It is a tough market now, never trust anyone but yourself.
Even the ones I can intro you, don't let your guard down
4WD turbo? you meaning CX3 or Mazda3?



Looks like you need a budget C-segment
If you can top-up your budget get the Proton S70
It fits your requirements of large, spacious cabin, new at about 70k

as long as your friend/pomen doesn't have skin in the game

learn a bit about cars, how to judge it for yourself.


how to spot if cars have been through major accidents and combined together like Frankenstein to resell, or flood.

mostly this thread is to discuss on cars to purchase and provide advice to potential car buyers, especially for used cars.

if you're looking to buy and have decided, do PM me, I can recommend my guy.



Where was it replaced at?
Authorised service center or unknown workshop?



I am not very familiar with the scene at sabah because commonality and parts availability plays a large role in deciding if a car is going to be expensive to maintain.
e.g. Peugeot in France is common and cheap because it is local, Peugeot here if rosak and car cannot move it is going to stay a few days or weeks at the service center waiting for parts to fly in from France.

At the moment Diesel and Petrol R95 prices don't differ a lot.
You may want to reconsider.
Also diesel especially the ones in malaysia will be dirty so replacement or cleaning of injectors would be something to budget for.
Spark plugs in petrol cars are cheaper to replace.



ask the honda salesman to give some discount to pull the deal through.
if not then just abandon it, for 1k budget there will be better cars coming down the pipeline.

personally i wouldn't put much value into it until you see the receipts.



All banks allows, but their friendliness to get things done for you will vary.
If they give you a hard time remember, you're paying higher interest than new car, so they gotta give you respect.



what do you mean?
buying used car from their premium selection range?



Why not consider Axia Rahmah?
It is only RM22k for a new car, better than buying used.
It is also manual.

I understand Kenari would be something you think of because P2 is known for reliable cars but P2 cars like Kenari and Kelisa of that era aren't as safe when it comes to accident survivability. Let me show you a few for your consideration.

2007 Nissan Dualis - this is actually the twin of the boxy X-Trail (the one before the current one) it is a realible car, an SUV which isn't too big or too high, would be great for oldies getting in and out. Parts and maintenance isn't an issue as apart of body panels it shares almost all components with X-Trail. And, YES, you would be budgeting to upkeep of a 2000cc car instead of a 1000cc car but safety and performance I see offset the slightly higher upkeep bill.

if buying new car then there shouldn't be any different from buying any new car.
they have variable interest scheme.
iinm it is because BMW Malaysia is part of GLC, Sime Darby, they able to cut deals with banks to do flexible loans.
first few years cheaper than ending loan more expensive.



Never trust their panel.
It is like sending lamb to slaughter.
They oredi made deals with each other.

Alza is quite a no brainer but not sure you can get one around that price range.
Exora not so nice because it is like van, got a step to enter or exit.
It is not officially sold here, grey import.

2014 Nissan X-Gear 1.6 - this car shares a lot in common with Nissan Latio and Nissan Livina, don't worry about engine parts they're all compatible. Might be have body panels difference but that is about it. It is a crossover type body so it is raised slightly above a sedan like Latio but lower than MPV like Livina. It is a 5 seater so there is more room at the rear and also decent luggage space, though not sure you can fit a wheelchair if you need to. Also it uses standard engine and gearbox, no fancy turbo or CVT/DSG gearbox. Unless abused they're very reliable. Used to drive one of these and the only time they ever broke down was when batteries got flat. Otherwise decent. But a pet peeve of mine is the aircond got 4 levels, level 1 mcm no feel but level 2 mcm too much feel, level 3 and 4 too noisy for me.

The key is height.
Open the door and reverse your tush to the chair.
If you can reverse in and chair is tush height then easy for old farts coz no need to bend, they also have no knee strength after bending

Hi guys sorry for the late replies.
Have been quite busy.
Talking with a few used car dealers on a little project.
It is not going to be carsome level of scale and I only work with dealers that provide great service, cars aren't junk and fast.
You might find a car cheaper elsewhere but service and car condition would be sus.
Will give more details when this comes out.



Personally if you just want to spend under 30k just take a slightly older Proton Inspira
Save yourself headache with Proton-only parts.



CX5 or CRV



1) If it isn't from official VW then be cautious as it is just like any other dealer.

2) There are many options for 5+2

Volvo XC90, Subaru Forrester, Nissan X-Trail, Mitsubishi Outlander.....to name a few

Haval H6 - if you're not aversed to chinese brands then this should be one in your shopping list. It is of the same size as a CRV but it packs alot more and it is much cheaper, not yet officially launched but expected to be under RM150k. I did a test drive recently, it has all the usual amenities found in conti cars. Few things I found interesting was the drivetrain is a 1.5L turbo hybrid, the pickup and power is quite good for such a big vehicle. The panoramic roof. And autoparking for side and reverse parking. Yes, when it comes to Conti and Chinese cars the depreciation is quite bad. For me if the vehicle has the same spec and performance but cost less I would give it a try. A RM120k car depreciate to 40k in 3 years is better than a RM200k car depreciate to 80k in 3 years.



if it is a weekend car then I don't suggest you buy anything with fancy electronics.
Hybrid and EV cars are like sharks, they need to constantly move around to keep their system running.
Keep it idle for too long problems start to crop up and you don't wanna deal with those issues.
Especially things like battery degradation due to less usage.

Since it is for the weekend and a car is a long term commitment -- i think you'll get married and have a family in the next 5 years.
So why not choose something with the option for 7 seats and balik kampung ability?

Subaru Forresters on promotions can be within your budget.
They're good cars only thing is fuel consumption because they're fully AWD all the time but driving in the wet and kg roads you'll feel better assured.
It has 5+2 seating arrangements so when reach kg can create more seats to bring them go out.



Maintenance for German marques will be like RM1000 minimum to enter 3S for servicing.
Some people tend to think they finally got a good deal for a Conti so sayang it go to 3S, after kena burned once they'll never set foot in a 3S again.
Buying any conti you need to absorb into their culture and car groups, sticky to their sifu recommendations for trusted workshops that don't chop you in half.

2017 Lexus ES250 - if you want the feeling of a BMW 5-series but maintenance not so far off from a Toyota Camry, then you should consider something like this. It comes with a very reliable 2.5L flat four, it doesn't have turbo charge but it still produces over 200ft of torque which is what matters when it comes to pickup, not horsepower. This kinda car you're not flying from traffic light to traffic light. You're cruising and floating along -- not too worried about the crazy traffic around you as you're in big comfortable seats, good nvh and mark levinson sound system playing your favourite tunes. Maintenance it isn't going to be cheap but ain't going to bankrupt you either, the engine is used in Rav4, Camry, and Vellfire so many parts and many workshops can deal with it.

you're looking for a fun car?



I think to most people getting a car that is not too old and still under warranty would seem like a good bet
However you're spending 100k on a used car which isn't anything special
I'd suggest you aim for new instead
I know 100k isn't what it used to be but the bank and LHDN hasn't adjustment their SOP to reflect today's inflation
Also I'd be suspect if a car still has warranty, get it verified before proceeding.



you're thinking of buying two cars?



if your finances aren't favourable to buy a car now
please just save money unless your current car is giving you alot of issues



If the use is only for it to work within a 5km radius of your house, something low maintenance, less headache bring to workshop only need rm100 for service, just pump petrol and go then yes you can consider Kelisa, Kenari and Viva.

you didn't survey websites like imoney before signing the LOU?



do you mean as in buying a used Ativa from a friend or used car lot?



if you're going to consider something for old people
then you should consider something with crossover or suv height because it is easier for them to get in and out
sedan cars especially mazda3 and civic are sporty in nature so it is like "sitting on the floor" for them

2018 Toyota Harrier 2.0 - this example is an unreg, meaning it is a used/demo/showroom car from overseas not yet registered in Malaysia so you can buy and treat it like a new car, e.g. new car interest rates for loan and new car number plate you can choose. Usually these imports are brought in by grades, when you go to the showroom to see look for the better grades and but stick within a reasonable budget in your head if not the salesman will bring you to Holland. Maintainence for this is going to be relatively cheap because it uses the same engine as the Toyota Wish and Voxy (baby vellfire) a normal 2000cc that will be within the same maintainence bill as a 2000cc civic or altis.



don't trust sales person
just demand for the car servicing manager to answer

if you're okay with manual the axia ramah is a good starting point.

To put it simply

Perodua
Axia/Bezza/Ativa = A-segment
Myvi = B-segment

Honda
WRV = A-segment
City/Jazz/HRV = B-segment
Civic/CRV = C-segment
Accord = D-segment

You can say Ativa is about the size of smaller SUV's like Mitsubishi ASX, Suzuki Jimny, etc.
Honda has revised their plans for City since 6th Gen with "GM" chassis code.
Due to prices of C-segment cars like Civic and Altis are moving up and become unreachable for B40 they've made it so City becomes a replacement.
City since 6th Gen has a longer wheelbase so rear passenger can sit comfortably just like how stretch limo works.
They've upped the style, space and performance so although it is still within the B-segment category for all intents and purposes it is a C-segment for B40's

I will be recommending some cars from a used car dealer I have recommended to many.
They usually stock cars in better condition and everything above board.
So kereta banjir, no loan kedai, no sambung bayar, no funny business.
They handle everything from A-Z just like the experience of buying a new car.



That is okay, everyone usually does that.




I am guessing your budget to play around would be 30k-50k for a fun little car
There are many options but I would like you to let me know what are your criterias.

Anyway a quick run down of the two you've pointed out.
Rocco is a decent car and it mirrors the Golf.
Rocco 2.0 = Golf GTI
Rocco 1.4 = Golf TSI

Basically just stay away from the 1.4TSI & 7AT DSG combo.
The engine has issues with reliability, it will just kill itself.
The gearbox has issues as well because they say the lubricant is "lifetime" so people never change it and in our hot temperature, it dies.

So get the 2.0 with 6AT DSG.
Though most likely many are abused try and find one which isn't.
It shares the same drivetrain as the Golf GTI MK5 so it is either an EA888 or EA113 block.
Either one is fine but the EA888 has more "tuner toys" if it is a hobby car to be upgraded.

CAR MODEL	CAR YEAR	CAR PRICE
HONDA CR-Z 1.5 HYBRID I-VTEC	2012	RM44,999.00

If you just want something with 2 doors and look sporty but is pocket friendly you can consider the CRZ.
Most are automatics but if you want a fun one there are manual versions out there but the ones in-stock are all automatics.

If the hybrid system fails or battery fails will the car still work?
yes, but your dash will have error messages.
but it reverts to a honda 1.5 vtec with CVT car, which isn't too bad, iinm they're quite speedy from my experience driving jazz and city.




Monthly below RM400
I am assuming 100% loan, no deposit
4% interest rate and 9 years loan
So you can afford something around 30k

CAR MODEL	CAR YEAR	CAR PRICE
PERODUA AXIA 1.0 G	2018	RM30,999.00
VOLKSWAGEN VENTO 1.6 TSI COMFORTLINE	2018	RM30,999.00

Vios Dugong is quite old, if you're able to find one that isn't abused within your budget then you'll need to spend time and money to get it up to a level where it can be a reliable daily driver. if you don't have enough budget then just skip this because you might get tempted by flood car and most used car dealers just wash hands once you sign the papers.

Used Axia would depend on spec and age, the one my used car dealer has in-stock is from 2018 and 1000cc. Nothing much special it is an Axia a very frugal car to run and upkeep. Okay okay so your waifu already got an Alza so you're not too keen in getting another local car in your stable especially a lower tier one. You're considering Axia Ramah because it is the cheapest new but it is manual.

VW Vento might be the pill you need. I mean for the same price as the Axia wouldn't you prefer driving this around?
Granted it is a regular 6 speed gearbox with a normal 1.6 engine with similar tech to VVTI/VTEC called MPI, but this "low tech" solution is reliable. Not a CVT.
The gearbox is sourced from Aisin, the same guys that makes the Toyota gearboxes.
I might not take off like it's TSI variant with turbo & DSG but what it lacks in raw power it makes up for with reliability and cheaper maintenance.
Of course it is within the performance range of other B-segment cars like Vios, Mazda2 and City.
I would say this is a hidden gem not many people know about.



here is something to give you an idea



you can always visit any toyota service center
at the counter you can check with the service staff
they have a calender like thinggy with the price and schedule for each car
recon cars won't be listed but you can get an idea from it
non-turbo harriers will be similar to camry's



Monthly below RM1000
I am assuming 100% loan, no deposit
4% interest rate and 7 years loan
So you can afford something around 70k

CAR MODEL	CAR YEAR	CAR PRICE
MAZDA 3 2.0 SKYACTIV-G GL	2016	RM59,999.00
HONDA CIVIC 1.8 S I-VTEC	2016	RM70,999.00
TOYOTA COROLLA ALTIS 2.0 V	2018	RM72,999.00

Above are prices of vehicles in-stock and available in a used car dealer i'd recommend if you're in Klang Valley

Mazda3 - you get the extra fuel savings and longer range with skyactive technology but in Malaysia your maintainence bill is always going to be slightly higher than Honda/Toyota/Nissan/Perodua/Proton, if it is a specific part that isn't commonly replaced then part prices will be at a premium. On the flip side it is a beautiful car with a nice interior, good performance while fuel consumption is fair even if you rempit it everyday.

Altis - get this if you want something newer and afraid of gremlins get the Altis, it is boring for sure but you'll have less worries on your mind especially when travelling outstation and you have the car going high speed for long periods.

Civic - you can't really go wrong with one of these, in terms of performance they're good while not as fuel saving as Skyactive tech from Mazda you'll get a range of 500-600kmh per tank and easily reach speeds of 200kmh and not noticing it if not many traffic in front of you slowing you down coz the NVH is quite good, it has a slightly stretched and flat rear so rear passengers are more comfortable. Basically the best of Mada3 and Altis with more.....but premium price for it's age because of it.

Car	Year	Price
MAZDA CX-5 2.0 SKYACTIV-G MID	2023	RM126,999.00
MAZDA CX-5 2.2 SKYACTIV-D HIGH	2019	RM101,999.00

Don't be fooled by diesel upkeep from your pick-up and think it will translate to other passenger vehicle, it doesn't.
Only commercial vehicles and pick-ups can withstand the "dirty diesel" in Malaysia.
Anything else you're going to get jammed or clogged injectors.
The Euro5 diesel we have in Malaysia is a bio-diesel mix.
According to Merc and BMW owners, pumping local Euro5 is okay but leceh, need to find station so mcm EV you're limited by station availability.
But the worst part is wasting fuel to force clean the injectors and not keep the diesel sitting in the tank too long, stuff starts growing.
In the end they relented and went back to petrol.

Above are two cars in stock for CX5.




UGPM

Tell me would you sacrifice money for performance and reliability?

In terms of specs Honda's 1.5T and 1.8NA would output about the same performance as yesteryear's 2.0NA.
So you're getting accord-like performance in a small class of car which makes it very zippy.
In standard form both would have around the same HP figure.
However, turbo's usually have higher torque than NA, and this torque is what makes turbo's fun because when it kicks in you're like just catch a big wave and speed up suddenly.

But forcing that punny 1500cc engine to work harder will of course kill it faster, if you're buying new that's not an issue it is the bloke buying used that's gotta pay for it.

The 1800cc is boring, reliable and quite rapid so unless you wanna put a Type-R bodykit and work the paddle shifters for traffic light formula one you're better off with the 1800cc look at the spec sheet, there ain't anything that is really mechanically different besides the turbo for the 1.5TCP everything else is quite superficial.

In summary both can get from 0-120kmh quickly but for the 1.5T there would be a sudden burst at around 50-60km-ish on the speedo as it drags the 2nd or 3rd gear when you poke it real hard.



no problems

no i'm not a dealer
location is at cheras near suntex mrt stop
what u looking for?

in the context of malaysia
the difference in fuel price isn't that much so just get petrol
skyactiv systems give diesel-like fuel range so you're not missing out

yaris? it is a toyota is it decent but boring.
please use the standard form so we can advise better



70k you can get ativa
please use the standard form so we can advise better

If you're open to sedan then target the current Honda Accord, they're phasing out sedan's at Honda so this will be the last generation of Accords for our current domestic market. They are also not bringing in anymore or producing anymore for Malaysian market. So they're just clearing that they have and the discounts are heavy as they're moving their marketing budgets to the newly launched CRV and doing well WRV. Generally, it has a similar drivetrain spec as the Civic 1.5TCP except this one is tuned to extract more power to move that larger body of a D-segment sedan. Thus, maintenance for it won't be galaxies away from the Civic for the most part. One dealer in KL told me they're clearing the showroom and test drive cars at RM165k each, will still full warranties.

CAR MODEL	CAR YEAR	OTR PRICE
BMW X5 2.0 XDRIVE40E M SPORT	2018	OTR RM151,000
HONDA CR-V 1.5 TURBOCHARGED PREMIUM I-VTEC	2019	OTR RM115,000
VOLVO XC40 0.0 RECHARGE P8	2022	OTR RM204,000

Above are a few units from my dealer which might interest you.

The Volvo is an EV so if you want to make that lifestyle change with a proper and premium brand then this should be first on your list. Volvo has been on our shores longer than Tesla and for me it is much more premium and better built than Tesla or anything else available on our market. I mean the BYD's are cool looking with a cheap price but you're always going to have the "chinese car ah? cheap wei" remarks from everyone even though you paid around 200k for the BYD Seal.

The BMW is a speed demon, however do please mind it is a modern BMW with a lot of plastics which will wear and need replacement. Some might find it odd but BMW even uses plastics for it's engine exhaust extractor, one would usually use metal for such high temp applications but not BMW which builds obsolescence into their products so you always gotta follow the maintenance schedule religiously. Otherwise like most modern BMW's they're pretty reliable and very fun to drive.

The CRV would be a middle ground for you as it is the 1.5TCP before the current model thus it loses out of a lot of the creature comforts and toys that come with the new one but if you just want it for being a Honda that as performance of the car while being also reliable, then this fits the bill perfectly. It is similar like how the Gen7 Civic with the highest spec did have a K20 beating heart but the Gen8 Civic was such a huge improvement at the time it turned the tide of the war where people previously loved the Altis were moving over to the Civic camp and Civic's have maintained this superiority ever since. However, imho the difference between the current and previous CRV models ain't that huge.

The one your wife has probably looks like this, right?
If I am not mistaken those would be using 1.6 zetec engines with 4AT slushbox.

The MK2.5 / facelifted would have more shaper peanut eyes with 2.0 duratec and 6AT DCT powershift.
It also had my favourite Ford Focus TDCI

Anyway so with that as a baseline if you're downgrading from C-segment to B-segment the 2 viable options are:
1. Honda City Sedan
2. Nissan Almera
3. Honda WRV

Top 2 are designed with a stretched body so even with the front passengers having maximum space there is still alot of legroom for the people at the rear. This is true for the current and past generation of both models. However, the previous Almera had a lot of quality issues, looks fugly, and performance was mehhh. The current Almera looks better, the turbo gives a better punch but since it is new and turbo I'd starve off from saying how reliable it will be; and lastly I feel the interior feels cheaper than the City.

Although the City Sedan and City Hatch are from the same mold, I isn't as stretched so rear passengers don't have as much space but imho it is more spacious than hatches in the same segment like the Mazda2 and Yaris -- although visually the Yaris looks larger and bulkier.

WRV is a perfect little SUV for ladies. It's segment competitor would be Perodua Ativa but pricing also places it within firing range of the Proton X50. Why I say it is the perfect little SUV for ladies? Firstly, unlike the other two it uses the same drivetrain as the Honda City, Jazz, City Hatchback and HRV. And with many of these cars on the road no worries about part prices and availability the economics of scale is there, and of course it being so common there are bound to have OEM grey import parts at cheaper prices than original from 3S. Also it isn't turbo like the other two so reliability and less headache is more or less assured.

It has a spacious and well thought out cabin compared to the other two. Even comparing the cheapest WRV to the highest spec Ativa, the Ativa feels cheap based on material quality used throughout the cabin. I would say the Proton X50 cabin (new vs new) is on par but I always feel Proton interiors deteriorate rather quickly and badly compared to Honda and Toyota. Just compare a 2013 Suprima (imho one of my favourites back then in terms of looks, specs and "initial" performance....later on the Achilles heel of the punch CVT was just too apparent) to a 2013 Honda Civic and 2013 Toyota Altis, all of them are C-segment the cabin interior's looks and material condition of the Suprima doesn't hold up to the Civic and Altis.

Plus with Malaysian roads getting flooded, bumpers and pot holes ridden it is better to have an SUV.

Looking into used options?

dunno why it looks like a chonky lifted axia to me



many things
used car dealers usually already have relationships with new car sellers
they offer their services to the salesman of every showroom
they usually have in-road to the service center, so getting the service manager to a-ok the car is easy for them