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This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 10:04 AM

1. what do u call flames? if i go someone thread n say his thing is expensive.. for me, that is comment aka flames
2. of coz u wont complain to the supermarket A but u will complain that this place sell expensive n not recommend others
3. no one is perfect, i dont myself a perfect trader but at least better than those who put overpriced item juz tunggu kena flame la
4. if nothing to adapt, why complaining in the 1st place
5. oh, so if i quote others n say they are stupid coz they give unreasonable offer means im offended? besides, what if im offended? it is out of my discussion scope anyway coz i never protect/argue for those who give unreasonable offer
again, im stressing that giving comment is approriate in this forum, not those 50cents thingy opening this thread wont do anything also.. like i said, as if u can change anything
again, dont 1 accept comment? stay out of forum.. still wana stick in forum? then accept everything openly.. heck, that is what forum function anyway no?

OMG sorry..

i post the rm50 on mingkiats thread actually cuz i wana show him my new updated siggy..

sorry to mods and evryone for it until come out in this thread..

any disrespect and rudeness was totally unintentional..

thank you for clearing it up
im d one who actually intro-ed him *mingkiat* to lowyat.net and he's my classmate
now he selling stuff like mad.. heheh
again i apologise to mingkiat and u others for d problems ive caused..
hope u dun suspend me/kena blacklist or sumting..

i was wit mingkiat when i read dis thread and how actually did unoe *wKkaY* dat we were friends?
me n mingkiat was really how to say.. "Dumbfounded" trying to figure out how unoe abt it..



and again really sorry guys.. im a good guy actually

This post has been edited by michanz: Jan 20 2007, 07:49 AM

hahahaha.. see.. next time dont kacau my thread.. people doin business, u main main.. yea he juz wana show me his beautiful siggy.. wana belagak to me mah wit his pretty siggy.. he is not a gud guy actually.. suke kacau ppl like me.. so dont believe him.. but he is my fren anyway.. so i just being kind and gud hearted to my fren, i shud respect him and forgive him for wat he has done.. what to do, i so good hearted.. a fren like me where wana cari adi.. hahaha.. so all u people who read this, ask him to treat me nicer next time and ask him dun kacau me.. .. juz wana share with you guys abit..you shud see his face this morning.. he was so scare until like wana cry that he will been suspend or blacklisted.. HAHAHHA.. LMAO..


Yeah.. one thing i wana know.. how did admin know that me and michanz was frens? i get a shock when i read that admin posted saying both of us are frens.. have he been spying on us? or is he someone we know? tell is how you know.. curious to know about it.. It freaks me out.. hahaha..

This post has been edited by Mingkiat1989: Jan 20 2007, 10:17 AM

ya his face so damn cuak already .. i was there!! hahaha ROFL LMAO ....

Does him count on it ???? Damn ....

This happen when i was start selling thing in LYN.

Pricing is a subjective manner for used and brand new products. For instance, if we're talking about used phones, for instance, both item A & B are of the same model and years of age, item A is in excellent condition, it comes with a box, manual plus additional accessories, seling for RM800 but item B, which is in poor condition, without box, manual and missing accessories is selling at RM650. What usually happens is that the buyers or maybe troublemakers are being ignorant and flame the seller of item A that his price is too high because people is selling at RM650 only without comparing the condition of both phones. Most of the time, I see that it's useless to tell people that you have a box, manual and everything or if you have two original batteries in the package, these things don't count in the buyer's eyes. What they only see is the price but honestly, how many people keep the boxes and manual or give you complete or additional accessories? Even for used cars, it's the same, if the car is in better condition, used car dealers will sell them more expensive so why not here? I have seen some sellers have been unfairly flamed because of this, how can you compare something which of poor quality with something which is almost showroom condition?

Another scenario will be, item A's market price (brand new) is RM650 in Kedah, and RM500 in KL. Seller is from Kedah, selling item A at RM500, assuming item A is just a few months old, seller gets flamed because buyers say that KL is selling at RM500 for a brand new one so seller should sell at around RM350. Fair to the seller? When the seller bought it at RM650 in his hometown? Not all products are sold at the same price nationwide especially for Northern states plus Sabah & Sarawak too. The seller can still make a sale if he's targetting interested parties from his hometown, I don't see why people from other states should bash him unnecessarily because of this. You can't use the prices in KL as a benchmark because it's totally an unfair comparision when the seller is probably planning to COD with someone in his hometown.

Third scenario for brand new products, including bulk ones too. Some people lack of product knowledge and behave immaturely, he or she will just flame without checking the facts or doing their own research first. For instance, item A is selling RM700 overseas and seller is selling RM750. What happens will be seller is grilled and in the worst case, people will say, so expensive, who will buy leh, this and that. They forgot one thing, how about the freight charges and import duties? No need to pay, ar? Then the seller no need to untung, izzit? Charging RM50 extra isn't too much. Of course, bulk items are cheaper but how about those who are not doing bulk but they're offering their services to bring in something that is not available locally. Their efforts should be appreciated and not insulted like this. Many people are discouraged to sell high end items here because when they look at the price, they will make a lot of hoo hass or probably create a scene here.

Yeah, I'm voicing out because I want this place to be a better marketplace for both the buyers and sellers. If all sellers are flamed unnecessarily, who will be selling here in the end when people create trouble more than buying it. As I've said, it won't hurt to open your mouth or even send a PM to ask for a better price. Ask the seller in a polite manner, rather than criticizing him or her. If the seller is lan si and dun wanna sell you cheaper, then just ignore him or her and move on lah, that simple only. Why wanna waste the bandwidth of the forums to flame him or her unnecessarily. If it's a scam or something fishy, then just hit the report button, flaming won't do any good, inform the mods directly. Everytime when you flame or post spam (useless comments / remarks), you're giving extra work to the mods as they have to clean up the threads especially when the seller reports that somebody is messing up with their sales threads and the mods will know it by reading the comments, whether it sounds like an advice or it's just purely to flame to seller. Be fair to the mods, one action could lead to a lot of consequences and the worst case, the two person will be flaming each other here non-stop. Why make an enemy when you can make a friend?

1. Flaming is a rude manner which hurt other party. Why are you confusing yourself with comment & flame? Flame is flame & commenting is commenting. Commenting can be in a nice way (polite manner) but flame is rude & hurts others.
2. Complain in which way? With prove or without prove? Tell with logic or ridiculously? Tell with flames or just casually? If you are so interested to flame seller's here how sell their items so expensive, are you dare to do it in real world, go & flame the supermarket A's owner for selling expensive? I'm sure you don't dare but how come here online you dare? Again, dun mix up your comments@flame logic here.
3. No, you arent better than anyone else coz you also flame other parties. A good seller can comment another seller or assist but will not flame another seller.
4. FYI this thread is not a complaint thread. Please read from 1st again to understand it. It's just a thread for it's own purpose.
5. Yes, coz you are rude with that offensive word "stupid". Otherwise you must be uneducated, or uncivilised, or that's what your parents teach you on ways to pe polite? I hope you are not in these categories.
This thread may not be useful to you but not the same for others. Otherwise this thread wont be here from Kopitiam.
Yaya, ppl will tell you don't think & no brains etc & you must accept it right? BTW, again & again you are mixing up comments & flames. Purpose of a forum is as a discussion place. Where did you got the idea that forum is for flaming each other?

My concept

to give comments
- must be mature
- must understand others (put yourself in seller's shoes)
- must be polite & with proper proof to support your statement

to flame
- childish
- retard
- uneducated
- uncivilised
- parents done a bad job & bz with "something else"

Again, we are discussing about flaming without reasons, not those who give comments. It's either you didn't read properly from the first (or didn't even read the 1st post) or you are at the wrong section.

I've also given examples of what type of flames that im talking about in this thread....& you are keep on repeating your comment@flames logic..

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 20 2007, 05:44 PM

whatever it is, the conclusion is, u cant do anything nor change anything at all
so no point arguing with u who dont listen to opposition

*dont even bother to read ur post

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 21 2007, 12:45 AM

Yes, no point arguing with me using your comment@flame logic. I did listen to opposition & gave my points to support myself but then you are still with comment@flame logic. Nth I can do when you don't even understand the purpose of this thread in the 1st place.

Thanks, for leaving this thread in peace.

n u think setting up this thread can change how people think

of course, can't change those who think they are always right & don't wish to change themselves

no one else can help us to make ourself a better person if we ourself dun wish to improve.

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 21 2007, 04:07 PM