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post Mar 5 2007, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Jan 21 2007, 02:22 PM)
Just to share my views only, i wrote this for one of my friend who is new to Dota and doesn't convince about Faceless Void as the best Dota hero or one of the best Hero in Dota. This is not about the best farmer, best lane ctrl for Dota hero, its about the overall best hero in terms of its own skill + equip with appropiate weapons to become the BEST of the BEST Dota hero.  drool.gif

Don't flame me if you don't agree coz different people have different view about their best heroes in Dota.

Faceless Void in High Lvl Dota Tourney Play CAL:
CAL is Cyberathlete Amatuer League. It is a large online electronic sports league operated by the Cyberathlete Professional League that allows players to test their skills against each other in a variety of multiplayer games. It not only hosts DotA games, but also CS, WC3 ladder, Starcraft, and Battlefield 2. All the games played in CAL are very competitive, therefore in DotA, people want the best hero choices in a team. In a CAL DotA team you need 4 things: lane control, AoE, disables, and survivability. Faceless Void has 3 of those, only have disadvantage on lane control as a melee hero. However, he is a great carry-over hero for the late game, due to the other 3 factors in becoming a good tournie-viable hero.
Col.Warr1ck is one of the current top player that uses Faceless Void in CAL matches. His nick name appears when loading the latest Dota map game.

Faceless Void (Agility hero):
(This hero is humble and down to earth)

Check out what Faceless replies when sending him an order.
How may i aide you.
How can this old one help?
My strength is yours.
My ancestors call.
We'll share our ways.
I pledge my loyalty.
I'll need it once again.
I'll try my best

Skills:
1) Timewalk 1300 range (free blink dagger but much better range and cooltime $2150)
Can run away from enemy and also make sure enemy cant run far away.
He can timewalk away even when got ensnare or earthbind + etcs..
He can timewalk away when encounter gangbang ambush or too many confusing images. Time walk back when less enemy heroes or when the images disappear to kill ehm.

2)Backtrack 25% chance (free low version of Linken Sphere $5500)
Passive skills - doesn't require mana, activated by itself.
One of the best defend, avoid 100% dmg both physical, magical damage like nukes/crits/ult/ dmg return hits and even permabash attck.
Good chances to block Wrath, finger, laguna, A Dooms, Sunder, Dismember, Culling Blade, Assasinate, + etcs..!!
Backtrack stack with Butterfly 25% evasion and BT also stack with Radiance miss attk 8% make faceless even harder to get hit by attks or get permabash.
Get a BKB activates it, Faceless Void will be as hard as diamond, even damage return will not scratch him at all.

3)Timelock - 25% chance (free basher $3220)
Passive skills - doesn't require mana, activated by itself when attck enemy
Make enemy stun and see the stars day & nite.

4)Chonosphere - 6 secs  (totally disable the enemy for free good 6 secs of hard bashing = 3X bashers to achieve abt 100% stun + his Timelock max $9660)
This is the ult skills, where Faceless void can kill up to 5 heroes /3 - 4 images inside the Chronos with the rite item built of coz.

Recomended items:
1) Butterfly
2) Radiance
3) MOM/Satanic/S&Y
4) Burize
5) Battlefury (killing 5 heroes/ 3-4images inside chronos is possible with these splash dmg attck item)
6) Treads/BOT

Optional:
BKB - if some noobies mass blademails with dmg return passive magical attck.
Replace treads/BOT with BKB, faceless void timewalk 1300 range is far enuf before enemy can catch up, End game, he fight face to face and don't have to run anyway.

For Fun build:-Manta Style - depletes enemy mana, more images means more images in chronos for gangbang party.
-Book of Necrominion - depletes enemy mana, more monsters inside chronos hlp to kill enemy (super gangbang if activate together with manta style)
-Butterfly with Mjollnir. Enemy heroes with their watever images get lightning hit in chronos multiple times die very fast.

Tell me how you can kill a agility hero which doesnt depend much on mana, hard to get hit/permabash, and lastly super long 6 secs total disable + permabash skill which render other heroes/images as a punching bag to get smack nicely.

Yeah, FV can beat AM and any other heroes. I'll definitely support FV. He's truelly the overall best hero IMO if not for others pros, one of the best Dota hero.
He is also the only heroes tat i know can solo kill 5 heroes / 3-4 images heroes inside chronos with appropiate items mid/end game. No other Dota heroes can do it solo like Faceless Void aka Darkterror. 

I have few replays using Faceless Void vs insane AI Heroes. I use FV and can beat all the insane AIs. laugh.gif  

Faceless Void vs 2 insane AI V6.38b
Faceless Void vs 3 insane AI V6.39
Faceless Void vs 5 insane AI V6.39

Too bad, cant post the replays here for fun viewing.

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Insane AI ? with fv ?? almost all hero can beat insane AI no matter 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 5. AI stupid la. Is for initial training for new hero usage only.
Hehe anyway, i hate FV. Almost every game also got ppl use it. Using such imbalance hero win also not proud. Obviously, no need to compare. FV win AM.
MOM is imba for FV, great bash and life steal. Take how long for AM to build until that level of FV with MOM. Besides, cannot compare direct 1, AM and FV build up to serve for different purpose, such as AM is a great chaser......

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post Mar 5 2007, 02:50 AM

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I have few replays using Faceless Void vs insane AI Heroes. I use FV and can beat all the insane AIs. laugh.gif 

Faceless Void vs 2 insane AI V6.38b
Faceless Void vs 3 insane AI V6.39
Faceless Void vs 5 insane AI V6.39


OH wow u must be insane pro since u able to win INSANE AI and owned them AIs Lawl

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post Mar 5 2007, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Mar 5 2007, 02:50 AM)
OH wow u must be insane pro since u able to win INSANE AI and owned them AIs Lawl
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LOL, ya i own AI. But still a insane noob.
Use to give ppl pawn like noob.
haha. So i think winning AI is nothing, just for u to practise your hero only.
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post Mar 6 2007, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(ToGo @ Mar 5 2007, 01:39 AM)
Insane AI ? with fv ??  almost all hero can beat insane AI no matter 1 vs 1 or 1 vs 5. AI stupid la. Is for initial training for new hero usage only.
Hehe  anyway, i hate FV. Almost every game also got ppl use it. Using such imbalance hero win also not proud. Obviously, no need to compare. FV win AM.
MOM is imba for FV,  great bash and life steal. Take how long for AM to build until that level of FV with MOM. Besides, cannot compare direct 1, AM and FV build up to serve for different purpose, such as AM is a great chaser......
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Read my post properly lar.. I wrote vs 5 insane AI and its replay is to show/let ppl or noobies know tat FV is the only hero that can solo vs 5 heroes and KILL those 5 insane AI that trap inside CHRONOS when using BF, Burize, Radiance, etcs good items.

Other Dota heroes can only kill one or 2 heroes at one time only compare to FV even with good items dun think they can kill all at one go. If play against pro of coz FV cant kill 5 heroes at one time but 1-3 is possible especially at the end game. The vs insane AI replay thingy is to show my fren who just start play wif Dota 2 mths who thinks FV is a lousy hero and doesnt deserve to be one of the best Dota heroes. He cant even beat 5 insane AI heroes also. laugh.gif

I cant simulate it in real games ma to KILL 5 heroes at one go... so just haf to show him using vs insane AI replay. Get it? whistling.gif

Donno why so many ppl thought the other way... only noobie vs insane AIs meh? whistling.gif. If can win solo vs 5 insane heroes den only tok. Most noobies cant even defeat 5 insane AIs also but say FV useless heroes.

Yeah AI is stupid but we are not rite? except for few people who think they are so good tat others who vs them don't have chance to farm, lvl up and win. laugh.gif

Don't jump into the conclusion so fast leh.. think abit pls.

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post Mar 9 2007, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Mar 4 2007, 11:39 PM)
too many factors in dota that decides the winner but ill take the challenge just set up time and date
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viper, flizzardo accepted the challenge. How bout u?
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post Mar 9 2007, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Mar 9 2007, 01:08 AM)
viper, flizzardo accepted the challenge. How bout u?
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Hmm.. you didn't read my reply earlier meh?
If you are interested, you can go ahead vs him. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 9 2007, 05:47 PM)
Hmm.. you didn't read my reply earlier meh? 
If you are interested, you can go ahead vs him. laugh.gif

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im sure FV can win AM. i support u viper !!
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eh flizzardo still hvnt have match with viper??
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post Mar 10 2007, 07:14 PM

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am 2 basher and butterfly will never win fv with 1 basher and butterfly because fv got feedback >.<..
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QUOTE(Flizzardo @ Mar 5 2007, 02:50 AM)
OH wow u must be insane pro since u able to win INSANE AI and owned them AIs Lawl
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win insane = pro?

win insane is= not noob only

no offence
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post Mar 11 2007, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 9 2007, 05:47 PM)
Hmm.. you didn't read my reply earlier meh? 
If you are interested, you can go ahead vs him. laugh.gif

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Boils down to whether you put your money where your mouth is....since you're so sure FV will win AM, try it against Flizz's AM. He hasn't used AM to win 1v5 AI, so he might probably lose to you.
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QUOTE(snorlax @ Mar 11 2007, 12:40 AM)
Boils down to whether you put your money where your mouth is....since you're so sure FV will win AM, try it against Flizz's AM. He hasn't used AM to win 1v5 AI, so he might probably lose to you.
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Lol... i support FV will win vs AM coz of FV own spell & abilities but I didn't say that i'll always win using FV vs others AM coz there are alot pros out there and the skill lvl also different. I also don't have intention to challenge anyone 1 on 1 wif me leh.
I play for FUN and not make a living out of it. laugh.gif

Its totally a different thing. Even if win, there will be other so called ghey pros will come out. This is just a discussion on the which heroes is better, not showing off own third leg and start to challenge other players . laugh.gif

Last time there was a player post up a challenge 1 vs 1, he is using Morph. Don't know any1 still remember. He wanted to know his own skill lvl den its okla..

Some of you maybe see or hear sumwhere in CC got people lose in Dota games and end up doing 2nd round of real fighting outside the CC. doh.gif. Some from friends can become enemies and didn't talk to each other after losing in Dota games.. etcs. tongue.gif

Play the game for FUN not for showing off.


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This is slightly off topic... heee

fv nice hero late game, alot nicer if got range hero as team member, chronos, then fv walk in c anyone life short, wack wack hard, teammate with range, boom dagon piao lighting etc etc... all gg....

But if fv alone or fv with meele hero 50% fv gg. If fv pro he will not stupid to chrono all in it and wack wack the nearly die enem hero, chronos end, gg tat fv get gb back...

I always c ppl tend to kill the one tat will die easily right? if it's str hero with heart n nice equip fv hard to kill tat hero lo... fv only one... can kill all 3,4 or 5 enemy hero at once? canot canot...(duno u ppl get my point or not lol)

Two hero tat i like to harass alot early game whether i range or meele hero....That is faceless void and naix lifestealer.... i will make sure i att till they die, i dun mind dying to others but not to them...

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QUOTE(PleaseEnterYourName @ Mar 11 2007, 11:45 AM)
This is slightly off topic... heee

fv nice hero late game, alot nicer if got range hero as team member, chronos, then fv walk in c anyone life short, wack wack hard, teammate with range, boom dagon piao lighting etc etc... all gg....

But if fv alone or fv with meele hero 50% fv gg. If fv pro he will not stupid to chrono all in it and wack wack the nearly die enem hero, chronos end, gg tat fv get gb back...

I always c ppl tend to kill the one tat will die easily right? if it's str hero with heart n nice equip fv hard to kill tat hero lo... fv only one... can kill all 3,4 or 5 enemy hero at once? canot canot...(duno u ppl get my point or not lol)

Two hero tat i like to harass alot early game whether i range or meele hero....That is faceless void and naix lifestealer.... i will make sure i att till they die, i dun mind dying to others but not to them...
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Off topic abit but just replyin to above guy.

FV will normally tag with good support hero in 5v5 game, not easy to harras him.
FV tat take lvl 1 TW, ups stats and bash only and chronos can put up challenge in early game.. with good support hero, can kill other heroes easily as well. biggrin.gif

FV vs agility or intelligent heroes of coz its easier to mow them down faster comparing vs strength high hp heroes with gay blademails, hearts etcs..
Its very obvious ma...high hp heroes takes longer time to die or harder to die. laugh.gif

But its possible also for FV to win at mid/end game wif rite items. FV with butterfly, + Satanic can beat high hp strength heroes. With its high evasion both magical & physical + high lifesteal + bonus dmg stun..even the strongest Centaur, LOA, Levi, NA, Alchemist, Tiny, etc can lose also to FV.

Yeah not all agility & intelligent heroes are weak... troll with basher, butterfly is another insane killing machine when he Rampage ults on and blind his enemy.... FV cant even 1v1 him direct coz hard to cast chronos and miss most of the attck and alwys get stun by troll most of the time. Best is eul tat troll up den when chronos him when he drop down. Den whack him kaw kaw till die... laugh.gif

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faceless void definitely will win! no doubt if skil and item are about to same for both players!

faceless void got ts + bash + evasion

antimage? just mana burn and ulti to kill.


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If both player have almost the same item, but who come out with MANTA sure win.

No matter how many AI you can pawn in AI game, doesnt mean you are good at Dota.

In tournement all depend on teamwork. Even you have the best hero ,but your allies teamwork sukky , for example all want solo , all want farm , all lazy defend base , all want do one man show, Sure die.

Dota is all depend on teamwork . No teamwork, even timestopper with 3 basher 1 rapier 1 burize 1 pt = nth.

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QUOTE(hz428 @ Mar 10 2007, 07:24 PM)
win insane = pro?

win insane is= not noob only

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win insane will still be a noob lah.
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QUOTE(viper88 @ Mar 11 2007, 09:52 AM)
Lol... i support FV will win vs AM coz of FV own spell & abilities but I didn't say that i'll always win using FV vs others AM coz there are alot pros out there and the skill lvl also different. I also don't have intention to challenge anyone 1 on 1 wif me leh.
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Well, since you said there is NO WAY AM can win FV, plus you seem quite pro as you're known in a clan, what are you afraid of? Unless you're saying Flizzardo's so much more skilled than you that you'll lose even with a better hero?

You guys can have a BNet match, to make sure no fighting will take place later. That would favour FV, since the lag will make AM's imba attack animation hard to time. thumbup.gif
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Lawl.. since when i said NO WAY AM can win..?
I said FV is a better hero with better advantage. Other than that, its also depends on the player skill.

Go read my replies properly. Maybe u r not smart enough to understand the simple basic explaination and make ur own conclusions.

LAG will fav FV? OMG.. tats really a joke. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(snorlax @ Mar 12 2007, 05:23 PM)
Well, since you said there is NO WAY AM can win FV, plus you seem quite pro as you're known in a clan, what are you afraid of? Unless you're saying Flizzardo's so much more skilled than you that you'll lose even with a better hero?

You guys can have a BNet match, to make sure no fighting will take place later. That would favour FV, since the lag will make AM's imba attack animation hard to time. thumbup.gif
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