Read the topic title... Anti Mage vs Faceless Void. Which is ur favourite hero and which one you think is better?

Hmm.. still got ppl think AM harrassing win in early game. Go download replay and see.. AM 5 wraiths and gloves still lose to FV same items..

If you say AM play ambush and get few extra hit and blink away, and FV didnt hit back AM den sure la FV lose..

FV can also do the same and if that AM also dumb/noobie den AM will also lose la.

If both players are good, both will have good chance harrass against each other but if FV timelock activated, then FV will have more advantage. Later game with backtrack and Chronos, AM will be at the disadvantage side already unless he get some good items to balance it.

Put in both good items, i say AM also cant match FV already unless any1 can give a good counter build and not only says.. AM will harrass FV, out lvl, farm better and get better item..

Even if FV is few lvl lower but have IAS good items, he still can beat AM..
FV BT, TL and Chronos will gives him the edge in 1v1 . Unless AM have a good item build, he will still have trouble to defeat AM. How about that?

Yeah...you think AM is a good farmer and harraser against FV...so wat?

Can he beat FV in a fair fight and not against noobies who doesnt know how to farm or hit u back?

Even no item or with 5 wraiths+ glove also lose...



Cheers,
v_viper88


This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 28 2007, 09:45 PM

Thus... u gave me the multi million dollar answers about maths craft of dota. What happen if this build this, if that builds that. Nobody is perfect. Anti mage has the animation and movement of somewhat imbalance if you have played for through experience. You could win in facts but as i said timestopper wins hands down because of his imbalance skills which proves to him yet another lethal late gamer. I will not debate further.

I like anti mage as a favourite hero compared to timestopper, but he lost in this undebatable war.

Wa.. like that sure later got alot ppl wanna challenge me ler..

Go Muzu channel and play with some of the SG people there.. noobies and pros are welcome..you might get invited to join their Clan if you play well lo..

Last time i play there i got the 2nd highestranking in one of their clan member 5v5 match using FV.

Cheers,
v_viper88

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Added on January 28, 2007, 11:03 pmThat is why i say fair game for both heroes. Both hero get their items and fight it out. I already says FV item build.. wat is AM item build which can stop FV?

Most ppl who play dota AM, sure they know AM attck speed is fast..nice mana break animation.. just with these animation Attck speed and can conclude AM beat FV ?

Look at the replay will show that even AM with 5 wraiths and gloves still lose to FV with the same item at lower lvl.. What does this show? At lower lvl, AM have slightly lower advantage in farming killing creeps, harrass or kill FV.

As the lvl goes higher, maybe AM can kill creep faster but at that lvl, FV also can kill creeps fast with IAS item + the 25% timelock extra 70 dmg.

At mid/higher lvl, izit trying to say with AM higher attck speed, by the time AM can kill about 10 creeps and FV can only kill half or slightly more than half of 10 creeps? This is very dependant on how each hero harrass, farm wat item they have.. its situational.

Since FV already have free basher and magical+physical evasion skill, he can just concerntrate to get IAS items, like 2 wraiths, treads, quaterstaff upgrade butterfly, radiance, burize etcs..

or

2 wraiths, treads, elvenskin, quaterstaff, mithril, upgrade maelstrom, eaglehorn -> Mjollnir, eaglehorn -> butterfly, relic -> radiance, crystalyst.

If FV player still find it difficult to farm after getting maelstrom, go for claymore, mitril, Perseverance - Battlefury.. then proceed to get eaglehorn -> Mjollnir, eaglehorn -> butterfly, relic -> radiance, crystalyst.

This FV item build can farm very fast and even Naga Siren with manta style activated with ult + ensnare still cant beat this FV build. AM bro Soulkeeper metamorphosis with 2-3 images also will have hard time to beat FV...

FV definitely can farm/harrass AM more with these item builds... .. Go try it out and see.

Later as the game goes longer,
What good is the attack speed for AM if get stunned by FV?
What good is the attck speed for AM if some of his attck miss FV?

The main thing that i want to point out here is FV can counter/match AM attck speed in early game, in mid and end game. Fv is a better hero than AM.

I like AM too but he will have hard time try to beat a good FV hero who doesnt rely much on mana, have bash and evasion.

Cheers,
v_viper88


This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 29 2007, 09:53 AM

What if AM got two basher vs FV with butterfly
that is actually what i want to find out cause both have bash and speed.

You totally miss the point. AM does not need to hit the creep that many times. He just needs the last hit. Out of 10 creeps, it is very easy for AM to get 8-10 of them by last hitting. At the same skill level, FV would get say 6-8 of them. Now include denying into the mix. AM also kills the creeps FV is trying to kill. The majority of creeps FV would be getting will be denied by AM. FV can do the same thing, but AM will be getting the lion's share with faster attack animation and higher attack speed. The slight movespeed difference will shape out as a significant advantage in the farming/denying arena.

As to your item build, AM can start with this build;
RoR, 2 tango sets (stout shield if randomed AM)
Eaglehorn
Butterfly/Treads

Radiance/2x Basher depending on FV growth, Radiance if FV is not farming that well, Basher if FV seems to be close to his large item.

AM should really be pushing like mad by this stage. If AM cannot push in, it'll be GG for him.

FV will be nerfed like crazy early game due to lack of HP regen. In the off case FV gets 2 or 3 gay bashes off together, a tango will bring AM back into action right away. By the time FV is level 6, AM will be at least lv 7 and FV will not have enough mana for chrono/timewalk. Everytime FV pulls back for a chicken/fountain trip, AM gets a free bunch of creeps and denies. I'll be surprised if FV gets his treads and wraiths by AM eaglehorn.

OH NOES THE MUZU CLAN? who art thay pplz! ??

winner of premier league singapore?

winner of elite league?

free league sg?

gxleague??


thay saun laik pro! wat da rankin thay in singapore!

This post has been edited by Flizzardo: Jan 29 2007, 02:59 PM

Lol... it just a small clan with mostly average and some good Dota players.


Cheers,
v_viper88

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Added on January 29, 2007, 6:06 pmSame farming, out lvling story..... only AM can do it but FV cant? Fast Animation but still cant kill creep faster with 5 wraiths + 1 Glove? AM Last hits is faster so can farm more, get lvl up faster, can deny more...... wow.. A good FV with agility build can also do that lar even without the fast animation like AM... okla the timelock stun animation looks kool too.. with added 70 dmg.

You got read my reply and also see the replay?

Ur build with ROR and tango? Ur start with lower hp, no chicken to courier u item..
HP: 454
Dmg:46 - 50
Armour: 3.1
Strength: 16
Agility: 22
Intelli: 15


FV start with all the stats higher extra more 114 hp , with chicken to courier item, can stay longer in lane for higher lvling, can deal more dmg as well... AGility is also higher for faster hit or hit ur AM.
HP: 568
Dmg: 58-64 + 5
Armor: 4 + 0.7
Strength: 17 + 5
Agility: 21 + 5
Intell: 15

You can try ask around, who can farm faster, harrass more, lvl faster and get item faster..

Your build:
Eaglehorn
Butterfly/Treads
Radiance/2x Basher

This is a normal AM build and trust me, this build cant win FV which have the same item or even without the basher coz FV evasion is higher so less stun.....
FV with Mjollnir and butterfly easily can defeat ur AM - butterfly, Radiance, 2 Bashers.

Do give a Fair fight item build .. Like about the same price range item..

FV with treads + wraiths vs AM with eagle horn... Why not u say AM with Rapier vs FV with broadsword?

Yes, i'm really surprise you says if only FV can gets his treads and wraiths by the time AM get eaglehorn.

Its either u play with noobies or its just ur imagination.

Oh yeah.. even the AM lvl 1 with Eaglehorn vs FV lvl 1 with 4/5/6 wraiths..
AM still lose.. I'm not surpise..

Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 29 2007, 08:23 PM

and again with his chicken story again

halo am can blink to chicken and kill chicken kthxbai add some common sense starting without regen item we dont need captain obvious to tell that the chicken is going take st00fs when the fv hp low

I got tell chicken story meh? Its common for melee hero to get chicken to courier item in early game.. IMO its better den just ring and tango coz chicken can carry more item and the hero can stay in lane longer to lvl up and farm..
Most melee hero dpds on chicken for early game.

Even in 5v5, 1v1 also.. maybe player like ur lvl no need ler..

You think ur hero can last long with just ROR and tango when my chick bring wraits, gloves, ror, potions etcs? Ur hps, dmg, agility, armour, all also so much lower like 2 lvl below FV ady ... give u few hits den you will be lower more in hp, eat ur tango till finish, rely on ur 2sec hp regen ring or u can go back base liao.. Tell me how u can farm or harrass?

Who doesnt know AM can blink and kill chicken..?
U think ppl easily let their CHicken get killed?

Chicken can hide or put items near to river tower or near the creep bushes and run back base carry more item and come bek again.. ....

Or u want to be hero and blink in between the river tower and 2nd base tower try to find and try kill the chicken? With ur low hp, if get hit few times by tower, u'll be dead before can kill the chicken..

Oh, i can blink and kill your chicken , ya rite..

Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 29 2007, 08:10 PM

U two go 1v1 and tell me who win, then story end.

same la same la either hero oso i will win him


yaya i lanci lanyong because i can

This post has been edited by Flizzardo: Jan 29 2007, 10:19 PM

FV still win. FV will have higher evasion, higher IAS giving more dmg and stuns.

AM only have higher % chances to stun but lack in 2 important areas which is speed and evasion. He'll miss alot hits, get stun more often and die in the end.

Cheers,
v_viper88

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Added on January 29, 2007, 11:16 pmRead his replies also know how he'll play in Dota, like a small fly..

Wasting my time nia reply or play with him.


Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 29 2007, 11:16 PM

i vote for Flizzardo(AM) vs Viper(FV)...

second that

why u all pick flizzardo?

omg dota can start a debate like this.. it all boils down to the skills of the player and the items he bought.. there are so many possibilities

ok..how about ubhm vs viper?

oh is it,ish ish but i not pro lah blush

too many factors in dota that decides the winner but ill take the challenge just set up time and date

observer spot for me pls kthxbai