first decide whats your priority? speed? or looks?

subaru's and evos within your budget would be older vehicles, (heck you can only get an evo 7 at most with this money) and obviously being actual performance vehicles, they will drink more fuel and cost more to jaga as parts do wear out faster and generally speaking, some owners abuse them (tho they do take more abuse than typical variants in most cases). compared to the rest in the list, this 2 will easily outperform the rest ofcourse. They are however also the kind most 'non-car-people' dont really appreciate sitting in (especially if you go for a long distance drive) . They are harsh, and are usually noisy as heck even in stock condition.

FD2
- this thing needs no intoduction, but dont mistake it for a type r, they are miles apart.
- very decent car, reliable, has enough power only downside being its somewhat high resale value and that people often kit it up thinking it looks cool. (imo kitting it up is the worst thing you can do with it, diferent people have diferent opinions but i feel its just beng/hairdresserish once its kitted up, all looks no go)

Mitsu lancer Sportsback
- actually a pretty nice car, powerful, unique, somewhat spacious boot (cant really carry big tall boxes iirc? due to the slope)
- roadtax is hefty and some find the look of the rear absolutely horrifying.
- its more common (also fairly practical due to its displacement) brother, the typical lancer/inspira should be considered as well.

crz
- have a few friends driving these things. Till date none of them have had any troube with them and the replacement battery is not expensive. hm carries all the bits you might need so parts are no issue at all.
- only thing they did mention was, some of them regret getting the automatic cars when the 6 speed manuals were offered. They are not fast cars by any means but trust me when i say a car need not be fast to be fun.

Mazda mps (have seen them sell for just under 80k)
- a very unique rare manual 6 speed with the performance to boot, need i say more?
- parts not as easy, aftermarket parts almost impossible, reliability? (no idea), 2.3l roadtax not exactly cheap either

there are some older (circa 2000) alternatives out there like the celica, dc5

With your budget, dont think you can get the type R dc5's. At most just the type s or any other basic variant. Those dc5s should be around as fast as a fd2.... imo not worth it, got the looks but does not run as fast as it should. Personally would get a fd2 instead. Its more practicall all in all and obviously aftermarket bits are easier to find (since it seems like you might be one of those who would give the car a makeover)

I am more inclined towards looks with hintness of uniqueness.
now when something is unique/rare in some way or another, it generally means sourcing bits for it will be a tad more difficult especially if its old.

if you dont really need the space, dont mind getting an older car and was willing to consider the dc5, i feel that you should give the celica a look at. Parts are not that difficult to come by, its fairly reliable, got the looks, its 2zz is powerful enough and handles great. (added plus point, its goes for around 40-50k for a decent condition unit, do note that the autos are imo horribad)


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ohh i forgot to mention the civic's other siblings that you might like....
the euro civic type R (fn2) *note that this goes over the budget alittle
+ this thing is unique, its wildly diferent from the other civics. google it and you will see why, its more of a hot hatch.
- have seen type R variants go for under 90k
- civic purists will curse me for suggesting it cause its suspension setup isnt as hardcore as the jdm fd2... its chassis isnt solid and its got cruder/simpler torsion beams at the rears.

the civic type R (ep3) (have seen them go for around 80k, but its a rare car)
+ this thing is known to be fast, some tests show it to be faster than the fd2 in a straight line even.
- it looks abit plain

**would suggest the accord euro-R's but have no idea if you need a loan...

This post has been edited by lsm1991: Jul 5 2017, 11:58 PM

personal opinion, get something else, anything else.

viva?
saga blm?

a cheap local car will serve you better.

around 90k.... there are 2 common choices for brand new cars at this price range, city, vios, both decent options. City is a very popular/trending choice at the moment.

you should to test drive both..

first and foremost... i would like to say that, I suspect you either bought a lemon or the workshop has been scalping the life off you. The persona while isnt a very economical car (fc wise) is a very reliable and fairly cheap to maintain. Since so much has been spent on the car, im assuming alot has been replaced and if so, the car will probably be able to last quite awhile. If you do decide to get rid of it, i urge you to learn how to view used cars. If you end up buying another lemon, you are going to go through the same issues again.

anyway about your requirements.
-safe
-frugal
-mostly used in town
-reliable

1) if safety is a priority, the most practical option is the car you already own, the persona. The clocest alternative is the waja cps, but let me be very frank, the fuel consumption for the waja is even worse than your persona. In general i would consider i a downgrade.

2)if what you want is a frugal, cheap to maintain, reliable car, the best option is probably a used viva, followed by the myvi. understand however that these cars will not be as stable or as safe as your persona especially on the highways.

One way or another you need to look at your priorities.
the resale of the bunch of cars are about the same. (would maybe go for a 2008 car cause a 2007 car isnt loanable next year hence it might be slightly more difficult to sell in year 2018)

hmmm, im assuming that the 2.5-3k salary is the amount taken home. how much would you actually have to spare at the end of the month? I also assume you need a loan, keep in mind they dont typically offer loans for cars over 10 (this car is already around that age, remember that you have to fork out $ to maintain it). Why not consider a smaller cheaper to maintain car?

anyway, other sedans of that 'standard' include the inspira, forte.... or maybe you like hot hatches like the swift sport?.... I do suggest you think about something you would not have trouble paying for like a myvi or saga.

anything over 10, its only practical if have ready cash in hand. Personally would advise you not to get a personal loan just for a depreciating asset, its just jumping into debt.

basing off your responce, i believe the best fit for you would probably be the swift sport. If its in decent nick, maintaining it is nothing too difficult solong as the major components are problem free. Will admit i wasnt a huge fan of it... but thats I was told, because i have not had a ride in one. Its no rocketship for sure, but it makes up for that with its gocart-like handling. Its just just enough power to fling you round the bends, its all about the corners this one. As far as maintanance goes again not a problamatic car but its 10 years old so yeah you will need to do some work on it.
**note that you will need a manual unit for the full experience. Also want to note that.... its not especially frugal and ONLY takes ron 97

another option would be a neo cps. this will be generally easier to jaga since its a local car and shares bits with other protons. Handles decent and it looks good. The thing thats kind of a letdown would be the engine which isnt really all that powerful and isnt economical (also means potatoes designed the engine, 90's mivecs and vtecs were in my opinion superior in the aspects that mattered).

would have recommended
- colt turbo... but tbh im not entirely sure where would one source bits for that (not impossible sure, but where, i dont know) thats over 10yrs...
- fiesta but the above 2 are better options...
- polo tsi/308turbo.... dont even go there
cant think of anything else atm...

forget the rio... they just released an update but under its skin, there are a few aspects of it which are very yesteryear for a car at that price range (ahem ahem 4 speed box).

maybe focus on the city or jazz? the hybrid versions are coming out soon and given the specs its expected to come with, might be cheaper than the outgoing top spec model like the jazz if its ckd (there are some guys more familiar then me about this)

the Vento is a nice car but keep in mind, its depreciation is on the high side compared to the city. Its resale value isnt helped by the fact that vw loves to offer huge promo's for prereg cars.

mazda 2 sort of fits the bill but its god damned tiny...

thats more like a van...

sometime back you asked about the cx3 and hrv... last yr you ask about maintaining a beemer, and before that a civic...
i really dont know if u main main je ke ape...

anyway to answer the question: you seem to be making a wtb post, this aint really the place ppl sell their cars, this is where ppl look for recommendations.

there are a few threads on the car.... all in all not a bad car, cvt whine taken care of compared to older protons, fc is somewhat decent, i believe the new units have a better headunit? loaded with features....
it just abit cram at the back...

its a fair assumption and is true for certain stale models..... (models that don't sell well). The other time you do get really good deals is when you want to buy a model that is gona be be phased out.

Given your budget of 50k, you are typically looking at the basic local models which do sell fairly well, so usually they DON'T have these excess stock which they need to offload quickly.... so yeah, you might get some discounts or freebies but nothing much more. For those models, they typically offer good deals during major celebrations, notably raya.

well with that budget... your options are on the limited side....

saga... iriz.... axia.... bezza...
really depends on what you need really. all 4 dont really have any major issues, both brands are offered with basically similar warranty.... so yeah...

*if u want a bezza, would splurge abit more for the top end model.....

am confused as to what you are asking......
first you must understand Mudah, Carlist Or oto.... or even the newspaper, all of these are sites for anyone including businesses to advertise at. so it will include adverts by private sellers and dealers.
so think it as a public notice board for everyone to post stuff.

as far as where you should find one.... well.. an evo 9, look at ALL of them.... just get someone who knows what he is looking at. Evos are cars which tend to be modified, so keep that in mind I personally would look at the personal units first cause the owners would know whats been done to it. Whether or not they are honest about it is a whole different story. Dealers on the other hand tend to spew lots of bs when it comes to modified cars.... (im serious and not exagerating when 90% of them dont know whats in the car and simply spew lots of bs allover the place.)

if you cannot even inspect that... i really think you should find someone who knows how to view cars...

is it a cash rebate?? if so yeah should fall just under 50k.... but its a more 'dated' design and comes with less of the safety features packed into the other models. (for the price)...... theres gona be a myvi replacement soon anyway, u might consider waiting for that. (doesnt sound too likely, but they might have excess stock that they need to get rid off at that point)

a good example of a case where too little info makes it hard to answer

**if you are asking about the audi TT, its best to ask the owners club, the owner club would have a few members very well versed in their cars.

hmmm 5k gross.... how much are you willing to toss at the car monthly and how many years would you like to feed the banks. I believe that's what you should decide on first.

IF you are already considering the vios, then please go ahead and consider the city (and jazz if you suddenly are interested in hatches). Its outselling the vios at the moment. the hybrid model should be around 90k (iirc) but really, the standard city gets great milage on its own.

An alternative to the beza is the persona, its a larger car with more to offer. The downsides of it are that its kinda sluggish cause of that lethargic cvt, some niggling issues with rattling here n there (i believe they will slowly solve these, its still a fairly new model, might 2-3 years to solve all the annoying things) and their fc isnt really great compared to other cars of this segment. On the plus side, safety is excellent, it looks ok (other than the rims), its large enough (not huge like the old persona but compared to the beza which has literally upright seats at the back, its fine)

the cars in your list and listed above are not typically problematic cars so, no worries there.

lol what or who on earth told you a vios is cheaper to maintain than a beza!?!?
A beza will cost less than a vios to run and maintain in general..... its a smaller car, almost everything on it costs less. Plugs 3 vs 4, tires, basically almost everything is cheaper (i believe only the high end bezza's battery costs more, u better confirm this, fluids im not sure but its very likely the same or again slightly cheaper)

protons will also fit the bill quite well taking into account servicing costs and all that.

okayy.... still, this is perfect

if you look at it from another perspective, perodua's are based off daihatsu models, and diahatsu is basically toyota (but marketed towards lower end small sized vehicles).

Therefore, perodua = toyota




This post has been edited by lsm1991: Aug 9 2017, 03:38 PM