QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 28 2007, 09:59 PM)
That is why i say fair game for both heroes. Both hero get their items and fight it out. I already says FV item build.. wat is AM item build which can stop FV?
Most ppl who play dota AM, sure they know AM attck speed is fast..nice mana break animation.. just with these animation Attck speed and can conclude AM beat FV ?
Look at the replay will show that even AM with 5 wraiths and gloves still lose to FV with the same item at lower lvl.. What does this show? At lower lvl, AM have slightly lower advantage in farming killing creeps, harrass or kill FV.
As the lvl goes higher, maybe AM can kill creep faster but at that lvl, FV also can kill creeps fast with IAS item + the 25% timelock extra 70 dmg.
At mid/higher lvl, izit trying to say with AM higher attck speed, by the time AM can kill about 10 creeps and FV can only kill half or slightly more than half of 10 creeps? This is very dependant on how each hero harrass, farm wat item they have.. its situational.
Since FV already have a free basher skill, he can just concerntrate to get IAS items, like 2 wraiths, treads, yasha, quaterstaff upgrade butterfly and farm/harrass as well like AM also. Maybe FV can farm/harrass AM more ... who knows...
Later as the game goes longer,
What good is the attack speed for AM if get stunned by FV?
What good is the attck speed for AM if some of his attck miss FV?
The main thing that i want to point out here is FV can counter/match AM attck speed in early game, in mid and end game. Fv is a better hero than AM.
I like AM too but he will have hard time try to beat a good FV hero who doesnt rely much on mana, have bash and evasion.
Cheers,
v_viper88
You totally miss the point. AM does not need to hit the creep that many times. He just needs the last hit. Out of 10 creeps, it is very easy for AM to get 8-10 of them by last hitting. At the same skill level, FV would get say 6-8 of them. Now include denying into the mix. AM also kills the creeps FV is trying to kill. The majority of creeps FV would be getting will be denied by AM. FV can do the same thing, but AM will be getting the lion's share with faster attack animation and higher attack speed. The slight movespeed difference will shape out as a significant advantage in the farming/denying arena.
As to your item build, AM can start with this build;
RoR, 2 tango sets (stout shield if randomed AM)
Eaglehorn
Butterfly/Treads
Radiance/2x Basher depending on FV growth, Radiance if FV is not farming that well, Basher if FV seems to be close to his large item.
AM should really be pushing like mad by this stage. If AM cannot push in, it'll be GG for him.
FV will be nerfed like crazy early game due to lack of HP regen. In the off case FV gets 2 or 3 gay bashes off together, a tango will bring AM back into action right away. By the time FV is level 6, AM will be at least lv 7 and FV will not have enough mana for chrono/timewalk. Everytime FV pulls back for a chicken/fountain trip, AM gets a free bunch of creeps and denies. I'll be surprised if FV gets his treads and wraiths by AM eaglehorn.
Jan 19 2007, 01:12 PM
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