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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V12!

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post Jan 1 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Jan 1 2017, 11:15 PM)
tqvm bro, just want to ask, I've seen you signature before, and saw that you're using a 512Gb M.2 SSD. I've watched videos regarding SSD and it looks like a M.2 SSD read and write speed is much faster compared to a SATA SSD. just want to ask for an opinion, if you have the money, is it worth it to go for M.2 instead of a normal SATA SSD ? and not all motherboard support M.2 right ?
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There are 2 types of M.2 SSD in the market, SATA based M.2 SSD and NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD, M.2 is just an 'interface' or 'connector'.

NVMe PCIe SSD is very fast but it is not worth my money if you ask me, I can't feel its existence in normal real life usage (I am just a normal user biggrin.gif), yes my PC does boot up few seconds faster than my normal SATA SSD but it still doesn't worth my money at least for me, I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it now (unless you are very rich happy.gif), wait for the cost and price to settle down first in the next few years. I bought it at a discounted price last time just to try it out and decided to keep it till now as my main daily driver FYI.

SATA based M.2 SSD is much cheaper, almost identical to 2.5" SATA SSD, speed wise is also similar to 2.5" SATA SSD as they are using SATA interface. And yes not all mobo support M.2, even if it does support M.2, you will need to check whether it supports NVMe or not before purchasing a NVMe PCIe M.2 SSD, if it doesn't, you can only install a SATA based M.2 SSD (like most of the laptops only support SATA M.2 SSD, except the newer one).
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post Jan 2 2017, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Jan 2 2017, 11:14 AM)
I see, I've been confused about this M.2 SSD before. I think, it'll be much better to put the money for let say a 1Tb SSD instead a M.2 NVMe SSD. If I were to use this NVMe SSD, Does my motherboard as per sigi support a NVMe SSD where my mobo have this M.2 with PCIe 3.0x4 interface ? Does frequent load a big file>1.5Gb considered normal user ?  sweat.gif
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For pure speedy storage, SATA SSD is still more worth for now. And your mobo supports both SATA and PCIe M.2 SSD, 1.5GB is nothing since it can be transferred in just few seconds even with SATA SSD (provided the destination drive isn't too slow) biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ikhwan1234 @ Jan 2 2017, 12:45 PM)
Another question. I've did some googling and research on the power supply you suggested, it seems to be a lower tier power supply. will this affect the longevity of the rig? If so, i would think its better to buy a better psu rather than upgrading the GC from 1050 ti to a 1060, right ?

EDIT: does it worth it to spend 100 ringgit more on psu? If yes, any suggestions?. Thanks
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Good PSU doesn't come cheap, mostly starts from RM 400+/-, a top up of RM 100 can only grant you a PSU that is slightly better than the currently chosen one though.

If you still can find Seasonic S12II 520/620 in the market, then it should be the one that is closest to your budget, around RM 300+/-.

QUOTE(Zanmai0146 @ Jan 2 2017, 07:30 PM)
Any difference for 3gb and 6gb?
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3GB is slightly slower than the 6GB model (around 90%) due to less CUDA cores.
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post Jan 3 2017, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(budakbharu @ Jan 2 2017, 09:52 PM)
could a sifu please list the current basic gaming rig? no budget in mind.
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Budget matters the most biggrin.gif

If you have no requirement on the settings that you can run, then a 2k rig should be enough (add RM 500 for a basic FHD monitor).

2k rig consists of baisc i3 + GTX1050 2GB.

QUOTE(bansheelipsx @ Jan 3 2017, 02:51 AM)
[Budget] RM2k~4k

[Purpose] CSGO max setting , mutli programming (needed i7 6800k)

[Hardwares that will be re-use] I already have 2 x 8gb ram, 120gb ssd, 450w psu

[Monitor resolution] - will be using current benQ 24inch 60hz

[Games & softwares that use frequently] - currenly when i on 10 x program (currently using i5 4460 @ 100% cpu usage, hence i need upgrade to process my work easier)

[Personal preferences] - plan to couple that i7 6800k with either gtx 750 or gtx 1050 (for some medium/high setting games)

[Location] - melaka
Im kinda fixed on getting i7 6800k / gtx 750 TI (around 2.8k) but would like to get some opinions/recommendation on the following:

Mobo - kindly recommend a good brand/decent price/ long lasting)
Casing - my room dont have aircond willing to spend some budget on this
Also i'm open to other suggestion too
Current rig

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thanks in advance for ur suggestion & happy new year !
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Sorry to tell you that you will need to buy new DDR4 RAM because Broadwell-E only supports DDR4 RAM. X99 (LGA2011-v3) mobo is very expensive and the total cost will be over your budget.

Intel Core i7 6800K - RM 1992
MSI X99A Raider - RM 960 Should be the cheapest for now
GSKill Ripjaws V 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2400MHz RAM - RM 475
Palit GTX1050 2GB GDDR5 StormX - RM 565

Total: RM 3992 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Bear in mind that CPU cooler and casing aren't included yet, you will need more top up to your available budget to be able to fit both of them. CPU cooler is needed for i7 6800K because it doesn't come with any stock cooler.

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post Jan 3 2017, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Jan 3 2017, 12:43 PM)
I want to ask... any idea when Kaby Lake & Z270 Mobo will release? January 2017?
Thank you ~  notworthy.gif
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They will be unveiled this week in CES 2017 (mostly 5th of Jan).
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post Jan 3 2017, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Jan 3 2017, 02:22 PM)
like last time i talk about .. i planning get my "new rig this january" .
then i heard kaby lake will be release jan 2017.

So u think, i should wait for kaby lake (i7-7700k with Asus z270 formula?)
or just go with i7-6700k with Asus Maximus VIII Formula ?
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I will wait if I am not in a hurry since the price is almost identical.

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post Jan 4 2017, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(TSD Tech & ITS @ Jan 3 2017, 05:11 PM)
After my last post and reply from terence_nwb, I did some research and update to my rig project

Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1300 (Ideal Tech PC)
MSI B150 Gaming M3 - RM 655 (Json)
KINGSTON KVR21N15/8 Non-ECC DDR4 CL15 (8GB 2133MHz x 2) RM720 (swisspac)
MSI GTX1080 8GB GDDR5X Gaming X - RM 3700 (Json)
Kingston UV400 480GB SSD - RM 600 (Json)
WD 1 TB 7200rpm, 64mb, Sata III (Blue) WD10EZEX - RM 238 (TechView)

PSU - ?
Casing - ?

Already had a monitor
1920 X 1080
Samsung LS27F350FHEXXM

Location: Dungun, Terengganu.

Can I have a suggestion for PSU and suitable casing. I would love a high quality and performance PSU and nothing fancy for the casing.
Thank you.
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EVGA SuperNova 550 G2/EVGA SuperNova 650 GQ/Superflower Leadex Gold 550W, all around RM 450+/- and tier 1 PSU.

Nothing fancy on the casing? Looking for silent casing with no side window panel? Corsair might have few models that you are looking for then.

QUOTE(DesktopLimousine @ Jan 3 2017, 10:33 PM)
Hi everyone! I need a suggestion for HDD 2TB. Currently using 1TB WD Black but insufficient for nowadays game size. Budget is around rm300-500.
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If you want to maintain a 7200 RPM drive then Seagate Barracuda 2TB is your "budget" choice (WD Blue 2TB is only 5400 RPM so it is slower than others), price is around RM 300+/-.
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QUOTE(legenderycity @ Jan 4 2017, 11:19 AM)
Guys need some suggestion. Do you think I should upgrade to Kaby Lake from Ivy Bridge? From what I read Kaby Lake is basically the same as Skylake in terms of process and architecture. But thing is I have a chance to get Kaby Lake cheap so I'm not sure to wait for next gen or just get it for now.
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Not worth to upgrade if you are paying full amount for it.

But if you can get it at a very "attractive" price then why not? Just make sure you don't have to top up too much from your current Ivy Bridge (I assume you gonna sell it off) biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2017, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(legenderycity @ Jan 4 2017, 12:58 PM)
Hmm depending on the sell price might not need to top up much but I still need to get new mobo and DDR4 ram. My main concern is whether its worth getting Kaby Lake now since Intel is going to release their mainstream 6 core chips in 2018 and that time maybe games also require 6 core processors or maybe I'm thinking too far ahead laugh.gif
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If that's the case then I recommend you to save the money for next big upgrade instead biggrin.gif
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post Jan 4 2017, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(DesktopLimousine @ Jan 4 2017, 02:58 PM)
But ive heard that seagate is not long lasting. How does it perform with wd black 7200rpm 2tb?
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3TB variant is the one which has enormous failure rate, others are fine.

2 2TB Seagate Barracuda = 1 2TB WD Black.

I wouldn't fall for the overpriced "crap" laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Raimi0808 @ Jan 4 2017, 08:19 PM)
Hello,

for RM4550 should I get this? I don't know what GPU to put into this rig also. Any suggeestions?

PROC: Intel Core i7-6700K
MOBO: Asus Z170i Pro Gaming
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2
Ram : AVEXIR CORE DDR4 2400mhz 16GB RED LED
PSU : CX650M
Casing: Phanteks Evolv Black ITX
SSD: Samsung 850 EVO m.2 120GB
SSD: SanDisk Ultra II 960GB
HDD: 1TB Green Western Digital
Fan: Corsait SP140 GREEN LED
Monitor: Dell Se2417HG 24"
Keyboard: Razer Blackwidow Tornament Chroma Edition
Mouse: Razer Deathadder

THank you in advance for your help.
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It is way over budget for the specs you listed, you need 6k+ for it (excluding the GPU).

4.5k can get i5/i7 + GTX1060 6GB/RX480 8GB.

QUOTE(Hans90 @ Jan 4 2017, 11:57 PM)
i3 6100 RM499
MSI H110M Pro-VH RM305
Kingston Value 8GB DDR3 RAM RM239
Gigabyte GTX1050 2GB GDDR5 RM619
WD Blue 1TB RM219
FSP Hexa+ 550W PSU RM159
Casing RM120
Viewsonic VA2419-SH IPS  24" LCD RM499

Hi all, good day. I Just saw above suggestion from another post (except the monitor, I slot in myself). If my budget can be slightly increase (around RM 300) anything u guys will suggest me to upgrade? better CPU? better GPU? better PSU? add in SSD? or watever suggestion. If has any suggestion for any part in the list welcome to suggest also (include the monitor)

Btw, is that anyway can get cheaper OS window 10? original about RM 410...
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RAM doesn't fit, you need DDR4 RAM. What's the main purpose of the rig?

And you can find cheap Windows 10 key in Garage Sales, but I am not sure about the source of the cheap key though, beware of counterfeit product key.

Intel 7th gen Kaby Lake CPU is coming soon to Malaysia (within this week or this month), please refrain from buying Intel 6th gen CPU anymore if you are kind of person who always want to board the latest technology train, if you are in a rush to build a PC now, you can still go for 6th gen, the improvement of 7th gen over 6th gen isn't huge though FYI.
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QUOTE(Raimi0808 @ Jan 5 2017, 08:51 AM)
So make things clear biggrin.gif
The rig I'm planning to buy is from a guy for that price without a GPU,
Is it worth the money?
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Oh I see, I calculated, 4.5k is within the reasonable price range.
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QUOTE(Raimi0808 @ Jan 5 2017, 09:20 AM)
all GPU models are the same?
Performance wise...
should I get the most cheap version of the 1070 or pay extra and get the higher priced ones?
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Performance is almost the same, you might see few FPS ahead (like 1 to 3) for those models with higher clock speed, but you can always overclock the lower end model (with lower clock speed) to match the performance of the expensive model (with higher clock speed) manually.

Just get the cheapest model if you are tight in budget.
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QUOTE(Hans90 @ Jan 5 2017, 10:31 AM)
Mostly for gaming like dota2, sometime using for illustrator & photoshop. No, not really in rush, I can wait. I see, then I think better wait for the 7th gen first and see how (will the price of 6th gen drop dramatically?  biggrin.gif ).
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Get an i5 with the extra money then, GTX1050 is well enough for Dota 2.

Price drop rarely happens in Malaysia, the old and long obsoleted 4th gen Haswell CPU is still selling at the same price of 6th gen Skylake here doh.gif

Well in fact 7th gen Kaby Lake CPU is slightly cheaper than 6th gen Skylake (up to $10 cheaper).
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QUOTE(xNinGx @ Jan 5 2017, 01:25 PM)
Hi, I would like to build a custom rig with my old CPU.

[Budget] RM2,500

[Purpose] Coding, DotA 2, office

[Hardwares that will be re-use] AMD Phenom II 1100T Black edition

[Monitor resolution] Full HD

[Games & softwares that use frequently] DotA 2, sometimes Lightroom & Photoshop

[Personal preferences] SSD included for fast speed and dual boot Ubuntu and Windows, prefer small size case (mITX)
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AM3/AM3+ mobo in ITX form factor is nowhere to be found now so it is quite impossible to re-use your CPU for ITX build.
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QUOTE(xNinGx @ Jan 5 2017, 03:17 PM)
Hmm how about mATX?
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mATX is still possible to find, but since you only have the processor to re-use (no DDR3 RAM right?), why don't just rebuild the whole thing?
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QUOTE(xNinGx @ Jan 5 2017, 04:11 PM)
I am thinking that this processor is still capable of completing my daily task, perhaps I can save a bit on processor and spend it in other accessories. Year. I only left the processor and I have a power supply of Leadex 750W (80+ Platinum) from Super Flower brand new. Maybe I can use it as a PSU for this build?
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I see, yes you can use that PSU for this build, but it might be a little bit overkill for this setup laugh.gif

CPU re-use
Asus M5A97 R2.0 AM3+ - RM 389
GSKill Aegis 8GB DDR3 1600MHz RAM - RM 239 (can add another 8GB if needed)
Zotac GTX1050 2GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 589
Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB SSD - RM 338
Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD - RM 219
PSU re-use
Tecware F3 - RM 125

Total: RM 1899 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

I am assuming that you have a CPU cooler with you (stock or 3rd party is fine).
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QUOTE(Hans90 @ Jan 5 2017, 04:19 PM)
Hi All,

If I plan to get the Full assembled RIG at outside(viewnet) then I will installing OS (window 10) myself, as viewnet only help to install OS if get from them. Anything I have to take special attention? (maybe something like I have to install driver for those hardware manually also? or I have to do this do that also) I'm very new in this.

Thank you in advanced.
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Windows 10 will automatically install the driver for you (Internet connection is required if the driver is from Windows Update), though it might not be the latest version, especially GPU driver and sound card driver, that one you can update it manually (download from manufacturer website and execute the installer yourself).
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QUOTE(xNinGx @ Jan 5 2017, 05:12 PM)
Thank you so much man! Yea I have a prolimatech Samuel 17 for cpu cooler.
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Oops sorry I overlooked the form factor of the mobo, it is an ATX mobo.

You can consider Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2 instead (RM 244 from ETech), BIOS update might be needed to support your CPU.

I checked your CPU cooler model, it seems like it is a low profile CPU cooler? Hopefully none of the components scattered around the CPU socket is blocking your CPU cooler sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Semaba @ Jan 5 2017, 06:43 PM)
Hi, plan buy Core i5 6600 or 6600K, kindly advise motherboard for budget around RM600.

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Intel 7th gen Kaby Lake has reached Malaysia, I think you can just get Kaby Lake instead brows.gif

Overclocking, yes or no?
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QUOTE(Semaba @ Jan 5 2017, 07:16 PM)
No plan overclock.
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If you want the latest H270 series, then you can consider Gigabyte H270-HD3 (RM 549).

If don't mind about chipset age, then the older H170/B150 will be able to serve you well too, such as ASRock H170 Pro4 (around RM 500), Gigabyte H170-HD3 (around RM 500) etc.

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