I understand how you feel my friend. Some people just know how to 'kau kau chan, mou pong chan', it doesn't look more like a feedback to me but more like hijacking someone's sales thread especially when their so called feedback sounded more like making fun of your sales thread or insulting you and worst of all, the person isn't even interested to buy from you. We definitely don't need anyone to review all the sales thread here, I feel that interested parties should only reply to the sales thread. Pricing is not an issue here, if the price is high, just PM the seller and nego with him or her, it works everytime for me than to make sarcastic remarks in the seller's thread. That's what I feel, we have this problem here, I don't encounter such problems in other forums so I guess some forumers should grow up and respect each other in a civillized way.

Goldfries is absolutely right about this. The seller determines the selling price but it's up to the buyer to PM the seller to ask for a better price because I believe everything sold here is negotiable, this ain't Starhill Gallery so why make a big fuss by posting silly remarks or comments in people's thread when the buyer can use a thing called PM mah.

Sometimes, when you put RM1, the buyer will ask, 20 cents can, ar? Some sellers put a higher price because of this. Imagine Scenario A, you sell a brand new handphone for RM1300, nego kaw kaw, then give RM200 discount, the buyer will be happy like a small boy because got RM200 discount wor. Scenario B, same product but you put RM1150, give RM50 discount, the buyer will say cheh ....... RM50 discount only, I dun wanna buy from you lah. This is called psychological pricing mah. The worst scenario will be in garage sales, when you mention a hundred times that all products are 100% genuine, the buyer will still ask, genuine or not? Cannot be lah, so cheap, must be con people one? I know buyers are afraid of being cheated, I do understand that but we must also pitty the sellers too mah, how would you like when someone just post silly remarks in your thread and disappears? If he or she is interested then different story lah, not interested is one thing but posting sarcastic remarks in a seller's thread shouldn't be encouraged because it's the same as hijacking someone's thread but the person will always get away with it by claiming that he's merely giving a feedback as his best defence but he's abusing his rights as a normal member. If the forumer puts it in a polite way, I guess that's acceptable, at least the seller can accept his comments or advice openly.


Make sure that shop over there really offered you a lower price, if not, you'll sure kena flame one especially some people has a habit of making up stories, I can get it cheaper there, cheaper here....... sometimes you get so fed up and tell them, hunnah ...... so clever, go and buy there, why ask me? Hahaha.

Precisely, totally agreed here. This is not the same like an aunty going to the market to buy veges, she'll probably say the next stall is cheaper, blah, blah, blah, if cannot sell at this price, I'll buy from the next stall. (Fear tactics) That's the usual thing Ah Soh will do in the market but dun lah do it in LYN, this ain't a fish market. If wanna nego, just contact the seller lor, no need to mess up his thread mah, most of the time, I ask the seller nicely, the seller will be more than happy to give me a better price. Just be polite and straight to the point. If the seller is the proud and unfriendly type, then don't bother replying lah, you're better off buying elsewhere.


Honestly speaking, the opening price doesn't scare me, I'll ask whether the price is firm or negotiable first, that's how I shop in KL and I don't believe they dare to say that the price is firm unless they're operating a showroom in KLCC then I have nothing to say. In places like Sungei Wang or Low Yat, if you tell people, the price is firm and nett, the shop will probably close down before Spiderman 3 is shown in the cinemas.


I think most people in LYN are aware of the prices, very hard to find a waterfish here, you sell expensive by 10 cents also kena tembak already.

Very true indeed. If you have proof or something to back up your claims than that's acceptable, you can tell the seller in a polite manner but I've seen some saying that I can get this at this price lah, this person selling at this price lah, in KL selling at this price lah, etc. At least mah provide some leads or references but sadly, for some, they enjoy doing this. I'll say that this is a 'pin tai' behaviour, should be sent to Tg Rambutan for a year for a full observation.

If you're happy about anything, with the mods or how things are run here, you can always start a thread here, Main Site/Forum Feedback and Helpdesk to give your feedback. I'm sure the Forum Admin will take note of this.

I have nothing against newbies personally and it's wrong to have the perception that it's not safe to deal with newbies because newbies need to start from somewhere to build up their successful trade list so if everyone is shying away from newbies, how are they supposed to sell here? For a start, you should do COD or something to build up people's confidence in you. I know it's a teething problem for you but I'm sure you'll be able to overcome it somehow. So, I hereby wish you all the best.

banKarl, I guess you shouldn't be bothered about those special tags awarded to certain forumers or even those safe trader tags, they don't mean anything lah, it's not like you're being given a Datuk title from the King. I'm tagless but so what, I can still trade here with no problems. Building up your reputation is not about knowing or having ties with the big shots in LYN or having a 10,000 post count or has became a senior member a decade ago. This does not matter. As a forumer, you can contribute to the forum, like for example, if someone is having problems with their hardware, you can volunteer to help them stey-by-step and you can also mix around with other members in any discussions. Be part of the family but don't spam lah. However, if you're just merely posting sales threads here, I guess nobody will know you and you're still be a newbie even after a year or two. Anyway for a start, if you're willing to do COD, who will doubt you in the first place since for COD, the buyer has nothing to loose so I don't think that the newbie thing is a problem for you but if there are people disturbing you because you're a newbie, the Report button is always there for you but use it wisely and don't abuse it.

Goldfries is right, if the seller sells their products at cut throat prices, they are to be blamed if they can't sell them here so we shouldn't worry about that. Sometimes, some forumers are not giving comments but more like messing around because if they're giving a friendly comment, they should do it in a proper manner, don't post comments which can affect one's sales. This is no different from hijacking somebody's sales thread.

imperialrealcs, you're not complete right about Lelong, no doubt it is an auction site but there are sellers offering buy it now option and the prices are sometimes cheaper. I won't disclose the details here (I'm safeguarding the interests of other sellers here) but when you're free, you can go and compare it yourself, I managed to get a few good deals from that site. Anyway, just be fair to the sellers in LYN, if you're expecting to buy something at half price just because that's all you got in your pocket, I guess it's better to keep quiet than to mess up someone's sales thread hoping desperately that the seller will lower his or her price. That's not how it's done here. If one person do this, the next person will do it, the next thing you know, the whole community will do the same thing, in the end, the whole forum will be in a mess with people flaming each other. It won't do any good to the forum in the long run.

Existing or new members should be educated to do the right thing and flaming each other is chidlish and also a waste of time, bandwidth and storage space of the forum here.

banKarl, you always say senior members kacau you but what you should do is to provide the details here, name the culprits here, don't vent your anger at other people, not everyone is as bad as you think. If you don't spill the beans, who will know what problems you're facing leh? Goldfries is the good guy here, why flame him? He did help me a couple of times to get troublemakers off my threads. The credit should go to him because he helped me even though I'm a small tagless potato here. So, if you're saying that your complaints are fallen on deaf ears, then I'm afraid that I to disagree with you because the mods are doing their job and do take note that they handle hundreds or thousands of complaints daily so give them time to look at your complaint. They're humans after all you know?

As for the rest, I guess you have die hard habits to flame people. Sigh ........ dunno what to say lah, guess you guys need to go to rehab centres for the sake of mankind. This ain't a scene from Baywatch, save what waterfish pulak, that's probably a lame excuse to flame at people's sales thread. Sometimes, when you think that the seller's price is too high, others might find it reasonable and you don't call these people as waterfish. If both parties agree on the price, then what's the big deal? It's not that the seller is pointing a gun at you and forcing you to buy. Last but not least, who are you to determine the selling price of a seller? You ain't a valuation specialist so please don't try to act smart and give the seller a hard time, everyone just wanna sell their stuff here and get on with their life, it's that simple so don't make life difficult for them. Imagine if you're in their shoes, will you like it? Ask yourself honestly and I guess you'll know the answer.

It's 3:41 am liao, he's probably sleepy, tired and blur blur.

Pricing is a subjective manner for used and brand new products. For instance, if we're talking about used phones, for instance, both item A & B are of the same model and years of age, item A is in excellent condition, it comes with a box, manual plus additional accessories, seling for RM800 but item B, which is in poor condition, without box, manual and missing accessories is selling at RM650. What usually happens is that the buyers or maybe troublemakers are being ignorant and flame the seller of item A that his price is too high because people is selling at RM650 only without comparing the condition of both phones. Most of the time, I see that it's useless to tell people that you have a box, manual and everything or if you have two original batteries in the package, these things don't count in the buyer's eyes. What they only see is the price but honestly, how many people keep the boxes and manual or give you complete or additional accessories? Even for used cars, it's the same, if the car is in better condition, used car dealers will sell them more expensive so why not here? I have seen some sellers have been unfairly flamed because of this, how can you compare something which of poor quality with something which is almost showroom condition?

Another scenario will be, item A's market price (brand new) is RM650 in Kedah, and RM500 in KL. Seller is from Kedah, selling item A at RM500, assuming item A is just a few months old, seller gets flamed because buyers say that KL is selling at RM500 for a brand new one so seller should sell at around RM350. Fair to the seller? When the seller bought it at RM650 in his hometown? Not all products are sold at the same price nationwide especially for Northern states plus Sabah & Sarawak too. The seller can still make a sale if he's targetting interested parties from his hometown, I don't see why people from other states should bash him unnecessarily because of this. You can't use the prices in KL as a benchmark because it's totally an unfair comparision when the seller is probably planning to COD with someone in his hometown.

Third scenario for brand new products, including bulk ones too. Some people lack of product knowledge and behave immaturely, he or she will just flame without checking the facts or doing their own research first. For instance, item A is selling RM700 overseas and seller is selling RM750. What happens will be seller is grilled and in the worst case, people will say, so expensive, who will buy leh, this and that. They forgot one thing, how about the freight charges and import duties? No need to pay, ar? Then the seller no need to untung, izzit? Charging RM50 extra isn't too much. Of course, bulk items are cheaper but how about those who are not doing bulk but they're offering their services to bring in something that is not available locally. Their efforts should be appreciated and not insulted like this. Many people are discouraged to sell high end items here because when they look at the price, they will make a lot of hoo hass or probably create a scene here.

Yeah, I'm voicing out because I want this place to be a better marketplace for both the buyers and sellers. If all sellers are flamed unnecessarily, who will be selling here in the end when people create trouble more than buying it. As I've said, it won't hurt to open your mouth or even send a PM to ask for a better price. Ask the seller in a polite manner, rather than criticizing him or her. If the seller is lan si and dun wanna sell you cheaper, then just ignore him or her and move on lah, that simple only. Why wanna waste the bandwidth of the forums to flame him or her unnecessarily. If it's a scam or something fishy, then just hit the report button, flaming won't do any good, inform the mods directly. Everytime when you flame or post spam (useless comments / remarks), you're giving extra work to the mods as they have to clean up the threads especially when the seller reports that somebody is messing up with their sales threads and the mods will know it by reading the comments, whether it sounds like an advice or it's just purely to flame to seller. Be fair to the mods, one action could lead to a lot of consequences and the worst case, the two person will be flaming each other here non-stop. Why make an enemy when you can make a friend?