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post Dec 16 2016, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 16 2016, 03:53 PM)
Brother sorry to bother u again.

Abit confuse with SSD M.2

You think very good to invest for Samsung 950 pro M.2 ??
Or just use back my current Samsung 850 SSD back ??

I check at google. Have 2 size for Samsung 950 pro M.2 (256 and 512gb)
Both size give same perfomance speed ? (Read & Write).
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950 Pro is a NVMe PCIe SSD while 850 is just a normal AHCI SATA 3 SSD, the speed difference is quite significant, same goes to the price tag sweat.gif

But SATA based SSD is already fast enough for normal users to feel its speed advantage over the traditional HDD, 950 Pro is more like a luxurious car, I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it now unless you transfer a lot of stuffs in between all the drives that you have in your rig due to its price tag, wait for few more years until the price gets settled down biggrin.gif

512GB is faster than 256GB (both read and write).
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post Dec 16 2016, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(sonyfanzz @ Dec 16 2016, 04:25 PM)
The price haven't include monitor is it ?is 2k/4k resolution look really sharp compare to 1080p?I never see 2k with my eyes before .1060 6gb is overkill for 1080p?
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Yes, not included yet.

Imagine you have a 720p screen and a 1080p screen on 7" tablet, you will notice the display and text are much sharper on the 1080p screen thanks to its higher ppi (pixel per inch). This applies to PC monitor resolution as well, higher resolution will bring more details (pixel counts are higher), thus creating a sharper display.

GTX1060 6GB is best fit for 1080p, I wouldn't call it overkill unless you aren't planning to run games at maximum settings (or 80% max etc.)
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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 16 2016, 05:00 PM)
to bad, i just thinking want to invest leftover money from downgrade GTX 1080 to 1070.. into M.2 SSD

So better just stay with my Samsung Evo SSD will do right brother ??
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Yes just stick with SATA based SSD (like 850 EVO) will do unless you have extra budget floating around and don't be fooled by "M.2 SSD" term, there is also M.2 SSD using legacy SATA like Samsung 850 EVO M.2 and its price is almost similar to the normal 2.5" SSD (speed also same, just form factor is different).
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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 16 2016, 05:37 PM)
So the 850 evo m.2 speed performance same like Sata SSD 850 evo ??

Just now you say if i doing heavy transfer 950 m.2 will be good for me right ??
How about 850 evo and 950 m.2 performance in game ?? around same ??
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Speed wise is almost identical as they are using SATA 3 and is being limited by the speed of SATA 3, unless clearance is an issue, I don't see any reason to pick the M.2 over the 2.5".

If you transfer data between two 950 Pro then you will benefit from the speedy I/O specs (provided you aren't being bottlenecked by other I/O like RAM and system cache size), if you transfer from (or to) 950 Pro to 850 Evo (example), then you will experience slightly faster transfer speed in the first few seconds (thanks to system cache), then eventually it will drop to SATA 3 speed as the 850 Evo couldn't catch up the speed of 950 Pro and 950 Pro will have to wait for the data to finish copy to 850 Evo first before continue.

And for the performance in games, well it depends on the file block design of the game files, if they are broken into small pieces then the one with higher sequential 4K read will win the competition, and no doubt 950 Pro will win it in this comparison, same goes to all the other categories, but the problem is "is it worth the extra money for a shorter loading time (for like few seconds only?)?" tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2016, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(xrain87 @ Dec 16 2016, 06:03 PM)
haha xD brother. Everytime I ask your advise, u always make me change my mind ....

like last time regarding gtx 1080 ... and now i downgrade gtx 1070
and now m.2 .. now u make me feel rather i stay at my SSD 850 evo for now .. xD

I think what u say .. make sense also.. if i spend to much.. but i never use my component very well.. that consider waste.
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I am just telling the truth, price/performance ratio is always my top priority biggrin.gif

Well I have 950 Pro 512G model, bought it last time during a sales, yes it is fast, but how much faster than a SATA 3 SSD? Hmm, for my usage (normal browsing, gaming etc), just few seconds. My desktop boots up just few seconds faster than my laptop with SATA SSD, not really worth my money if you ask me (but it's fine since I bought it at a low price) laugh.gif
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post Dec 17 2016, 08:43 AM

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QUOTE(Leon be here now @ Dec 16 2016, 09:16 PM)
what about the recent
Intel SSD 600p NVMe M.2
RM453
http://www.lelong.com.my/intel-ssd-600p-nv...7-01-Sale-I.htm

Price very similar to the 850 evo.
surely the intel has better performance vs 850evo?
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Sequential read -> yes

Sequential write -> almost identical to SATA 3 speed

4K random read/write (small block of files) -> yes but only for high end 512G & 1T model

600P is an entry level NVMe PCIe SSD, it is not as fast as 950 Pro but it is a good step for other SSD vendors to start chopping down the price of NVMe PCIe SSD by following the step taken by Intel.

QUOTE(-cmi- @ Dec 17 2016, 01:19 AM)
Hi can recommend me any build with the price range from RM1.5k to RM1.8k.
Not following hardware stuff for a while now. I'm helping friend to build rig for his family use.
Usage mostly for internet browsing, youtube, watching movies etc. No gaming.
So the price doesn't need to include the GPU.
I wonder if it can fit i5 skylake with SSD, 1tb HDD & min 8gb Ram.
And do suggest shop that provides best value price with fair service in Klang Valley. Thanks  smile.gif
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Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 520
Asus H110M-K - RM 253
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 229
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD - RM 203
Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD - RM 219
CM Elite Power 350W - RM 126
Tecware F3 - RM 125

Total: RM 1675 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

i3 is sufficient, if you really need i5 then you might need to drop the SSD as the cheapest i5 costs RM 750+.

QUOTE(irangan @ Dec 17 2016, 03:58 AM)
Due to budget constraint, will there any bottleneck if pair i5 6600 @ stock cooler with GTX 1070?

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In some games, yes, but not all, those CPU demanding games will show CPU bottleneck symptoms.
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post Dec 17 2016, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(Izzue @ Dec 17 2016, 07:42 AM)
Hi, I would like to seek some help here.

I required to upgrade the hard disk, mobo, graphic card, psu and rams.

Kindly advise a build with a budget of MYR1,500.00 max.

Just recreational gaming time with games like CS:GO, DotA and planning to get Battlefield 1.

Current casing is CM690.

Many thanks in advance!
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You want to upgrade "hard disk, mobo, graphic card, psu and rams", how about processor (since you only mentioned to re-use current casing)?
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post Dec 18 2016, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(angkee83 @ Dec 18 2016, 02:15 AM)
Hi taikor,

can you guys recommend me a gaming rig, budget around RM3000+
minimum requirement must be GTX 1060 and above...
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Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 902
Asus H110M-K - RM 253
Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 229
Palit GTX1060 6GB GDDR5 Dual - RM 1229
Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD - RM 219
FSP Hexa+ 550W - RM 188
Segotep Gank II - RM 179

Total: RM 3199 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

SSD is not included.

QUOTE(sonyfanzz @ Dec 18 2016, 04:43 AM)
so smaller screen need stronger gpu due to higher ppi? confused.gif

will i5 6500 be the bottleneck to the gpu?
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No, it depends on resolution, you get a higher ppi on smaller screen when resolution is the same, so the display and text are much clearer and sharper.

Bottleneck happens only when it cannot handle the amount of requests from other hardware, i5 6500 should be fine for most of the titles out there, if it really happens then you can just lower down the settings a bit to remove the burden of the CPU, that's one of the ways to handle CPU bottleneck, don't worry too much on the bottleneck issue, there isn't a standard hardware requirements for PC games (due to wide variety of hardware choices and game engine etc.) so just keep calm and game biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Steven7 @ Dec 18 2016, 12:03 PM)
Hi I currently owned a Radeon 7950 (its an old card I know) and I wanted to upgrade to a card that is capable of running 2016 games at say, 1080p with medium settings. I found 1050 Ti but when I did some comparison it doesn't really outperform 7950 by a huge margin, so therefore my question is can anyone recommend a "bang for the buck" worthy upgrade to my old 7950?
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Your 7950 should be able to handle 1080p medium settings, if you really want to upgrade, please look for at least GTX1060.
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post Dec 18 2016, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(0dah_kha0z @ Dec 18 2016, 02:08 PM)
Hi i want to build a pc the thing is im in limbang. Anyone know a company that ships to limbang? Or miri?
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Most of the PC rig builders/shops do ship to East Malaysia, if you plan to save shipping cost, you can look for Idealtech, they provide free shipping for rig (3k and above) if I recall correctly.

QUOTE(hoshino91 @ Dec 18 2016, 07:44 PM)
Hello sifus. Can you suggest me the lowest cost build for i3 6100 with & without GPU.? (rig only)
Planning to get dedicated GPU later since I'm tight on budget atm, will be using onboard in the meantime.
Usage mostly for movies, internet browsing and Dota 2.

Thank you.
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i3 6100 + H110M mobo + 8GB DDR4 RAM + 1TB HDD + 500W (to prepare for future GPU) + casing will cost roughly 1.5k+.
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post Dec 18 2016, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(sonyfanzz @ Dec 18 2016, 10:09 PM)
i see,btw where is the price list from?I search for lazada and I found the cpu mobo and ram are more expansive than the one you show
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You can checkout one of the builds listed above (the one with similar requirements as yours, i5 6500 + GTX1060 6GB), the price is picked from ETech's Lelong Store.
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post Dec 19 2016, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(James Blonde @ Dec 19 2016, 11:11 AM)
Hi Sifus,

May I ask is there big differences in terms of performance btw a dual fan graphic card and a triple fan graphic card, i look into the price online and low yat and seems the price of the tri fan one is much more expensive than the dual fan ones.
I am going for a i5-6500 and GTX 1060 rig budget around 3.5k but the budget save if getting a dual fan card can spend it to get a bigger SSD. So please help me sifus
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Triple fan = higher airflow = lower temperature, how much lower you can get? Not much, just few °C lower, go for bigger SSD is a better choice.
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QUOTE(nerozx2 @ Dec 19 2016, 02:23 PM)
Current RIG
CPU: I5 4430
Mobo: Asus B85M-G
Graphic Card: Gigabyte GTX650Ti 2GB
PSU: Tauro XTK-TB-0700B 700W
Casing: Xigmatek Asgard 381

Hey sifu. I need some upgrade advice for future proofs(like upgrade in future)
I wanted to upgrade GC but right now my concern is
does my CPU & Mobo still can hold up for next few years? or support new GC?
If not I will upgrade for CPU & Mobo first,
and then following GC,RAMs etc.

For budget will be around RM1k+ for CPU & Mobo both things, or maybe sifus can give some advice?
Thank you guys smile.gif
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No need to upgrade the CPU platform (CPU + mobo + RAM), go for GPU upgrade instead, your i5 4430 is just 5 - 15% slower than the latest Skylake i5, not worth to spend your hard earned cash on it.

1k+ can get GTX1060 6GB already, big upgrade from your current GTX650Ti (at least 2.5x) biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nerozx2 @ Dec 19 2016, 04:28 PM)
Thanks for the suggestion!
But if I upgrade to GTX1060, will performance slightly cut down due to my CPU platform?
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Those CPU demanding titles will show bottleneck symptoms, this is unavoidable, just lower down those CPU-related settings in games to reduce the workload of CPU to minimize the bottleneck issue, in overall, you are still good for GTX1060, don't worry so much.

There is only like ~10% of the titles in the market are known to be hammering down all the i5 model, like the recently released Watch Dogs 2, the frame rate output is lower in an i5 rig compared to an i7 rig in this game.
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QUOTE(angkee83 @ Dec 19 2016, 05:06 PM)
Question Sifu,
1) Any big different for Intel Core i5 6600k??
2) Mobo - Asus is better or MSI is better?
3) Do we need to match the same manufacturer for Graphics Card with the Mobo?
4) This rig good enough to play any kind of games in the market right now right? and good to do any work in Adobe After Effect and Premier Pro?
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1. 6600K has higher base clock speed (3.5G vs 6500's 3.2G) and is meant for overclocking (K CPU), performance difference on stock speed is not that huge, if both are running at full speed, 6600K is estimated to lead the 6500 by less than 10%, you need a Z170 mobo to overclock the 6600K, this will increase the total cost of the rig.

2. Either one is fine, both have pros and cons, just grab whichever you like (according to features offered, color scheme etc.)

3. No need, they can work with other brands just fine.

4. In overall, the specs are completely enough for 1080p60 gaming, the settings you can run is depends on the optimization of the games, if the games are well optimized and not hardware hungry then 60 FPS on high/ultra settings should be easy to achieve. Just lower down the settings if you aren't getting the frame rates that you are looking to get. Adobe software is good to go also, if you want to reduce the total rendering time then you can consider to upgrade to i7 6700 and 16GB RAM.
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QUOTE(mewanpanda @ Dec 19 2016, 10:22 PM)
Hi Sifus  notworthy.gif

Need your advice/suggestion to improve my current rig as below:-

Current RIG
CPU: I5 750 2.6Ghz -> I OC it to 3.2Ghz
CPU Cooler: CM Hyper 212 Evo
Mobo: Gigabyte P5 US3L
RAM: 2x Kingston 2GB + 1x Kingston 4GB = Total 8GB
Graphic Card: Gigabyte HD5770 1GB -> Bought Palit GTX1060 Dual 3GB @good bargain
SSD: Plextor 128M5S
HDD: Samsung F1 Spinpoint 750GB
PSU: Gigabyte Superb 550W -> Bought Super Flower Leadex Silver 650W@good bargain
Casing: CM Centurian 5II
Monitor: Dell U2312HM
Speaker: Edifier C3


[Budget]:
RM500
[Purpose]: My PC Rig outdated (already 7 years old), cant play new games at high setting anymore sad.gif . I want to OC my CPU to 3.8Ghz and plan to upgrade it for VR gaming next year.
[Hardwares that will be re-use]: GPU, PSU, Monitor, CPU (waiting for Ryzen) & Mobo (to support Ryzen)
[Monitor resolution]: 1080p
[Games & softwares that use frequently]: World of Warships,Battlefield, NoX Emulator & Firefox
[Personal preferences] : As long as it is worth it (can lasts till 2020, should be fine)
I think want to upgrade either HDD or RAM or CPU cooler/fan or Speaker since i have extra budget for Xmas promotion this year rclxms.gif .

Thanks in advance. nod.gif
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Avoid RAM upgrade if you plan to upgrade your CPU platform in the future as they are going to use DDR4 RAM instead of DDR3 RAM, so it is just a waste to spend money in a dead DDR3 RAM. If I were you, I will save the RM 500 for next big upgrade, everything looks fine here and the only thing that I will upgrade for now is the HDD if storage isn't enough.

QUOTE(Izzue @ Dec 20 2016, 01:27 AM)
Ah! Thanks for reminding. I guess it's the whole CPU excluding the case.

Am currently running Xeon processor, I guess it's time to change?
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Which Xeon model (if it is better than G4400/i3 then you can consider to stick with your current CPU platform)? 1.5k can barely build a decent PC especially when you plan to run BF1 which is quite CPU and GPU demanding.
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QUOTE(Lynox @ Dec 20 2016, 10:39 AM)
WTAsk :

1) I'm planning to buy gtx 1060 3gb. should i pick i3-6100 or go i5-6500?

2) If i go 6100 & IF gtx 1060 6gb, will it bottleneck?
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It seems GTX1060 with i3/i5/i7 CPU bottleneck issue has been the most frequently asked question in this thread now rolleyes.gif

As always, to reduce bottleneck, you are advised to go for the best CPU that you can get with your budget, so no doubt that i5 is a much better pick than i3 to reduce the chances of getting a CPU bottleneck.

Those CPU demanding titles will show CPU bottleneck symptoms (doesn't matter which model, if the game/GPU requests resources faster than what the CPU can feed it then bottleneck will occur), different games have different hardware requirements, some will work fine on dual core i3 CPU, but some won't.
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QUOTE(Belloyat @ Dec 20 2016, 01:46 PM)
Hello guys, I'm planning on build a new rig because current rig now very old school(phenom x2, radeon 6670, 4G ram). I use photoshop/ Illustrator and 3D Solidworks and gaming.

I put budget around Rm5k, I listed down the the item, is this budget can go down more?

Budget Pc Build

1. CORE i7-6700K 1151 4.00 8MB RM1549
2. MSI Z170A GAMING PRO CARBON Rm775
3. KINGSTON HYPER-X FURY DDR4 2666 8GB Rm309
4. Corsair V650 Rm289
5. WD CAVIAR BLUE 1TB/7200/64MB/ SATA 6GB/s Rm219
6. SAMSUNG 850 EVO 120GB/SATA III RM259
7. CRYORIG A40 Ultimate Rm499
8. SAPPHIRE NITRO RX 480 8GB DDR5 256 PCIE Rm1366
9. Segotep EOS Rm299
TQ, guys.
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If you want to reduce the total cost, get a non-overclockable CPU setup instead, the gain from overclocking your CPU is not huge and not worth to spend extra bucks on the equipment needed (Z170 + AIO liquid CPU cooler + high performance RAM etc.).


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QUOTE(Belloyat @ Dec 20 2016, 02:52 PM)
Thanks mate, could you suggest me rig that suit with my tight budget? as you mention before is not huge and not worth to spend.
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Intel Core i7 6700 - RM 1402
ASRock Z170 Pro4 - RM 469 (*)
Corsair 16GB (8GB x 2) DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 458
Sapphire RX480 8GB GDDR5 Nitro+ OC - RM 1309
Kingston SSDNow UV400 240GB SSD - RM 315
Seagate Barracuda 1TB HDD - RM 219
EVGA SuperNova 550 G2 - RM 459
Tecware Alpha - RM 229

Total: RM 4860 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

* - Mobo price might be wrong from seller's side because it is too cheap to be true, it is taken from the lelong store listing FYI laugh.gif
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QUOTE(chaster @ Dec 20 2016, 04:20 PM)
Hi, sorry to bother.
Need a smooth gameplay for csgo.

Current Rig:
Core 2 Duo E7400
2Gb DDR2 @800 MHz
R7 250 GDDR5

Looking at i3 6100 coupled with 8Gb DDR4@2133 Mhz and Gigabyte H110 board.

Is i3 good enough for csgo? Please advise.

Thank you and have a nice day!
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CS:GO loves high single core clock so yes, i3 6100's 3.7GHz will definitely work well in CS:GO.
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QUOTE(chaster @ Dec 20 2016, 05:39 PM)
Thx for the reply, Terence!
I found i3 6098P @ RM469 compared to i3 6100 @ RM 515

Guess i3 6098P is okay too right?
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Yes, only 0.1GHz lower than 6100, but the iGPU (HD510) of 6098P is much weaker than 6100's HD530, since you got a dedicated GPU so this won't be an issue.

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