Well, you asked for it to be in the MO list, so I did just that.  If you're a MO, you obviously can't hold the Safe Trader tag.  Its just too contradictory.  So that has to go too. 

But if the other party forgives you, I am prepared to reinstate your tag upon review.  That said, I appreciate your candour in admitting fault quickly enough

Goodness...dont u all read before replying?
He didn't have his tag stripped because of the seriousness of the case
It was because he volunteered for it himself, so if he wants it i dont see a reason why it shouldnt be done

Blind? You are one of the parties in the dispute and you agreed that you deserve such punishment. Who are we to deny your request? If you had approached the matter in a mature and calm manner, you would have realised that saying such things is foolish to begin with.

I highly suggest you learn to quit while you're ahead. You were on the road to getting your Safe Trader tag back, don't poke the hornets nest again.

Let me get this straight. Disputer wants satisfaction, u say, 'u can take away my safe trader tag n put me on the MO, we do that, disputer is happy. Now u r saying screw the disputer i'm not happy? U know u told us to punish that way if it made the disputer happy. Now u tell we should have not punished u that way n used our heads to come up with lesser punishment because the first one u suggest is unfair.

As RBR said, ask the disputer to come in here n say that he forgives u enough to have ur safe trader tag returned n ur name removed from the MO list.

IMHO, type of punishment should be given based on enforcers' judgement of the case and not to be influenced by both plaintif and defendant.

well, its your fault for disrespecting the tag. Just because you have it, doesn't mean you can't loose it, and throwing it around as though it doesn't mean anything to you was your own fault. While you could be the greatest trader in the world, please respect our rules, and our way of doing things in here.

While i do understand that this is a trivial case, your attitude of "i'm above the law" does not help you one bit. As a safe trader, you have an obligation to behave in a reputable manner. Solve your dispute and we'll reinstate your status - and make sure you treat the tag with more respect, because i'm sure now you know, it does have its values.

The difference between your case and uglyvamp's case is that he never requested his tag to be removed, and also, we understood that he required more time to settle the dispute (not that he was avoiding the dispute and behaving as if he didn't give a damn about the dispute).

The rule on "if you loose the tag, you will never get it back" only applies to unsettled disputes, or unresolved complaints against the holder of a safe trader tag. In any transaction, there will be disputes, the way you handle and solve it is what makes you worth being called a safe trader. As many will know, we don't simply give out the tags to everybody who asks.

I guess if he doesn't wanna come here, that means he probably doesn't wanna pursue this matter anymore. No news is good news? 

I think this is a matter of respect & understanding

I also made a deal to buy somebody DVD player, everything is confirmed BUT something happened n i need to use the money 1st n promised to contact him before CNY
he understood what had happened to me n OK with it
our deal is, if somebody want it within this time, i agreed if he want to sell the DVD player to other forumers

problem between imperialrealcs n dandan is matter of understanding n respect
dandan in a matter of fact, for me is a rude seller
just imagine if u have a shop, somebody come to your shop n say that he/she want to buy an item in your shop but say to you that he/she has to go to ATM machine to withdraw the money first and somemore said he/she want to buy this item for his/her friend...
after few minutes, the customer didn't return back...
so, in this kind of situation, do u get angry with a customer like this?
it happen everyday, customer come n go,
if u have luck, another customer will come n buy the item from u
not just simply state that imperialrealcs is your final customer
it is rude in terms of business attitude...

for imperialrealcs, when u face this kind of problem, don't just simply admit your wrongdoing and don't say you don't mind if your safetrader tag being taken off...
if you want to defend yourself, don't do that yet unless you have proven guilty
AND one more thing, if u know dandan mad at u, u should PM him
apologise to him n will try to find a customer for him
in a way to boost his sale...

to MOD, don't be too harsh on imperialrealcs
this is his first mistake i guest, n please try to just give him a last warning
not just simply took his safetrader tag...
for me the problem isn't that big or anything like he want to con people
he is well known trader in LY n people knew him well...

i think both party didn't have respect & understanding...

my 2 cents

It doesnt matter if you have a safe trader tag or not...if you got a good reputation then its good then.You got a full list of sucessful tradelist..people will still believe you.

I thought is just a matter that TS felt that unfair for him...You can imagine
- his case is a bit only, and he admitted his fault, and took his punishment
- other's case he mentioned I think is worse and more serious, and they didn't admit the faults but nothing happened
If like me, I also felt not comfortable la...IMO, he said that put him in whatever list just because he wants to settle the thing
If MOD is more sensitive then everything is ok...

the problem is dat, sumtimes ur customer isnt just ony from lyn, or mayb it cud be sum newbie in this forum. and watz da 1st impression this ppl wud have to TS? omg, in MO list! dun buy from him!. nt everyone wud look into his case. and for sum ppl once ur blacklisted ur rep for trading indicates negativity, therefore ppl wud think twice trading with him. the worst part of all, hez 1 good seller but becoz of sum misunderstanding it turn him to a bad 1.
totally agree. actually dis case shud close since it isnt even a dispute. and yet i wonder  how it turn out da TS to be a ffk and got into MO list. mayb its becoz of the TS itself, haha dun type when ure feeling furious with sum1. it will lead u to sumthg like "PUT ME INTO THE MO LIST LA, I DUN CARe". lol

Then who's fault should it be.Once your in the MO list,seriously ur tag will be stripped off.Its like challenging the mod but in the end suffer the consequences.

So why is this thread still moving?.

sorry guys...havent been active in lowyat for the pass few days...

sitting at home reading books for SPM..

Anyway,,what is there to explain?

As far as i can remembered,I deal with impcs on the Amplifier for RM200

He confirm with me and in the end,no reply for a few days...Its just like an auction,you won the bid,and you say you have no money to pay??

Well,face the music

you are wrong. Try to look into contract law. Even verbal agreement is considered a contract. PMs is definitely viable as a legal contract.

For the past case, between dandan and imperial, eventhough it's not a serious case, someone is still at fault. Who do you think is at fault? Read the previous case thread is you don't know. Don't just jump to conclusion based on postings here. I will say dandan certainly is not at fault. If he wants imperial to "face the music" then so be it. He have all the rights to it.

I am sorry to imperial if it seems I am against you but it's nothing personal.

imperial, you might want to review back one of the listed criteria for a safe trader tag.
While we might consider changing the 'never' to something less definite, the fact is you as a safe trader are to adhere to a high level of conduct in buying and selling. It would seem to be, from your replies that you think you do not have to adhere to this. We will consider removing your name from the MO list once this issue is settled, but your chances of getting back your safe trader tag is almost as good as gone.

May this be an example to all safe traders, we do NOT give out the tag for fun, and you are to respect the tag as much as a potential buyer/seller respects you for having the tag. This is not some auction site where being a safe trader means having been verified and have 101 successful trades. In here, being a safe trader means someone who the community respects, and someone who is expected to behave in a professional manner in all dealings related to this trade zone.

imperialrealcs, omg. Yes, maybe some safe traders FFK some ppl and they handle the situation with those people to that party's satisfaction so those cases were never brought up here.

You on the other hand didn't. The seller was still not happy and you loftily offered up your safe trader tag.

How does that translate to us? This is what it sounds like: 'The offence is minor that I can offer my ST tag and suggest to be entered in the MO list. I mean I only FFK him FGS. They'll never do it for something like that.'

No, mod stripped your tag because you asked for it to be stripped.  You also admitted fault.  Not because the other party requested.  You did.
Then, mod did consideration.  Mod looked at safe trader factors:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/111861

Even though your offence is not very severe, it is still sufficient to warrant removal of the Safe Trader tag.  How would the other people unsuccessful in their applications feel when they see someone like you who have admitted to committing an offence (and is in the MO list as a result of that) get to keep your tag?

Safe Trader or not Safe Trader, its fine with me. it was automatically presented by the admins the moment they enforced the new system, and i thank them for that without applying for it.

however, i'm sorry to them that the Safe Trader status caused the admins a bit of an answers to u guys.

If removing the status make u all feel good, by all means, go ahead.

First off, you treated the dispute LIGHTLY and acted THE FOOL by saying no, OFFERING yourself for punishment. You FLAUNTED your arrogance in our faces what you expect us to do? You are made an example of what it means to "adhere to a high level of conduct".
uglyvamp explained from top to bottom the whole process. He then offered compensation "And every missing items u have, I'll Re-send again at my own cost. Or refund at my own cost & even pay u back the psotage money."

As to saying he surrandered his Safe Trader Tag "Safe Trader or not Safe Trader, its fine with me. it was automatically presented by the admins the moment they enforced the new system, and i thank them for that without applying for it.", it reads that if we remove the Safe Trader Tag after the explaination and compensation offered then he is fine by the decision.

Corruption? You are asking us to be corrupt by breaking the rules we laid down. We even told you the correct OPTION on reversing the circumstances that you are in. But you still argued that the matter was minor and of not importantance thus making dandan refuse any CONCILIATION.

Now a last point for you to understand, any matter brought up in the Dispute Resolution Corner, no matter how small is still treated by us with the utmost importantance. If the disputer is satistified at the solution present or that the guilty party proves their innocence than all is well. If not then of course we will take the action available to us.

Absolute power? Corruption? You either have not been here long enough to see how we work or don't understand the words or just don't appreciate   the effect that goes into running, maintaining, a free forum where traders can do businesses with relative confidence and safety. By all means should you know a better way to run such a forum, please by all means open one and lets see how you fair at the helm.

I don't get paid to strip your safe trader tag.  Now you've really made us pissed by imputing alleging 'corruption'. 

This issue is settled as far as I'm concerned.