sorry guys...havent been active in lowyat for the pass few days...

sitting at home reading books for SPM..

Anyway,,what is there to explain?

As far as i can remembered,I deal with impcs on the Amplifier for RM200

He confirm with me and in the end,no reply for a few days...Its just like an auction,you won the bid,and you say you have no money to pay??

Well,face the music

nontheless, i've told u to cancel deal before the deal date.. u got nothing to lose also

Dandan...
doing business it's not just up to one customer
IF the deal is ON, it's still not going anywhere unless he pay you...
just imagine u open a shop, then somebody come and said want to buy your goods
but he said have to go to the ATM machine, will come back later BUT he didn't show up
would you be angry with your customer?

in Garage Sales there's hundreds of potential buyer
if u can't get it (the customer) today doesn't mean that you can't get it next week..

Face the music of what? You yourself should face the music of selling items
The deal is NOT ON until he pay you...
There's no black n white on this, just PMs and PMs cannot consider as black & white
eventhough, imperialrealcs doesn't use his real name to deal with you, just some nickname is one of the forum he joined....
for me, black n white is when he pay you BUT suddenly he want to refund what so ever, then, there's some issues to discuss!!

you are wrong. Try to look into contract law. Even verbal agreement is considered a contract. PMs is definitely viable as a legal contract.

For the past case, between dandan and imperial, eventhough it's not a serious case, someone is still at fault. Who do you think is at fault? Read the previous case thread is you don't know. Don't just jump to conclusion based on postings here. I will say dandan certainly is not at fault. If he wants imperial to "face the music" then so be it. He have all the rights to it.

I am sorry to imperial if it seems I am against you but it's nothing personal.

I know...BUT the verbal agreement is between imperiarealcs and dandan
not between their real name what so ever
for me once you transfer the money, that's the deal for me...

it's up to u disagree

so u think all safe trader have never ffk before? i think there are plenty who ffk is juz that not all seller act like dandan.. apologise is given n yet, he dont accept it So what can i do? And u think this ffk case justify the removal of my safe trader tag n to be put in MO list? besides, dandan still have nothing to lose.. no money lost, no energy lost, no fuel lost etc..

btw, his amp is not that real cheap.. coz im still noob that time n i get better offer from hellfire8888 ... same price, higher rating, 4channels amp.. if given both option, of coz i will opt for hellfire8888's amp.. my assumption is, dandan wanted to get rid of the amp ASAP.. then im the only buyer, i ffk, he damn angry coz thinkin he already get rid the amp

imperial, you might want to review back one of the listed criteria for a safe trader tag.



While we might consider changing the 'never' to something less definite, the fact is you as a safe trader are to adhere to a high level of conduct in buying and selling. It would seem to be, from your replies that you think you do not have to adhere to this. We will consider removing your name from the MO list once this issue is settled, but your chances of getting back your safe trader tag is almost as good as gone.

May this be an example to all safe traders, we do NOT give out the tag for fun, and you are to respect the tag as much as a potential buyer/seller respects you for having the tag. This is not some auction site where being a safe trader means having been verified and have 101 successful trades. In here, being a safe trader means someone who the community respects, and someone who is expected to behave in a professional manner in all dealings related to this trade zone.

in other word, u mean the way how uglyvamp traded is consider as high level of conduct? i noe i wont get any merit for replying what i think is contradict but at least i feel satisfied

let admin do the judging...no point fighting

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Added on January 29, 2007, 7:09 pmdont compare with other people.Why dont you complain that you are not rich enough than others?Blame God then

This post has been edited by dandan2: Jan 29 2007, 07:09 PM

imperialrealcs, omg. Yes, maybe some safe traders FFK some ppl and they handle the situation with those people to that party's satisfaction so those cases were never brought up here.

You on the other hand didn't. The seller was still not happy and you loftily offered up your safe trader tag.

How does that translate to us? This is what it sounds like: 'The offence is minor that I can offer my ST tag and suggest to be entered in the MO list. I mean I only FFK him FGS. They'll never do it for something like that.'

I'm not familiar with the uglyvamp case, but the "he did it and got away with it, so I should too" excuse doesn't work here.

We may be harsh, and its probably against public opinion, but if we reinstate your safe trader tag it'll make a mockery of our stringent rules for even getting the tag.

i hope u can quote me for saying 'I can offer my ST tag '
n since it is minor offence, i dont see why my safe trader tag is strip off..
btw RBR, read thread started by 'hari' to get the case

"mod, i'm ready to be in Minor Offence with some warning for my offences sweat.gif" = MO = did not "adhere to a high level of conduct when doing transactions" = no Safe Trader Tag.

"soo thats y i've said many times in my previous post that u can give me warning n put me into whatever list as suggested.." - removal of Safe Trader Tag not warning enough? And u're on the MO list.

Uglyvamp name being mentioned a number of time here, the link to refresh:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/375455

imperialrealcs, I feel sorry for you.

Uglyvamp said he did not care about the tag, so the mod let him keep the tag. It is reverse psychology

You should do the same

For uglyvamp's case, i believe he did not have his tag stripped cause in the end the complainants accepted his explanation and the case was settled there (correct me if i'm wrong)

If hari or davidletterboyz felt it was not enough and wants his safe trader tag removed, they can continue to complaint and in the end that will happen
What other unrelated ppl think doesn't matter here, this is not a popularity section where we take votes on what to be done

PM me if u want that thread reopened so that u can continue your complaint

This post has been edited by KilJim: Jan 29 2007, 11:05 PM

nevermind la imperialrealcs,

eventhough your safe trader tag is gone for good
u still have business to run right?

life goes on dude, chill up!

agreed.. afterall, this dispute corner is a funny 1 coz mod can simply strip people's tag juz because the opposing side wanted to without further discussion..
n in uglyvamp case, he did mention he does not care bout the safe trader tag but he still can have it
so my conclusion here is mod doesnt really do consideration based on the severity of offence..

No, mod stripped your tag because you asked for it to be stripped. You also admitted fault. Not because the other party requested. You did.




Then, mod did consideration. Mod looked at safe trader factors:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/111861

Even though your offence is not very severe, it is still sufficient to warrant removal of the Safe Trader tag. How would the other people unsuccessful in their applications feel when they see someone like you who have admitted to committing an offence (and is in the MO list as a result of that) get to keep your tag?

This post has been edited by RBR: Jan 31 2007, 10:19 AM

u make it too rush/harsh without further consideration.. i said that juz because i wana settle the dispute fast.. besides, it is not even a dispute.. if ffk is eligable to get his/her name in MO list, then i dont see any fair treatment here as i can see alot ffk cases is going on.. or u gona say, 'because u ask for it'?
im ready to be in, BUT, do i deserve that?
or did u hold any grudge on me?


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/375455/+40
take this! this is quoted in hari thread.. that also means he is ready and ask to be be strip the safe trader tag.. DO IT~
no double standard please

ps.. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/111861
uglyvamp did ask for safetrader tag.. what a shame.. anyhow, juz strip it off by all mean.. or u gona say, 'he active in here more than u do n i think he is trusted' thingy
what the hell, im risking to get holidays juz because i challenge admin.. but i think it is worth to see how corrupt they are (certain admin/mod/enforcer) only.. to those not related, sorry
and i also hope no 'you tak suka lowyat.net, u keluar dari lowyat.net' thingy
i love lowyat.net, juz like how i love malaysia, but i juz dont like the way how corrupt they work.. maybe admin got absolute power in this case which is either to give or not is completely up to them

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 31 2007, 10:57 AM

As a comparison, between hari and uglyvamp.

Right after uglyvamp said bye bye. Buyer is still frustrated.


That's from the trade starter.

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Added on January 31, 2007, 12:12 pmTo conclude, since uglyvamp gets to keep his safe trader tag even he suggest of removing it.. then what about imperialrealcs name is still in the MO?

This post has been edited by suiteng: Jan 31 2007, 12:12 PM