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post Jun 7 2007, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 7 2007, 02:30 PM)
One thing... seems like when I am using HDMI, I can't change to progressive or Interlace. So... how ah? I can't seem to be able to choose the resolution also.
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If you refer to page 30 of the manual, if u are using HDMI, then u cannot select progressive/interlaced. Also cannot select output scaling. All auto based on the signal from your source.

What do you mean resolution? Aspect? sharpness? contast?

If you are refering to "Resolution" on the Info menu... its only available for analog/component signals. See page 27. Anyway this is for info only, no selection possible. Maybe for a digital signals via HDMI the resolution does not matter. I do not HDMI yet, so I dun know why its not available.

Bro Dirtrun is using HDMI, maybe he can chime in on this matter
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i have a 9 ft x 9 ft room...is it too small for a projector? hmm.gif
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post Jun 10 2007, 02:20 PM

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QUOTE(chinmh @ Jun 9 2007, 05:36 PM)
i have a 9 ft x 9 ft room...is it too small for a projector? hmm.gif
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Nope. It is not too small. The only diff with small room is, your screen is gonna be small. So, end up, you might only get around 60" or slight more...
So, the hassles of setting up might not be as worth as when you have slightly bigger room.
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jun 7 2007, 06:09 PM)
Bro Dirtrun is using HDMI, maybe he can chime in on this matter
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Hi,

If output 720p from dvdp then you ll have either normal and thru' setting only, I think...
If output thru component more settings available but of cos upscaled pics are nicer thru hdmi la...

I dont get it, why do you need interlaced thru hdmi ?

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jun 11 2007, 09:11 AM)
Hi,

If output 720p from dvdp then you ll have either normal and thru' setting only, I think...
If output thru component more settings available but of cos upscaled pics are nicer thru hdmi la...

I dont get it, why do you need interlaced thru hdmi ?

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I want to choose between 1080i or 720p...

Anyway, I notice more noise in this 700 compared to AX100... Not because AX100 got smoother screen but it is the pic quality... hmmmm... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 11 2007, 09:52 AM)
I want to choose between 1080i or 720p...

Anyway, I notice more noise in this 700 compared to AX100... Not because AX100 got smoother screen but it is the pic quality... hmmmm... hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Hey Bro T,

Do tat thru your dvdp...

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heyyuh guys! My HD1 arrived at showroom last week, still unopened, wanna go today and check it out.

Went to see McIntosh's projector at bangkok, noisy thing, and the image was merely good. The Marantz VP-11S1 and the DLA-HD1 on the other hand had awesome setups.
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i need to have home theatre system in my room, can someone recommend to me a budget set up with a silver screen . I need a sound system too and i wonder if AegoM is the starter for beginner like me.
Can i set up in below 4K with projector , screen and speaker in?
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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jun 11 2007, 10:06 AM)
Hey Bro T,

Do tat thru your dvdp...

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Oh.................. Thanks....


QUOTE(hackwire @ Jun 11 2007, 04:55 PM)
i need to have home theatre system in my room, can someone recommend to me a budget set up with a silver screen . I need a sound system too and i wonder if AegoM is the starter for beginner like me.
Can i set up in below 4K with projector , screen and speaker in?
Thanks
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shocking.gif shocking.gif

RM4k with projector, silver screen and AegoM??? Wa.... This one must notworthy.gif

Hmm... How should we start? AegoM = RM4k, The projector, get donation from brother... the screen? Go hardware shop buy a plate of steel plate.
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 10 2007, 02:20 PM)
Nope. It is not too small. The only diff with small room is, your screen is gonna be small. So, end up, you might only get around 60" or slight more...
So, the hassles of setting up might not be as worth as when you have slightly bigger room.
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60 inch is ok for me...anyway i planning to get Sony BRAVIA VPL-AW15 Projector which cost RM5k but how much is the cheapest screen available?

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Short review of JVC DLA-HD1 video performance.

JVC has always made magnificent projectors. So, it's a big deal when a new comes out. Enter the JVC DLA-HD1, the newest member in JVC's D-ILA family. JVC has been known to create boxy, and ugly designs for the projectors, but the HD1 and it's brethren the HD10k is different, they're pretty handsome actually! The JVC DLA-RS1 and the HD1 have no difference, despite the fact that they are sold through divisions(The RS1 is sold through JVC's Professional division while the HD1 is sold through it's consumer division). JVC claims a 15000:1 CR without a dynamic iris along with other goodies, lets see how it performs.

I pop in one of the most beautiful transfers in Blu-ray, Happy Feet. The movie looks good, and sounds pretty good too. What do I see? The first thing I find out is the deepness and neutralness of the blacks, as well as the color accuracy made by this JVC, it is truly astounding. The colors just pop up in 3D-like motion in the scene where Mumble is being chased by the seal, while the blacks really show in one chapter where they find lovelace near an abandoned site, this scene is really dark and you can really see the blacks on the Killer Whales. The whites are bright too, without a hint of grey at all, just bright whites.

Moving on to detail, we popped in The Departed Blu-ray. In one scene where they celebrate graduation day, there is a close up of a shirt and you can see the weavings and stitches in shirt very clearly, sharp and clean. In Happy Feet again, there are some dark scenes which showcase it's blacks and details. The scene is dark as it should be, but the blacks aren't crushed and so detail is not lost in many things. Unlike the Sony VPL-VW50, the JVC's blacks are neutral and not bluish, while the Mitsubishi HC5000 is slightly grey.

I see no hint of SDE at all, maybe because it's a 1080p projector, but the Mitsubishi HC5000 like many LCD projectors tend to have visible SDE up close. On a 120" screen I saw no sign of SDE at 2 feet, only when I went as close as half a feet did I see SDE. This was not the case with the HC5000, I saw SDE at 2 feet, almost clearly. The menu is simple, and well laid out, test patterns was a nice touch. The remote is fine, with backlighting, but a bit too plain when the projector is that flashy.

The Projector is brighter than the HC5000 or the Sony Pearl, easily projecting a 10-foot wide image with very very acceptable picture. There are 2 HDMI inputs, one composite, one Component, and one S-Video. Those who have spent this much should probably invest in a Pre/Pro+Amplifier or receiver.

I didn't have time to check on the de-interlacing capabilities, its good to note that it uses Gennum's VXP technology. This will be done sometime this week or next week with Pioneer's excellent DV989-AVi DVD player, one of the few DVD players that can output 480i.

All in all I think JVC has done an incredible job with this one. This certainly puts it a notch above the Sony VPL-VW50 and VW-100(Really! We'll do a shootout soon. Farhan), Mitsubishi's HC5000, Epsons Home/Pro Cinema 1080, as well as Panasonic's AE1000. It's closest competitor would be Sharp's $10,000USD XV-Z21000 and Marantz's RM57,000 VP-11S1. At RM22,999 it is much cheaper than the two and should definitely be worth a look if your planning to spend that much.

The JVC has earned psp _BOY's 'Breakthrough Performance' award as well as the 'OMG! Check out that Black level' award. tongue.gif laugh.gif

Equipment used:

Projector: JVC DLA-HD1, Sony VPL-VW50, Mitsubishi HC5000.
Cables: PCOM HDMI, IXOS Interconnects, etc.
Blu-ray player: Sony BDP-S1
Screen: Senemax Alum 120" fixed 2.0 gain.
AV Receiver: Yamaha RX-2600V (I'll be using the Krell Pre/pre and amps next time, dammit! Farhan)
Speakers: Energy C-5 fronts, C-C1, C-R1 rears. ( Martin Logan's Electrostatic next time. Farhan)
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post Jun 12 2007, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Jun 11 2007, 04:55 PM)
i need to have home theatre system in my room, can someone recommend to me a budget set up with a silver screen . I need a sound system too and i wonder if AegoM is the starter for beginner like me.
Can i set up in below 4K with projector , screen and speaker in?
Thanks
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I would say that it is possible, but the results will be unsatisfactory. For this price you will be getting somthing like a data projector or a second hand HT projector.... For the Audio, it wiil be some kind of HTIB. If these are OK for u then go for it.


Added on June 12, 2007, 10:14 am
QUOTE(chinmh @ Jun 9 2007, 05:36 PM)
i have a 9 ft x 9 ft room...is it too small for a projector? hmm.gif

60 inch is ok for me...anyway i planning to get Sony BRAVIA VPL-AW15 Projector which cost RM5k but how much is the cheapest screen available?

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9x9 ft can, but the benefits may not be great. Without a slightly larger room and a wider screen you may not get that "immersive" effect as when you are in a Cinema. In the end it may jsut feel like a large flatpanel....

For an affordable screen can get from computer shop for a few hundred RM. If you want slightly better quality can buy material from Internet/ebay and get you carpenter to frame it for you.


Added on June 12, 2007, 10:20 am
QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 11 2007, 09:52 AM)
I want to choose between 1080i or 720p...

Anyway, I notice more noise in this 700 compared to AX100... Not because AX100 got smoother screen but it is the pic quality... hmmmm... hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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While I never had the 2 projectors side by side, but I would say that the AX100 has more noise.... again this is from comparing with the few AX100 that I help to sell. The TW700 picture is much "cleaner".


Added on June 12, 2007, 10:22 am
QUOTE(psp _BOY @ Jun 11 2007, 11:36 PM)
Short review of JVC DLA-HD1 video performance.
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Good stuff there psp_BOY. Really looking forward to visiting and sampling your setup.



This post has been edited by jasonlky: Jun 12 2007, 10:22 AM
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post Jun 12 2007, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(chinmh @ Jun 11 2007, 11:30 PM)
60 inch is ok for me...anyway i planning to get  Sony BRAVIA VPL-AW15 Projector which cost RM5k but how much is the cheapest screen available?
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Hmmm... Why Sony Bravia? Do do some research before buying. RM5k is not cheap. You can get the best 720p projector available for slightly more. May be Jason can give u a good discount tongue.gif

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Added on June 12, 2007, 10:14 am
9x9 ft can, but the benefits may not be great.  Without a slightly larger room and a wider screen you may not get that "immersive" effect as when you are in a Cinema.  In the end it may jsut feel like a large flatpanel....

For an affordable screen can get from computer shop for a few hundred RM.  If you want slightly better quality can buy material from Internet/ebay and get you carpenter to frame it for you.


Added on June 12, 2007, 10:20 am

While I never had the 2 projectors side by side, but I would say that the AX100 has more noise.... again this is from comparing with the few AX100 that I help to sell.  The TW700 picture is much "cleaner".


Added on June 12, 2007, 10:22 am

Good stuff there psp_BOY.  Really looking forward to visiting and sampling your setup.
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cry.gif cry.gif How come I see different one?

QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jun 12 2007, 10:39 AM)
My take on 1080.  After a much needed hiatus from visiting AV shops, I recently wandered into an AV shop while in Singapore and was able to sample the VPL50 and together with the new BluRay player.  The shopowner tells me that the setup in the room... audio, screen, furniture, projector, lighting etc was recently refurbished for a cool sum of SGD500k.  Apparently that was supposed to impress me. 

He wanted to show off the BluRay player and the VPL50.  So I was invited to sit and was told to wait to be amazed.  I am not sure if its because of the demo discs, but I just did not like the picture.  Yes the picture has superb clarity, each grain of sand, each pine needle, each strand of hair is clearly visible, or should I say... painfully visible.  But who actually views the world through their eyes like that?

I would say that the picture is unrealistic and detracts the enjoyment of the movie.  Not at all like the cinema... more like a videogame or watching home movies made with my Sony Handycam (not HD).  The shopowner then popped in a few 1080 movies and still I was not enjoying myself as I should have been.  I left not long after, not forgetting to thank the shopowner for the hospitality.

My purpose is not to start another resolution war, but just want to see if anyone else shares this opinion.  I think that I am just not used to the new stuff after a steady diet of 720p.
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Kekekek..... Geng!!!! This guy, give him the best also complain... laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Hahhaha,

I like you all la...

I have not sampled 1080p PJs in a light controlled environment so cant really comment ...

Bro Tim ooaah how long have you had de epson ...never say anything one...
You should just start from a fresh frame of mind ... always comparing is not my idea of fun.

Now I am going to go enjoy my elcheapo system liao...

Cheers
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jun 12 2007, 10:39 AM)
My take on 1080.  After a much needed hiatus from visiting AV shops, I recently wandered into an AV shop while in Singapore and was able to sample the VPL50 and together with the new BluRay player.  The shopowner tells me that the setup in the room... audio, screen, furniture, projector, lighting etc was recently refurbished for a cool sum of SGD500k.  Apparently that was supposed to impress me. 

He wanted to show off the BluRay player and the VPL50.  So I was invited to sit and was told to wait to be amazed.  I am not sure if its because of the demo discs, but I just did not like the picture.  Yes the picture has superb clarity, each grain of sand, each pine needle, each strand of hair is clearly visible, or should I say... painfully visible.  But who actually views the world through their eyes like that?

I would say that the picture is unrealistic and detracts the enjoyment of the movie.  Not at all like the cinema... more like a videogame or watching home movies made with my Sony Handycam (not HD).  The shopowner then popped in a few 1080 movies and still I was not enjoying myself as I should have been.  I left not long after, not forgetting to thank the shopowner for the hospitality.

My purpose is not to start another resolution war, but just want to see if anyone else shares this opinion.  I think that I am just not used to the new stuff after a steady diet of 720p.
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I'm hoping to wow people with a CIH 2.35:1 setup unsure.gif
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 12 2007, 12:57 PM)
Hmmm... Why Sony Bravia? Do do some research before buying. RM5k is not cheap. You can get the best 720p  projector available for slightly more. May be Jason can give u a good discount
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Ah this is the AW 15 is one of the new budget 720p projector from Sony, the other one is AW10. I saw an AW10 demo unit on display, not sure if of the availability in Malaysia. But street prices should be definitely less than RM5k for AW15(12,000 contrast) and RM4k for AW10(6,000 contrast). At that time I didn't even notice it... the casing is "oh so boring grey" and rectangle. Since it was not hooked up I did not get to see it. I did a quik read over on the www, and aparently out of the box it needs some calibration and with good black levels. I think its good value for the money. Read somewhere that is was comparable to the previous generation Epson... the TW600. Its major downfall is that its not bright and really needs a high gain screen or a light controlled room, 1100 lumens only. But in all an excellent starter projector.

BTW, I have stopped selling projectors liow. But can ask me for advicelah.



QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 12 2007, 12:57 PM)
Kekekek..... Geng!!!! This guy, give him the best also complain...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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Dun like thatlah, bro Tim.
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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jun 12 2007, 01:11 PM)
Hahhaha,

I like you all la...

I have not sampled 1080p PJs in a light controlled environment so cant really comment ...

Bro Tim ooaah how long have you had de epson ...never say anything one...
You should just start from a fresh frame of mind ... always comparing is not my idea of fun.

Now I am going to go enjoy my elcheapo system liao...

Cheers
Dirtrun
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Actually, I am kinda busy now. I still haven't send the ceiling mount bracket to make it Epson. It is still Panny at the moment. Kekekeke... laugh.gif laugh.gif

Anyway, I will once everything is up. I am still trying to catch the baddy in Epson. Kekekeke...


QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jun 12 2007, 02:58 PM)
Ah this is the AW 15 is one of the new budget 720p projector from Sony, the other one is AW10.  I saw an AW10 demo unit on display, not sure if of the availability in Malaysia.  But street prices should be definitely less than RM5k for AW15(12,000 contrast) and RM4k for AW10(6,000 contrast).  At that time I didn't even notice it... the casing is "oh so boring grey" and rectangle.  Since it was not hooked up I did not get to see it.  I did a quik read over on the www, and aparently out of the box it needs some calibration and with good black levels.  I think its good value for the money.  Read somewhere that is was comparable to the previous generation Epson... the TW600.  Its major downfall is that its not bright and really needs a high gain screen or a light controlled room, 1100 lumens only.  But in all an excellent starter projector.

BTW, I have stopped selling projectors liow.  But can ask me for advicelah.
Dun like thatlah, bro Tim.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I seeeeee.... I guess I am outdated already. Kekekeke... but paying similar amount and getting something that is not bright really turns me off. I showed it to a friend yesterday from Singapore and he was WOW!!! He enjoyed it. Again, my usual Demo disc... The Cars... And he sat there like a small kid.... waiting for us chit chat on other thing. If its not because of the time and relative got to go, he would have finish the whole movie.... quietly.
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 13 2007, 09:29 PM)
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I seeeeee.... I guess I am outdated already. Kekekeke... but paying similar amount and getting something that is not bright really turns me off. I showed it to a friend yesterday from Singapore and he was WOW!!! He enjoyed it. Again, my usual Demo disc... The Cars... And he sat there like a small kid.... waiting for us chit chat on other thing. If its not because of the time and relative got to go, he would have finish the whole movie.... quietly.
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But bro...the street prices of these new 720p projectors could be a cool 25% cheaper than what we paid for the TW700..... for those with budget about RM4K can considerlah.

Grown ups watching Cars quietly... priceless. Incidently I watched it with my kids last Saturday afternoon..... again. I must have seen it 15 times now... can almost recite the dialogue along with the characters, I know my daughters can!

Ka-chow!!
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QUOTE(timothyy @ Jun 13 2007, 09:29 PM)
I showed the tw700 to a friend yesterday from Singapore and he was WOW!!! He enjoyed it. Again, my usual Demo disc... The Cars... And he sat there like a small kid.... waiting for us chit chat on other thing. If its not because of the time and relative got to go, he would have finish the whole movie.... quietly.
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See bro Tim,

If you change your mind set and dont compare you ll be doing de same ... biggrin.gif
Well at least theres less problems wif de epson then de panny... of tat you have to agree...

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