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who will win and who's u'r favorite

it depends wat item both of them get...
if AM got 2 bashers, i think AM will win...if FV's attack speed is high, maybe he will win...

This post has been edited by smokey: Jan 19 2007, 12:14 PM

depend on player

Early game, AM will have the edge due to mana break dealing a lot of damage, but void shouldn't be going near him in the first place. Midgame depends quite heavily on player items. Endgame, i'd say the win would definitely go to void. A native bash, timewalk to chase blink, and a 6 sec chronosphere make void IMBA.

That scenario is assuming both players have a significantly high amount of skill and common sense. Item builds matter a lot in this case, depending on how much they farm. Whoever farms more will definitely win.

cat and mouse game early game. late game, ts will pawn antimage, because he can timewalk go near am, ulti, and bash am until am die.

well actually if both were equal level players i think am will win. If am could control early and mid game sure will outlevel and outfarm void. early and mid void with slow slow aspd doesnt do much. even if being chronod am still can blink away because voids bash isnt good yet in mid/early to stay alive and not lose money while am can cheese void from the start.... my opinion.
i like void anyway with mom and butterfly. hes like 50% more fun than am to play.

This post has been edited by Breadman: Jan 19 2007, 09:50 PM

imo, AM always conquer early game and FV always conquer late gme.

if it just a fite without skill then am will b win

the title is: Dota Battle "Offiicial" anti-mage vs faceless void
i wondering what the "Official" and "Unofficial" mean...
what the different between the Official Antimage and Unofficial Antimage??
got something like that??????

Lol, anyway Faceless is the new unbalance hero of the v6 , last time it was either Naix,Bone,Sven,Medusa,Morphling (v5)

So I think FV wins hands down, but ofcourse don't take account into player skills, luck etc

1v1 I think only troll warlord can go against him, even then, he got 6 sec and thats enough to kill any hero 1v1

OT
AM with battlefury question:

will mana break (mana burn) splash while damage splash ( IIRC bash do splash but % goes down)

especially when he equip with many basher...
ulti, then go to do melee atk to enemy...

good point, no matter wat item u got, if u are coward, what hero u used with great item also lost.

Just to share my views only, i wrote this for one of my friend who is new to Dota and doesn't convince about Faceless Void as the best Dota hero or one of the best Hero in Dota. This is not about the best farmer, best lane ctrl for Dota hero, its about the overall best hero in terms of its own skill + equip with appropiate weapons to become the BEST of the BEST Dota hero.

Don't flame me if you don't agree coz different people have different view about their best heroes in Dota.

Faceless Void in High Lvl Dota Tourney Play CAL:
CAL is Cyberathlete Amatuer League. It is a large online electronic sports league operated by the Cyberathlete Professional League that allows players to test their skills against each other in a variety of multiplayer games. It not only hosts DotA games, but also CS, WC3 ladder, Starcraft, and Battlefield 2. All the games played in CAL are very competitive, therefore in DotA, people want the best hero choices in a team. In a CAL DotA team you need 4 things: lane control, AoE, disables, and survivability. Faceless Void has 3 of those, only have disadvantage on lane control as a melee hero. However, he is a great carry-over hero for the late game, due to the other 3 factors in becoming a good tournie-viable hero.
Col.Warr1ck is one of the current top player that uses Faceless Void in CAL matches. His nick name appears when loading the latest Dota map game.

Faceless Void (Agility hero):
(This hero is humble and down to earth)

Check out what Faceless replies when sending him an order.
How may i aide you.
How can this old one help?
My strength is yours.
My ancestors call.
We'll share our ways.
I pledge my loyalty.
I'll need it once again.
I'll try my best

Skills:
1) Timewalk 1300 range (free blink dagger but much better range and cooltime $2150)
Can run away from enemy and also make sure enemy cant run far away.
He can timewalk away even when got ensnare or earthbind + etcs..
He can timewalk away when encounter gangbang ambush or too many confusing images. Time walk back when less enemy heroes or when the images disappear to kill ehm.

2)Backtrack 25% chance (free low version of Linken Sphere $5500)
Passive skills - doesn't require mana, activated by itself.
One of the best defend, avoid 100% dmg both physical, magical damage like nukes/crits/ult/ dmg return hits and even permabash attck.
Good chances to block Wrath, finger, laguna, A Dooms, Sunder, Dismember, Culling Blade, Assasinate, + etcs..!!
Backtrack stack with Butterfly 25% evasion and BT also stack with Radiance miss attk 8% make faceless even harder to get hit by attks or get permabash.
Get a BKB activates it, Faceless Void will be as hard as diamond, even damage return will not scratch him at all.

3)Timelock - 25% chance (free basher $3220)
Passive skills - doesn't require mana, activated by itself when attck enemy
Make enemy stun and see the stars day & nite.

4)Chonosphere - 6 secs (totally disable the enemy for free good 6 secs of hard bashing = 3X bashers to achieve abt 100% stun + his Timelock max $9660)
This is the ult skills, where Faceless void can kill up to 5 heroes /3 - 4 images inside the Chronos with the rite item built of coz.

Recomended items:
1) Butterfly
2) Radiance
3) MOM/Satanic/S&Y
4) Burize
5) Battlefury (killing 5 heroes/ 3-4images inside chronos is possible with these splash dmg attck item)
6) Treads/BOT

Optional:
BKB - if some noobies mass blademails with dmg return passive magical attck.
Replace treads/BOT with BKB, faceless void timewalk 1300 range is far enuf before enemy can catch up, End game, he fight face to face and don't have to run anyway.

For Fun build:-Manta Style - depletes enemy mana, more images means more images in chronos for gangbang party.
-Book of Necrominion - depletes enemy mana, more monsters inside chronos hlp to kill enemy (super gangbang if activate together with manta style)
-Butterfly with Mjollnir. Enemy heroes with their watever images get lightning hit in chronos multiple times die very fast.

Tell me how you can kill a agility hero which doesnt depend much on mana, hard to get hit/permabash, and lastly super long 6 secs total disable + permabash skill which render other heroes/images as a punching bag to get smack nicely.

Yeah, FV can beat AM and any other heroes. I'll definitely support FV. He's truelly the overall best hero IMO if not for others pros, one of the best Dota hero.
He is also the only heroes tat i know can solo kill 5 heroes / 3-4 images heroes inside chronos with appropiate items mid/end game. No other Dota heroes can do it solo like Faceless Void aka Darkterror.

I have few replays using Faceless Void vs insane AI Heroes. I use FV and can beat all the insane AIs.

Faceless Void vs 2 insane AI V6.38b
Faceless Void vs 3 insane AI V6.39
Faceless Void vs 5 insane AI V6.39

Too bad, cant post the replays here for fun viewing.

Cheers,
v_viper88

This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 21 2007, 02:55 PM

x_X insane AI?

Don beat AIs, beat human players! You can't and must not take AI's seriously

for me,FV will win for sure .....by the time magina got his 2X basher, FV mayb got 1 hyper + 1 yasha + 1 vanguard..then gg for magina d

Check out what Faceless replies when sending him an order.
How may i aide you.
How can this old one help?
My strength is yours.
My ancestors call.
We'll share our ways.
I pledge my loyalty.
I'll need it once again.
I'll try my best

^ rofl... these are quotes by the Draenei, and you make it sound exclusively for the Faceless Void. How DotA can make one naive to the core whao...

This post has been edited by Sesshoumaru: Jan 22 2007, 10:03 AM

I played Dota for about 3 yrs ++ already. Played on CC, Lancraft, Hamachi but nowdays mostly on Bnet pubs and Singapore CLAN Muzu game. I'm dont consider myself very pro but more above average Dota player. Sure have alot fun bashing noobies at PUb but I'll say play in Clan game or with pros will surely change the way playing Dota and its an eye opener

Loardareon Server
id: v_viper

Normally i dont save replay for the games i've played but since one of my friend just started playing Dota about 1 mth and doesnt convince about Faceless Void power, i sent him some of my game replays. Recently due to the Taiwan quake international link very slow for Bnet, i purposely play with insane AIs just to show my friend that faceless void is not a lousy weak hero. He can beat multiple heroes with the appropiate item.

Most noobies cant even beat the Insane AIs. Try play vs 2, 3 or 5 insane AI and see whether can win onot?

Don't get me wrong thinking that i only play with insane AI , i play in real DOta games most of the time and i beat countless of real Dota players already. Sure i got beaten many times also, but i've learn new strategy and improve my game.

We PWNS We OWNS. Best Dota 5v5 line up.. Faceless, Enigma, Silencer, Zeus, CM. (Silencer global silent, Faceless Timewalk and Chronos, CM frost bite, frost nova and ult.. Zeus Arch lightning, Bolt lightning and ult, Enigma Midnite pulse and ult Black hole...can your team survive this combos?)


Cheers,
v_viper88



This post has been edited by viper88: Jan 23 2007, 08:57 AM

to be honest FV can can pawn sladar at lvl 1 with the bash upgrade both, seriously every bash can made a little amount of damage.