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post Jan 26 2007, 02:07 PM

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QUOTE(vikingw2k @ Jan 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
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post Jan 26 2007, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(se7en @ Jan 26 2007, 01:17 PM)
well, its your fault for disrespecting the tag. Just because you have it, doesn't mean you can't loose it, and throwing it around as though it doesn't mean anything to you was your own fault. While you could be the greatest trader in the world, please respect our rules, and our way of doing things in here.

While i do understand that this is a trivial case, your attitude of "i'm above the law" does not help you one bit. As a safe trader, you have an obligation to behave in a reputable manner. Solve your dispute and we'll reinstate your status - and make sure you treat the tag with more respect, because i'm sure now you know, it does have its values.

The difference between your case and uglyvamp's case is that he never requested his tag to be removed, and also, we understood that he required more time to settle the dispute (not that he was avoiding the dispute and behaving as if he didn't give a damn about the dispute).

The rule on "if you loose the tag, you will never get it back" only applies to unsettled disputes, or unresolved complaints against the holder of a safe trader tag. In any transaction, there will be disputes, the way you handle and solve it is what makes you worth being called a safe trader. As many will know, we don't simply give out the tags to everybody who asks.
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unsettled dispute? i dont see any dispute here.. anyhow, i've pm'ed dandan2 to come over but to no avail sad.gif
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post Jan 26 2007, 11:49 PM

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I guess if he doesn't wanna come here, that means he probably doesn't wanna pursue this matter anymore. No news is good news? hmm.gif

QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 26 2007, 11:40 PM)
unsettled dispute? i dont see any dispute here.. anyhow, i've pm'ed dandan2 to come over but to no avail sad.gif
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post Jan 27 2007, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(sunauto @ Jan 26 2007, 11:49 PM)
I guess if he doesn't wanna come here, that means he probably doesn't wanna pursue this matter anymore. No news is good news?  hmm.gif
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as i check his account, he hasnt online for 2days edi.. which is his last active is 24th
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post Jan 27 2007, 01:53 AM

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Keep monitoring, if he's online and refuses to come here, you can just tell the mods that it ain't your fault, you have sincerely invited him to come here so if he doesn't wanna come here, then I guess you should get back your safe trader tag as there's no dispute anymore.


QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 27 2007, 12:12 AM)
as i check his account, he hasnt online for 2days edi.. which is his last active is 24th
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post Jan 27 2007, 11:25 AM

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I think this is a matter of respect & understanding

I also made a deal to buy somebody DVD player, everything is confirmed BUT something happened n i need to use the money 1st n promised to contact him before CNY
he understood what had happened to me n OK with it
our deal is, if somebody want it within this time, i agreed if he want to sell the DVD player to other forumers

problem between imperialrealcs n dandan is matter of understanding n respect
dandan in a matter of fact, for me is a rude seller
just imagine if u have a shop, somebody come to your shop n say that he/she want to buy an item in your shop but say to you that he/she has to go to ATM machine to withdraw the money first and somemore said he/she want to buy this item for his/her friend...
after few minutes, the customer didn't return back...
so, in this kind of situation, do u get angry with a customer like this?
it happen everyday, customer come n go,
if u have luck, another customer will come n buy the item from u
not just simply state that imperialrealcs is your final customer
it is rude in terms of business attitude...

for imperialrealcs, when u face this kind of problem, don't just simply admit your wrongdoing and don't say you don't mind if your safetrader tag being taken off...
if you want to defend yourself, don't do that yet unless you have proven guilty
AND one more thing, if u know dandan mad at u, u should PM him
apologise to him n will try to find a customer for him
in a way to boost his sale...

to MOD, don't be too harsh on imperialrealcs
this is his first mistake i guest, n please try to just give him a last warning
not just simply took his safetrader tag...
for me the problem isn't that big or anything like he want to con people
he is well known trader in LY n people knew him well...

i think both party didn't have respect & understanding...

my 2 cents
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post Jan 27 2007, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 26 2007, 11:40 PM)
unsettled dispute? i dont see any dispute here.. anyhow, i've pm'ed dandan2 to come over but to no avail sad.gif
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he means you will NEVER get back your safetrader tag if you have unsettled dispute. For your case, it is sort of settled, therefore the rules doesn't apply here. So, with enough begging and good behaviour, they might reinstate your safetrader tag.

Here is my little opinion. Mods should give your a period of time say 3 months. If within that 3 months you prove yourself worthy of safetrader tag, then you will get it back. After all, it's you who ask it to be removed. Then you ask it to be restored immediately? Not so easy man...think before you leap. Goodluck.
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post Jan 27 2007, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(madstone @ Jan 27 2007, 11:25 AM)
I think this is a matter of respect & understanding

I also made a deal to buy somebody DVD player, everything is confirmed BUT something happened n i need to use the money 1st n promised to contact him before CNY
he understood what had happened to me n OK with it
our deal is, if somebody want it within this time, i agreed if he want to sell the DVD player to other forumers

problem between imperialrealcs n dandan is matter of understanding n respect
dandan in a matter of fact, for me is a rude seller
just imagine if u have a shop, somebody come to your shop n say that he/she want to buy an item in your shop but say to you that he/she has to go to ATM machine to withdraw the money first and somemore said he/she want to buy this item for his/her friend...
after few minutes, the customer didn't return back...
so, in this kind of situation, do u get angry with a customer like this?
it happen everyday, customer come n go,
if u have luck, another customer will come n buy the item from u
not just simply state that imperialrealcs is your final customer
it is rude in terms of business attitude...

for imperialrealcs, when u face this kind of problem, don't just simply admit your wrongdoing and don't say you don't mind if your safetrader tag being taken off...
if you want to defend yourself, don't do that yet unless you have proven guilty
AND one more thing, if u know dandan mad at u, u should PM him
apologise to him n will try to find a customer for him
in a way to boost his sale...

to MOD, don't be too harsh on imperialrealcs
this is his first mistake i guest, n please try to just give him a last warning
not just simply took his safetrader tag...
for me the problem isn't that big or anything like he want to con people
he is well known trader in LY n people knew him well...

i think both party didn't have respect & understanding...

my 2 cents
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yeah, i do learn lesson now sad.gif never admit ur own fault sad.gif
but 1 thing.. i never ask to withdraw my safe trader tag.. besides, i already told him that im sorry several times via pm n messenger.. we need his clarification here as i dont want other people think im boasting around.. nontheless, he doesnt accept my apologies n hence he start the thread..
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QUOTE(abubin @ Jan 27 2007, 03:33 PM)
Here is my little opinion. Mods should give your a period of time say 3 months. If within that 3 months you prove yourself worthy of safetrader tag, then you will get it back. After all, it's you who ask it to be removed. Then you ask it to be restored immediately? Not so easy man...think before you leap. Goodluck.
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Yeahhh
agreed with that,
come out with warning what so ever
took off his safe trader tag is something big man
his business will ruin a bit
and who's responsible on this?


QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 27 2007, 03:37 PM)
yeah, i do learn lesson now sad.gif never admit ur own fault sad.gif
but 1 thing.. i never ask to withdraw my safe trader tag.. besides, i already told him that im sorry several times via pm n messenger.. we need his clarification here as i dont want other people think im boasting around.. nontheless, he doesnt accept my apologies n hence he start the thread..
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That's y i called him rude seller!
Like the one we have at Petaling Street
You don't want to buy, i call my friend and beat you!
similar is it???

There's a lot of potential buyer out there, why put the blame on you
that's ridiculous! totally unmatured person/seller

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post Jan 27 2007, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(madstone @ Jan 27 2007, 04:23 PM)
Yeahhh
agreed with that,
come out with warning what so ever
took off his safe trader tag is something big man
his business will ruin a bit
and who's responsible on this?
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So you mean someone should be responsible for his business? Did he pay any rent to do business here? So you mean the one who took away his tag should pay for his loss? How ridiculous doh.gif

His safe trader is removed because he is in MO list. Like one of the forummer said before, a member with safe trader tag while at the same time in the MO list is contradictory.
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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jan 27 2007, 04:30 PM)
So you mean someone should be responsible for his business? Did he pay any rent to do business here? So you mean the one who took away his tag should pay for his loss? How ridiculous  doh.gif

His safe trader is removed because he is in MO list. Like one of the forummer said before, a member with safe trader tag while at the same time in the MO list is contradictory.
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I didn't meant that
just asking who, wink.gif

this is misunderstanding situation, why we have to go like this?
just give him a warning what so ever...

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post Jan 27 2007, 04:48 PM

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It doesnt matter if you have a safe trader tag or not...if you got a good reputation then its good then.You got a full list of sucessful tradelist..people will still believe you. smile.gif
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I thought is just a matter that TS felt that unfair for him...You can imagine
- his case is a bit only, and he admitted his fault, and took his punishment
- other's case he mentioned I think is worse and more serious, and they didn't admit the faults but nothing happened
If like me, I also felt not comfortable la...IMO, he said that put him in whatever list just because he wants to settle the thing
If MOD is more sensitive then everything is ok...
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post Jan 27 2007, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(RaedeanBF2 @ Jan 27 2007, 04:48 PM)
It doesnt matter if you have a safe trader tag or not...if you got a good reputation then its good then.You got a full list of sucessful tradelist..people will still believe you. smile.gif
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the problem is dat, sumtimes ur customer isnt just ony from lyn, or mayb it cud be sum newbie in this forum. and watz da 1st impression this ppl wud have to TS? omg, in MO list! dun buy from him!. nt everyone wud look into his case. and for sum ppl once ur blacklisted ur rep for trading indicates negativity, therefore ppl wud think twice trading with him. the worst part of all, hez 1 good seller but becoz of sum misunderstanding it turn him to a bad 1.


QUOTE(Metallica23 @ Jan 27 2007, 05:04 PM)
I thought is just a matter that TS felt that unfair for him...You can imagine
- his case is a bit only, and he admitted his fault, and took his punishment
- other's case he mentioned I think is worse and more serious, and they didn't admit the faults but nothing happened
If like me, I also felt not comfortable la...IMO, he said that put him in whatever list just because he wants to settle the thing
If MOD is more sensitive then everything is ok...
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totally agree. actually dis case shud close since it isnt even a dispute. and yet i wonder how it turn out da TS to be a ffk and got into MO list. mayb its becoz of the TS itself, haha dun type when ure feeling furious with sum1. it will lead u to sumthg like "PUT ME INTO THE MO LIST LA, I DUN CARe". lol
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Then who's fault should it be.Once your in the MO list,seriously ur tag will be stripped off.Its like challenging the mod but in the end suffer the consequences.

So why is this thread still moving?.
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QUOTE(RaedeanBF2 @ Jan 27 2007, 04:48 PM)
It doesnt matter if you have a safe trader tag or not...if you got a good reputation then its good then.You got a full list of sucessful tradelist..people will still believe you. smile.gif
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theorically, ur assumption is correct.. practically, u r wrong.. if u were to check my previous post, i did say why i need the tag

QUOTE(Metallica23 @ Jan 27 2007, 05:04 PM)
I thought is just a matter that TS felt that unfair for him...You can imagine
- his case is a bit only, and he admitted his fault, and took his punishment
- other's case he mentioned I think is worse and more serious, and they didn't admit the faults but nothing happened
If like me, I also felt not comfortable la...IMO, he said that put him in whatever list just because he wants to settle the thing
If MOD is more sensitive then everything is ok...
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coz that time i wanted to solve the thing asap.. then i say put me in to whatever list without thinkin ill get safe trader tag provoked..

QUOTE(kidmad @ Jan 27 2007, 05:57 PM)
the problem is dat, sumtimes ur customer isnt just ony from lyn, or mayb it cud be sum newbie in this forum. and watz da 1st impression this ppl wud have to TS? omg, in MO list! dun buy from him!. nt everyone wud look into his case. and for sum ppl once ur blacklisted ur rep for trading indicates negativity, therefore ppl wud think twice trading with him. the worst part of all, hez 1 good seller but becoz of sum misunderstanding it turn him to a bad 1.
totally agree. actually dis case shud close since it isnt even a dispute. and yet i wonder  how it turn out da TS to be a ffk and got into MO list. mayb its becoz of the TS itself, haha dun type when ure feeling furious with sum1. it will lead u to sumthg like "PUT ME INTO THE MO LIST LA, I DUN CARe". lol
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agreed, thats y i refrain myself from posting alot to avoid more flames

QUOTE(RaedeanBF2 @ Jan 27 2007, 07:59 PM)
Then who's fault should it be.Once your in the MO list,seriously ur tag will be stripped off.Its like challenging the mod but in the end suffer the consequences.

So why is this thread still moving?.
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so who's fault do u think?
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QUOTE(March05 @ Jan 26 2007, 02:06 PM)
I would like to have this explication clarified. Does this mean that any one who loses his ST tag during a dispute can have it back if he resolves his dispute?
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May have it back, depending on the circumstances. A resolved dispute is where both parties are amicable in the solution.
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from what i understand...
u can get the safe trader tag
but if something gone wrong, for god sake, once!
your safe trader will be taken off and u will never get it back
if like that, might as well don't apply for the tag at all!
people make mistake every seconds
in this online forum, something we write sometimes doesn't relate our expression or feeling
n easily can be misunderstanding
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post Jan 28 2007, 10:07 PM

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RBR, care to do anything since dandan2 reluctant to reply here
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post Jan 29 2007, 12:23 AM

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I think you should send a PM to RBR personally.



QUOTE(imperialrealcs @ Jan 28 2007, 10:07 PM)
RBR, care to do anything since dandan2 reluctant to reply here
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