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Michael J.
post Apr 4 2012, 01:04 PM

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Elmer:

I think you meant "mortality in marble goby is pretty high".

Marble goby does have a very strong market demand, domestically and internationally. You might need to be wary about costs vs market price though. For this fish, I would suggest that you market direct to your customer, instead of going through a middle man.

As you've rightly noted, the fish is not exactly the easiest species to culture, especially if your seed (fish fry) are from wild sources. There are a few challenges with wild caught seed:
(i) Feeding problem. It appears that in many cases, wild caught seed do not adapt to formulated or artificial feeds. Feeding with live feed is often part of the solution, however in certain cases, even if there is abundant live feed, some fish do not feed due to factors such as stress, competition etc. One easier, but possible slightly costlier, method of solving this is by getting farm raised seeds which have already been adapted to artificial feeds and captive culture. You might like to contact Marine Life Aquaculture Pte Ltd (Mr Frank Tan, (65) 9151 2221) about this, as he does supply to Malaysia also. But please do ensure enough feed is given, as marble goby can be highly cannibalistic.
(ii) Disease problem. This is usually associated with wild seeds also. Captive bred seed are normally quite free from diseases, but even then, it is still possible to stress the fish out when the environment isn't suited. Do note, marble gobies are ambush feeders, meaning they are most comfortable when there's adequate shelter and hiding places. You will need to look out for white spot disease, especially.
(iii) Growth rate problem. Honestly, this fish is not known for its fast growth. You can see this from its nature, where the fish is usually inactive except when feeding. Many culturist struggle with getting their fish to weigh in at 500g (standard market weight, I was told) within 8-12 months. This could become a problem, especially if cash flow is an issue. Again, do check with Mr. Frank on this, because his stock are able to hit 600g within 8 months quite consistently.

Aside from these issues, the availability of marble goby seed is one other matter. Currently in Malaysia, most of the fries are wild caught, either within Malaysia, or from Indonesia. Oh yes, speaking of which, please do verify with the person supplying the fries, if they are from freshwater or brackish water sources. Like barramundi (siakap), there is a slight difference in the biology and culture of saltwater vs freshwater variants. Although the saltwater variant can be adapted to freshwater, it usually takes time and there will be some casualties during this adaptation time.

What you're proposing has actually been done in Vietnam, and has proven some level of success. The main hindrance, they noted, was the availability of seed and disease outbreak.

On a side note:

I've seen one of the aquarium shops in PJ which cultures freshwater marble goby. The uncle is an old family friend, and what he did was build a cement tank, fill it up with bogwood/drift wood and PVC pipes, and pack the tank with wild guppies, freshwater shrimp, and seluang fish. And then, whenever he get marble goby (usually found in his weekly delivery of freshwater shrimp), he will add them to the tank. It seems there is little mortality or even cannibalism. He usually sells the 500-600g fish to the Chinese seafood restaurant next to his aquarium, and fetches very good prices. His tank isn't very big, about 10 feet x 10 feet, and just 3.5 feet deep. But his stocking density seems very high, about 70 fish per cubic meter. He reasoned that with adequate hiding places, it is still possible, despite the added bogwood and PVC pipes, and he didn't mind the challenge with catching the larger fish amidst the mess.


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post Apr 4 2012, 02:09 PM

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elmer : i think you meant "pretty high mortality"

i had experience in culturing marble goby and they are ANYTHING BUT EASY...these buggers are freaking lazy and they grow slow which makes the venture tightening on the budget.

usually for marble goby its the feeding & growth problem that will drive you up the wall...if insufficient feed like MichaelJ. mentioned they will EAT each other...

seriously out of experience, marble goby is not a species you would want to play around with without proper knowledge & experience.

you should consider sticking to rearing "premium" tilapia

btw where is this farm you are planning to venture into ?
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side note, though you have lower risk now what are the plans of expansion ?? does the place allow you to expand should this venture becomes profitable ? if not how would you manage it.

because having 2 big ponds wont allow you to play much with the output. operations wise both of you might not have much to do except on output day. food for thought.


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post Apr 7 2012, 12:45 PM

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Just to add on the Micheal J on marble goby farming especially buying from wild source,

Quarantine is a must for wild source, and also be responsible avoid buying from people who goes the cheap way using malachite green, it will just cause more problem down the road (especially for health, and export market)

Marble Goby is a hard fish to farm if you follow traditional farming method, you will still produce results but with very high mortality rate. Marble Goby are very strict in their requirements compared to other culture fish, when the condition are not met, they will make you suffer, do make sure to understand marble goby's biology as well as it will be crucial in your decision making.

Marble Goby usually need special attention for each individual fish,I have seen project putting 10k+ fish fries into a pond and came out with only 100+ after 1 year but there are also other places like Malacca and Johor which are very successful due to their attention to details.

I would suggest you to do tilapia as main and marble goby as side income first to gain more experience since your livelihood is rely on fish farming, anything can happen during the duration for those marble goby to reach marketable size. Just a small externally introduced parasite outbreak can wipe out your whole farm if not properly managed.
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post Apr 9 2012, 03:28 PM

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April 2012 - Newsletter is out... biggrin.gif

Happy Reading
MrFarmer
post Apr 9 2012, 09:02 PM

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Bought some Bentong Ginger last year, took these to my farm (Sabah) and planted these. Harvested and used as seedlings. Managed to plant about 6 raised beds.

Question: Can I still claim these as Bentong Ginger when I market these? As I understand Bentong Ginger is a variety. blush.gif
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post Apr 9 2012, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 9 2012, 03:28 PM)
April 2012 - Newsletter is out... biggrin.gif

Happy Reading
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tq for sharing..
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post Apr 10 2012, 12:21 AM

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Hello Everyone, I am new here and as well in agriculture, can any sifu here point me some direction like attending classes or seminar? thanks
TSParaOpticaL
post Apr 12 2012, 09:28 AM

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hi bro,

what kind of courses or seminar are you looking at ?



QUOTE(exposeding @ Apr 10 2012, 12:21 AM)
Hello Everyone, I am new here and as well in agriculture, can any sifu here point me some direction like attending classes or seminar? thanks
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MrFarmer
post Apr 15 2012, 07:48 PM

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Looking for Vitato Sweet Potato cutting/tuber. Want to test out planting these. Anyone can help?

http://www.mardi.my/c/document_library/get...2&groupId=10138

Something interesting to share
Enhancing Food Processing by Normah Binti Omar, Food Technology Research Center, MARDI
http://www.fama.gov.my/html/themes/fama/do...NORMAH_OMAR.pdf
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post Apr 16 2012, 04:16 PM

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Agriculture, aquaculture. I dont mind attending any type of seminar, or talk. Trying to start my eco farm soon, any idea for a stepping stone?


QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 12 2012, 09:28 AM)
hi bro,

what kind of courses or seminar are you looking at ?
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Kg Teratai
post Apr 16 2012, 04:43 PM

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Hi All,

Busy Busy and finally have time to update here.

Here are the oil palm yields that I have recorded past 9 times for 5 arches,

10 Dec 1.5 tonnes
24 Dec 1.67 tonnes
7 Jan 0.81 tonnes
29 Jan 1.4 tonnes
13 Feb 0.78 tonnes
3 Mar 1 tonnes
17 Mar 0.58 tonnes
31 Mar 0.63 tonnes
14 Apr 1.1 tonnes

Next month have to apply fertelizer again. sad.gif Which is costly.

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TSParaOpticaL
post Apr 16 2012, 05:43 PM

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on your eco farm, where is it ?? would it be possible to visit it....am thinking about a mushroom house...haha but i have no idea about it.

agriculture you can head to www.DOA.gov.my or respective states

QUOTE(exposeding @ Apr 16 2012, 04:16 PM)
Agriculture, aquaculture. I dont mind attending any type of seminar, or talk. Trying to start my eco farm soon, any idea for a stepping stone?
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Added on April 16, 2012, 6:07 pmtry this link for Perak Agriculture courses

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?btsvcbkp3m6a46n

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Michael J.
post Apr 17 2012, 08:53 AM

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Para:

If you are interested in a mushroom house, you can check up Vita Mushroom in Tanjung Sepat. They do have training and offer visitors a tour around their place. But do set an appointment with them ahead of time.

And they also do offer technical services on mushroom farming.
TSParaOpticaL
post Apr 17 2012, 05:08 PM

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hi bro...thanks for the headsup as usual....

was attending a Kursus Tanaman Tebu by Jab Pertanian NS and then i got a call from Jalur Salju S/B that their CEO would like to visit my farm tomorrow....

what a surprise....haha biggrin.gif
Michael J.
post Apr 19 2012, 08:47 AM

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Thought you guys would like to know:

Malaysia target 1.7 million tons of fish to meet domestic demand
http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v6/newsindex.php?id=659441

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Hi guys,

I am looking for a plot with cement ponds for rental. So hope you guys have any lead that can be recommended. Looking for those abandoned catfish ponds. The plot need not to be big. Just 10-20 ponds of 10x10x3 feet or similar capacity. It's a pioneer project to study some feasibility issues. Location around Selangor preferably from Sg Buloh up to north or towards Kuala Selangor but any location within Selangor can be recommended.

Thanks!
TSParaOpticaL
post Apr 22 2012, 03:53 PM

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Some photos of my Banana Plants

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need to start chopping off the suckers...
MrFarmer
post Apr 22 2012, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Apr 22 2012, 03:53 PM)
Some photos of my Banana Plants


need to start chopping off the suckers...
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Berangan? Tissue cultured? How long since you planted it?
Wish I'm close to your farm, and can collect the suckers from you biggrin.gif
Noticed that there is a poly pipe running across. These banana on dripping irrigation?

Received your PM, shall check it out.

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Have this Banana on my farm, not sure what type it is, the petals of the flower is very huge, don't think it's Berangan as normally it's not that big. Could it be Cavendish? or we have a gigantic Banana here.

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jason1986
post Apr 22 2012, 07:54 PM

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Hi guys, if not mistaken some of the active members here are from sabah right?

Would be much obliged if those in sabah could give me a rough idea of the price of land in sabah in particular those in Kg Kelawat. I'm assuming it is Kg Kelawat as he tells me it is stated as mukim kelawat in the title.

My friend got a piece of land in Kg Kelawat (district of tuaran, mukim kelawat), for sale. Would like to know in general how much is the price of land in that area? He is asking for RM20,000.00 per acre which according to him is a very good price.

A search on mudah shows that most land near tamparuli is asking for RM30,000.00 per acre.

It is accessible by car and is near to tamparuli town (15 mins). It is a CL title for 99 years starting from 1963, non bumi. He says it is a bit hilly and is suitable for rubber plantation and totaling 21.45 acres.

Any of you have any idea as to the price? Would hiring a valuer to value the land before i buy be a good idea? And roughly how much will it cost?

Any input is much appreciated and is preceded with a million thanks.




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post Apr 23 2012, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(jason1986 @ Apr 22 2012, 07:54 PM)
Hi guys, if not mistaken some of the active members here are from sabah right?

Would be much obliged if those in sabah could give me a rough idea of the price of land in sabah in particular those in Kg Kelawat. I'm assuming it is Kg Kelawat as he tells me it is stated as mukim kelawat in the title.

My friend got a piece of land in Kg Kelawat (district of tuaran, mukim kelawat), for sale. Would like to know in general how much is the price of land in that area? He is asking for RM20,000.00 per acre which according to him is a very good price.

A search on mudah shows that most land near tamparuli is asking for RM30,000.00 per acre.

It is accessible by car and is near to tamparuli town (15 mins). It is a CL title for 99 years starting from 1963, non bumi. He says it is a bit hilly and is suitable for rubber plantation and totaling 21.45 acres.

Any of you have any idea as to the price? Would hiring a valuer to value the land before i buy be a good idea? And roughly how much will it cost?

Any input is much appreciated and is preceded with a million thanks.
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Hi Jason, I operate a small farm in Sabah. Sorry, am not familiar with that area at the present.

Acquiring land, (my personal opinion) is an art (like courting biggrin.gif ). Would suggest you do a preliminary visit first. Check out the land and surrounding area. Talk with the locals. Get as much information as possible. Spend some time there.

If you have a "feel" then only go for an in-depth assessment.

Jason, you a Sabahan? In Sabah? Maybe we can meet up 1 day to Yam Chai (drinks). I have very keen interest in Rubbers Trees too.

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