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post Apr 24 2012, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(Kissan @ Apr 24 2012, 03:29 PM)
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the view at kelawat eco farm.
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Hi Kissan, this is Kundasang. This is the junction to turn into the Desa Diary Farm. Just went there on March.


Added on April 24, 2012, 8:03 pm
QUOTE(jason1986 @ Apr 24 2012, 03:29 PM)
Para, thanks. Will see what i can do.


Added on April 24, 2012, 3:32 pmWah,, kissan, you familiar with that place? looks nice eh. a bit hilly though.

Seems like the weather will be cool.
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The co-ordinate for Kg Kelawat is approximately 6.1120508N 116.3693338E
It's between 700~800M above sea level.

Your friend has also put up at advert for the said land. For the special price you mentioned, off hand I would say it could be worthwhile to check it out.

Maybe I can plant on your land, if you decide to buy smile.gif

If you are flying in to check the land and if you need company, just PM me. Shall be here till mid June.

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post Apr 27 2012, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(Razkyo @ Apr 27 2012, 05:50 PM)
Dear Michael J,

          Thanks for the valuable insight. It really will be nice to see the new technology that have been brought in to Malaysia. One more reason that I did not consider prawn farming is also due to the limited lands available or suitable for a large scale project. As you might know RAS system can easily be deployed on land. I have just concluded a deal to rent a piece of land for my business. As such, to convert it into a pond might not be feasible for me as I would need to literally dig up most part of the land which my landlord would not be agreeable to. Therefore there lies my only option which is through RAS. Well, instead of saying that it is RAS system. I would consider it as canvas culture which is somewhat unique to Malaysia. I came to understand that a lot of farmers in Malaysia are using canvas instead of tanks to save cost on materials. I am liaising with Marble Goby Enterprise regarding the use of this technology for farming Tilapia and apparently they informed me that it is quite feasible.

          Would like to ask for your opinion on using canvas to farm tilapia?
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Was looking into Tilapia sometime back, my trial did not kick off due to time and labor constrain. We did "threw" in some fo the Tilapia fries into our watering pond. Maybe we can do a harvest later part of the year.

Keeping track on this discussion. Razkyo please keep us update on your progress. Maybe we can arrange for a farm visit one day.

One thing about canvas culture is mobility. If it's done on a frame system, it can be moved. Good option if it's a rented property. As for cost wise had not done a thorough comparison as for cement/concrete or even light weight concrete may be cheaper, as this also depends on local availability .
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 27 2012, 07:43 PM)
MrFarmer : when you get back from Sabah....do make time to come over to my farm. let's share some ideas biggrin.gif
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Next trip home is on 11th June. See you then. Staying for 9 days. Yes, would like to visit your farm. The more we discuss, the more idea shall crop up.


Added on April 30, 2012, 7:22 pm
QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 30 2012, 06:05 PM)
Hi Razkyo,

to start you could use the canvas first to test out the system. once you reach breakeven or projected profitability then you can try to use fiber glass as you are more assured of the operations and everything

agreed with MichaelJ., that fiber glass last much longer and more durable thus the higher cost. Good Thing No Cheap, Cheap Thing No Good...haha
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Fully agree here, to bee on the conservative side, keep initial expenses to the minimum (unless you have a big fat account/unlimited support). As mostly, there shall be lots of unforeseen problems/ expenses. Michael also has a point on the durability. As most probably you wouldn't be doing all ponds in one go, maybe a half/half. That is start with the lower cost in phase 1.

As for consultant, go for those with good track record. ConSultant, break in up = CON you first, then INSULT you biggrin.gif

Razkyo
Where is your targeted market? East coast I guess you shall be competing with sea fishes. West coast I guess rather far. Have to think about logistic, transporting your harvest. I think there is most probably some mortality loss during transporting?

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post May 1 2012, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 30 2012, 07:29 PM)
Bro,

we can go to our farm either on 15th or 16th May 2012. so let's meet up on that day biggrin.gif

i will be away from 17th - 19th May....
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Sorry Para, can not, still in Sabah for May, only back to KL on 11th June smile.gif
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post May 3 2012, 07:39 PM

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Nutrient deficiency?
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post May 4 2012, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(Kissan @ May 3 2012, 11:28 PM)
@MrFarmer:
Insect feeding/sucking sap from your leaf ? i saw some small white white thing on the leaf. blink.gif
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Thanks Kissan. Shall check.


Added on May 4, 2012, 6:07 pm
QUOTE(Michael J. @ May 4 2012, 09:51 AM)
Mr Farmer:

The top two photos on papaya have pest problems, night-flying beetles. If you find black frass (crap) on the lower leaves, then you're likely to have night-flying beetles. This is the initial stage of attack. My cacao tree was devastated by night-flying beetles in this same way. You can use malathion mixed with a sticker-solution, or use Dipel which is a biopesticide. Dipel is more expensive though, and washes off quite easily, so use this only intermittently with chemical controls.

Third papaya picture shows nutrient deficiency. You may need to clear the grass nearby, and apply some additional kieserite and urea. Reduce you potassium inputs (eg. bunch ash, MOP etc.), or better still, don't apply until budding is seen. I feel that there could be competition effect between potassium, magnesium and nitrogen happening.

You mango tree has sap-sucking insect attacking it. Looks like symptoms of red spider mites, but please check the underside of the leaves first. If you see reddish-colored crab-like/tiny spider like things dashing about, then confirmed. Otherwise, you could have other more mobile sap suckers, like rice bugs or mictis. For mites, you need to use Mitec, or apply soapy solutions (like mild, diluted detergents, unscented bath soapwater etc.), followed by malathion or cypermethrin. Both are class 1 chemicals, so be careful. The newer formulations may have lower classifications, but still, be careful.
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Thanks Michael.
Sorry, I don't understand the "competition effect". I understand that nutrients is just dissolved and wait to be absorbed by the roots.

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post May 11 2012, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(Ohiki @ May 11 2012, 01:18 PM)
Hi, I'm not a farmer but I do farm a bit at home for own consumption.

Need the guru here to advise a bit.

Do you plant the seeds in square container and later transfer them to the ground after they start to sprout ?

Or you just spread the seeds to the ground and let them grow from there ?

I notice some farms looks so organize and beautiful when the veges are planted row by row line by line like queue up.

Thanks for any advise  notworthy.gif
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Ohiki, you don't have to be a farmer, everyone with interest in agri / agro are welcome here. I wasn't a farmer, but some how, shall be one soon biggrin.gif
Depending on what you are planting. Plenty of methods are available, all should work if you are familiar with it. Tell us what you are planting and I'm sure someone can be of help.

Not all farm are that well organized. Take mine for example, village style, we do try to plan in a straight row, but it usually ended up crooked. Had always requested my helpers to use a string, but....always ended up using just by sight. Planting distance, you can always use a stick and cut it to length. Also when growth rates are not consistence, weeds shall comes in. If your area is not the long / large, I thin just using your sight should be good enough.
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QUOTE(Ohiki @ May 14 2012, 01:07 PM)
Thanks everyone !  rclxms.gif

Just sawi only... it's painful if need to transfer the little fellow from plastic tray to land when they sprout...might kill the roots if not careful lol...

I guess if it's vege with many leaves just spread it on the ready plot of land and let them grow. If it's those that grow upward until knee length then use plastic tray to keep them safe.

Just curious, with huge piece of land you had, how you prevent wild animals or people coming in to curi your sayur ? Fence it ?

By the way, anyone rent these land before ? Looks cheap...RM250/acre... I think is from agrotourism kinta highlands...

http://www.mudah.my/Tanah+Pertanian+di+Kin...nd-14609236.htm
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For Sawi, you may want to just spread the seeds on a raised bed, let it sprout and eliminate the weaker ones and weeds. This shall save some time and work.

With large acreage, it depends on your perception. Here (East Malaysia), we don't fence, wild animals / pest, we usually leave it and just consider sharing with them. They were here 1st anyway. As for people, we do welcome guest, at times we don't see much people in the more remote land. Anyway products at farm gate price is very low. We usually give away some produce to guest that come. Yes, we do have an experience of people curi 36 rubber trees that were planted for about 9 months. My helpers engaged a Bommoh to put a curse on the thief biggrin.gif . Fencing is too high cost.

Land prices is very subjective. If you are in love with it, you'll may want to pay higher. If you have no use / do not like the land, you'll most probably don't want it, even if it's free. Bear in mind that there are lawyer's fee, quit rent and other expenses involved. Development cost is also very high, like access road.

$250/month X 240 acres = 60K/month = 720K/yr.
Internal infrastructure shall cost a lot. Unless you have a project in mind that can cover this expenses and make a profit.

Just sharing my personal opinion.
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ May 18 2012, 09:14 PM)
Facing some bug attack on my jackfruit trees....haha

and I forgot to use "anti-hair fall shampoo" one of the tree


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May I suggest the Jackei Chan Shampoo, by Bawang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bawang_Shampoo

Had 1 sour sop small tree, eaten by a numbers of caterpillars over night. Had no choice but to pick all of them off and kill them. 98% of the leaves are on gone. Good thing is that it recovers very fast.
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QUOTE(chinyen @ May 24 2012, 09:23 AM)
hehe i dont know. i bought the small 400gm pack to try and plan to buy in bigger quantity. i have enquired supplier from Johor , they quoted me rm1900/ton exclusive of delivery charges. i dont think i'm buying that much at the moment maybe around 100kg so i tried to enquire from the kl/selangor suppliers and still waiting for their reply.

i'm worried also if i'm buying the same thing. ts, is there many types of fish meal but they work the same o they dont if there is no difference in ratio of npk mentioned la. should i just buy from kl/selangor area? thanks
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Hi Chinyen, just wondering if you can DIY? Like EM, I also tried doing from cheap salt water fish, which works very well too.
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QUOTE(chinyen @ May 25 2012, 10:33 AM)
i thought of collecting the bones from eateries but i'm not too sure how to process them. whether to just crush them o smoke them first before crushing. i'm also worried that just crushing them will invite flies/pests
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Maybe this can help?
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post May 29 2012, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(chinyen @ May 27 2012, 05:16 AM)
thanks ya!!!


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thanks ya, trhat's very useful.
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Hi Chinyen,
Came across this during web surfing.
http://www.kl2010.biz/
Do check out their SCIENTIFIC STUDIES ON THE USAGE OF CHITOSAN.
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QUOTE(chinyen @ May 30 2012, 02:23 PM)
ok, thanks mr farmer^^

they would work perfectly on my mother's orchid. she was previously using those raw clam juice to fertilise her orchids.
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Actually I didn't know about this. I only know about Chitosan as fat burning, for weight lost.
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De-suckering Banana trees.

Any tips on how to de-sucker the banana suckers from the parent tree without affecting the stability of the mother tree? I find that after de-suckering, the mother tree losses it's grip on the soil and may tend to topple easily.
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QUOTE(chinyen @ Jun 2 2012, 01:10 PM)
anyone knows where can i buy grafting tape here? thanks.

mr farmer, can big pvc pipe help? cut the prefered height and then cut some of the wall off to fit throught the tree trunk without hurting the tree and hammer it down around the tree?
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I bought the grafting tape from those agri-shop (similar to hardware shop). Chinyen , you good @ grafting? Am about to start learn grafting Avocado trees, just waiting for it to grow to a bigger size to start. Also still studying from u-tube and internet smile.gif You got any suggestion?

Big PVC are a bit costly here. Hammering it close may disrupt the roots? Am presently using wooden stick (recycled) to prop the banana trees that are not vertical and weak.
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New Chilli Variety SDP33.
Anybody interested?
Refer DOA April Issue Page 7
http://www.doa.gov.my/c/document_library/g...&groupId=455778

Sime Darby is doing a promotion @ RM 1/g. Packing is 30g
En. Shukli bin Suban @ Ani Tel: 019 334 8600 Email: shukli.suban@simedarby.com
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QUOTE(chinyen @ Jun 4 2012, 12:51 PM)
haha just my 2 cents..never detach the sucker from banana before. well, i can only find tie tape, the green one, so far. i need the transparent one. the nursery owner here has weird thinking. they're reluctant to sell the grafting tape to us worrying that that will encourage more hybrids and less sale for them. i am currently grafting adenium rose flower plant and not yet into fruit plant hehe tongue.gif  oh, did i mention that i'm in kl? where's ur location mr farmer?


Added on June 4, 2012, 2:13 pm

the sale only opens to farmer?
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Couldn't remember how much per roll. Normally things cost more here. Am currently in the Interior of Sabah. The transparent tape looks like normal plastic to me. How much do you need?

They didn't mention, but 30g is a lot of Chilli seeds as it's very light.

Check your PM.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Jun 9 2012, 09:40 PM)
Yep.... till graded durin sold in sepang going for RM1 each.
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Yummy. time for durian feast. Any one got durian farm? or any organizer? rclxms.gif
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Hi People, toying with the idea of planting Sugar Cane. Anyone with experience in this? As for the marketing, I can only think of Sugarcane juice, Chinese Ceremonious events (like wedding & Chinese New Year). Couldn't think of anymore market.

Came across a Sugarcane plant, maturing and already with butts. Got the plant and requested my helper to germinate it before I left my farm. Am thinking if we can do it on a bigger scale?

Any suggestion?
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Jun 15 2012, 05:31 PM)
Mr Farmer:

Sugarcane does have more uses, but it depends on what you want to do with it. And also volume. The quick-win, low-hanging-fruit method of getting better value for your sugar cane is by juicing it, and selling bottled juice to restaurants. Whole canes only fetch high prices during festivals (not only Chinese festivals, but also Indian festivals as well).

The bagasse (the remnant pulp after squeezing) can be used to produce biofertilizers and mulch, or to produce biofuels through microbial fermentative breakdown. However for these, you need a large amount of volume to be profitable. Anything north of 100mt of dried bagasse could be profitable.

As for sugars, not worth it. But if you make candy or molasses from it, then maybe profitable. Especially if you have lots of firewood. Sugarcane treacle anyone?

If fermentable beverages are allowed (which I think Sabah and Sarawak natives are permitted to make, about 30L a year(?)), you could consider fermenting sugarcane with brewers yeast, mix in a few other stuff like edible/flavorful spices etc. and produce something good. Think mead (honey wine). But I doubt you can sell homebrews legally in Malaysia. You might get away with bartering it instead.

The bagasse could also be ground up into a sweet animal feed, more like a treat. Usually this is given in wet form, before it ferments. I know of some people who use it to feed their buffaloes. I also got to know one sick ******* who fed his buffalo fermented baggasse, and the creature became drunk. It got all rowdy and farty. You might get better luck feeding fermented baggasse to goats; the only downside is probably more young goats being born the next season.
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Thank you MJ & Teratai.
Yes, me too think that for sugar produce, hmmh, not feasible. As being a controlled item (sugar), lots of red tape. Also no sugar refinery near our farm.

The only market that I can think of at the moment is as you described, juicing it and packing it in bulk or small disposable single use and marketing it thru' restaurant, locally and in the city. Also packaging it as pure sugarcane juice for cooking (but this segment is small). Shall explore the packaging aspect on this. Was told that the restaurant dilute the sugarcane juice to be more profitable.

Yes, sugarcane can be fermented / distilled into rum as this is popular in Mauritius.

Was at AEON (Jusco) and saw disposable plates made from bagasse (bio-degradable). In oversea they use it to make paper bags and even re-useable bags.



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