Crushed OP shell has commonly been used for soiless media. It has good drainage, but at the same sufficient water retention ability. It is also much easily sterilized compared to soil, a common practice in well established and managed nurseries.

Some research is still on-going for the use of the cellulose fibre from the mesocarp as feeder for bioethanol production, though how it would turn out I am still to find out.

OP fibre has been used to make paper as well, but from the quality of the paper I received, it seem too rough for everyday use. I've also come to know that there is this company from China that is buying coconut and OP logs for making parquet.


Added on February 23, 2008, 10:30 amOops, sorry about the parquet part... Forgot you asked about the fibre, not trunk...

Some time ago the fibre was also used for mushroom farming, but it appears to have lost favour compared to rice husk. Probably problem with sterilizing the fibre. But as far as I have observed, it is an excellent media for mushroom growing due to the high sugar content of the cellulignic fibre.

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hi...saw this thread when im browsing ard.. im a aquaculture student, studying at Uni Msia Sabah. hello all... and welcome to aquaculture industries! hehe... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(harnsheng @ Feb 23 2008, 06:07 PM)
hi...saw this thread when im browsing ard.. im a aquaculture student, studying at Uni Msia Sabah. hello all... and welcome to aquaculture industries! hehe... tongue.gif
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hi how are you?

glad to have you around.

how's the Hybrid Grouper doing ? and how is Prof Saleem ?

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hybrid groupers are doing fine...now on average 3kg each. some does looks like giant grouper from the top view on the B tank.

Prof saleem is doing fine i guess...

r u from UMS also?
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may i ask what technology are you using from Australia and which company is it from? thanks would love to know more...
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Hiya, currently we are using the Fish Protech System from Adelaide. Its really quite a simple water recirculation system. But as u know the simpler the more efficient it is. In the future expansion i've heard news of using Cell Aquaculture Tech, Yup the one thats recently on the news.

Anyone with any help on the Breeding/Seeding clinics?
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harnsheng, welcome aboard biggrin.gif should you have any research paper or findings regarding your field of study, you can expect some serious viewer here:)

Btw, ParaOptical is more like a practical student of aquaculture - he is running a fish farm now. He went to UMS for fish culturing information and he must've spoken to prof in person.

About myself... not even planting a chili yet, ahh yes, I gotta seed some black chili... I hv yet to send Micheal.J the seeds i promised - no i didnt forgot, just life got in the way :/

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Crushed OP shell has commonly been used for soiless media. It has good drainage, but at the same sufficient water retention ability. It is also much easily sterilized compared to soil, a common practice in well established and managed nurseries.

Some research is still on-going for the use of the cellulose fibre from the mesocarp as feeder for bioethanol production, though how it would turn out I am still to find out.
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Just curious, isnt it easy to sterilize mineral soil by just oven the hell out of it with high temperature compare to by using a pressure cooker?

First time heard about oil palm fibre into bioethanol, perhaps due to most cellulose bioethanol research by western countries which more or less dislike oil palm. Its good to know some progress about it - just that hopefully it doesn't take them 20 years like how they came up with oil palm biodiesel(and eventually not using it).

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Bro... if you want to sterillize one pot, then fine... use those methods... I'm talking about 10-20 tonnes of soil lei.... where got oven or pressure cooker that big? Besides, you wouldn't to destroy soil structure lei... All soils have a threshold dryness that once dried past it, you can never return moisture to it anymore. So the most common method used is steam sterillization.

Erm... Actually palm oil has been known to be a good substitute for diesel more than 15 years ago... I believe it was first brought up in 1990. The reason why it took 20 years to develop what we now call palm biodiesel, was because of the controversies surrounding oil palm. Do note that oil palm and oil palm products are highly political items; the only other plant life that is more political are orchids.


Added on February 28, 2008, 10:05 amBy the by, anybody here have any suggestion for a suitable potting mix to use for chillies? The mix I used showing different results: Nursery premixed soil, seedling looking yellowish and like not vigour; Alluvial clay of fine particles, the seedling is doing very well, vigour is very good, and leaf appear as healthy green.

Need to transplant some 30 Hungarian Cherry Chilli seedlings soon. Also have Lilac Thai Bird's Eye and Thai Bird's Eye to transplant within the next 2 weeks.

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Feb 28 2008, 09:58 AM)
Bro... if you want to sterillize one pot, then fine... use those methods... I'm talking about 10-20 tonnes of soil lei.... where got oven or pressure cooker that big? Besides, you wouldn't to destroy soil structure lei... All soils have a threshold dryness that once dried past it, you can never return moisture to it anymore. So the most common method used is steam sterillization.

Erm... Actually palm oil has been known to be a good substitute for diesel more than 15 years ago... I believe it was first brought up in 1990. The reason why it took 20 years to develop what we now call palm biodiesel, was because of the controversies surrounding oil palm. Do note that oil palm and oil palm products are highly political items; the only other plant life that is more political are orchids.


Added on February 28, 2008, 10:05 amBy the by, anybody here have any suggestion for a suitable potting mix to use for chillies? The mix I used showing different results: Nursery premixed soil, seedling looking yellowish and like not vigour; Alluvial clay of fine particles, the seedling is doing very well, vigour is very good, and leaf appear as healthy green.

Need to transplant some 30 Hungarian Cherry Chilli seedlings soon. Also have Lilac Thai Bird's Eye and Thai Bird's Eye to transplant within the next 2 weeks.
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Then... roast the soil like roast coffee, temperature and timing controlled precisely, so roast until the whole thing reach 150 degree C for 20 secs then.... okay okay, only to a small pot, not to a truck full of soil.

Well, I do know POBD main reason for not being utilized(locally) is the price issue as well as some political issue(or NGO) from oversea(for being utilized in oversea). Political tool it is - same as petroleum, anything that able to contribute a major part of national income or outcome is always a political tool. I has read about alternative energy and has always puzzled about our local gov position in alternative energy - most people use petrol and they made biodiesel. Hence its good to know bout some bioethanol under development.

About your chili.... could it be that the cherry seeds you got is actually a hybrid result? Furthermore its seeds, which could be hybrid seeds' seeds, which could result in varying unforeseeable result.

Last time I used to plant chili in 100% compost mix, it is known as "japanese soil" at the pasar malam stall. The chili seedlings can live in the pot without any further fertilizer for up to 2 months and growing deliciously green.

Wait for my black chili lar, 100% Non-GMO and organic, i guess, hahaha. I'm gonna send a whole fruit to you... no, maybe partial fruit, u half i half, thats the one last dried black chili i got, fully ripen and dried in shade.
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Mmm.... But frankly speaking i'm quite sceptical about "biofuel" per se... Sure it can alleviate some of out fuel needs, but i hope people do not forget that agriculture is very resource intensive. Water is a major resource used consistently, as well as fertilizer, some of which comes from the petroleum industry;Most need to be mined, like Rock Phosphate (RP)and Ground Magnesium Limestone (GML), which again raises the issue of land degradation. As it is, we are in fact at the point of having a SHORTAGE of clean drinking water... and water is the most abundant resource on Earth.

I'm not saying we should not do agriculture, but what I want to say is do agriculture in a responsible way... Burning food for car fuel is stupid, period. If use waste products of agriculture, like fresh pruned fronds of OP, wheat sheafs and rice husks, or maybe even sugarcane molasses for ethanol production, then fine; these have not much other uses except maybe mulching. But to use corn grains, palm oil, sugarcane sugar etc to convert into fuel, I call that irresponsible, especially when millions of people are dying from starvation. And right now, the situation is made worse because of the demand of such foods for the use in making this so called "biofuel" giving rise to food shortage and immense price hikes. Food prices have literally jumped 30-40% over the last few months!!! For the better off few, we can still afford that sort of price hike now; but for those in a lower income group? What becomes of them? And if we look at the bigger picture, world food production is not enough even right now to sustain the 6.2 billion world population, what more when we start burning food for fuel?

Then some idiot comes up with idea "Let's use a non-food crop instead". No difference. We're still straining the meagre resources left on this planet. The end result is still the same; We're burning precious resources and not cycling them properly. This is what I call irresponsible. This is what I call short-sightedness.

My uncle once told me this: "Doing intensive problem solving is like a person studying the anus of a cockroach; how it looks, how it functions, how big or small it is, and how well designed it is". As I ponder on it, I just feel that although it is important to be intense when solving problems, sometimes we need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. If we look too intensely at one thing, we become short-sighted about other things. Yes, biofuel could very well solve our fuel problems, but does it fit in well with preventing further land degradation? Or water quality degradation? Is it sensible to address fuel shortage problems by burning food that could otherwise be used to feed people dying from hunger, another global problem?

To me, in this world there can never be a perfect system. The best we can do is to choose the lesser of two weasels. And biofuel is not the lesser weasel in the current case.

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no i am not from UMS. i just happen to know Prof Saleem during an exhibition and he invited me to do practical at UMS on the Hybrid Groupers...

great research being done on the hybrid groupers. i understand they can grow quite fast.

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hybrid groupers are doing fine...now on average 3kg each. some does looks like giant grouper from the top view on the B tank.

Prof saleem is doing fine i guess... 

r u from UMS also?
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Hi Darkus,

what's the investment like for Fish Protech. i heard its very very expensive for one module. are you with Maju Ikan ?

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Hiya, currently we are using the Fish Protech System from Adelaide. Its really quite a simple water recirculation system. But as u know the simpler the more efficient it is. In the future expansion i've heard news of using Cell Aquaculture Tech, Yup the one thats recently on the news.

Anyone with any help on the Breeding/Seeding clinics?
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