Nice review. LEt us know the price la. So that some of us can think of getting it...
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Jan 18 2007, 04:36 PM
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At least u get your chance to see demo...
For me, I only able to test Panny and Optoma. Not others. |
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Jan 19 2007, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(silbii @ Jan 18 2007, 04:49 PM) sadly you're prone to the rainbow effects..if not there are loads of choices out there... Well, for the 720p class, Z5 got really low lumens compared to Panny.there's a Sanyo Z5 already? oh my god! it seems that i've been leaving the projector world a bit too long...hehe. Used to be a regular at AVSforum those days when infocus x1 ruled. Anyways - i'm not your average rich guy - i only use a data projector for my dvd viewing (an old Dell 2200mp) which i got there years ago and i'm actually kinda happy with it...haha...(i know it's kinda sad) have fun auditioning guys!  Guess what, I kinda hope my panny can be brighter.  That is why I am waiting for my calibration DVD to arrive. Jason, I've tested Optoma H72 and H70... both look good. No rainbow effect for me. But I hate the distributor. Even if I get 2 years warranty... I had bad experience with their sales guy. |
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jan 19 2007, 05:53 PM) Timothyy, htkaki is doing a bulk for the HD70 in the bulk section, pretty good price. AS mentioned, I can't accept the local distributor... Vismart... They are terrible.Red, Thanks for the information. BTW 720P projectors are as cheap as HK... I have recently checked. Do not believe the Retail price that is advertised. You can almost get 20% off the retail price if you are persistent. How about giving us your take on the Hitachi? |
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Jan 20 2007, 11:44 PM
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InFocus with 720p? I didn't hear about this before.
Well, there are many projectors in the market but you got to compare apple to apple to appreciate. And on top of that, projector is a delicate electronics, to me, warranty is so important and getting from a reliable source or brand is important too. |
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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jan 22 2007, 11:21 AM) Hehehe, Yo!!! Bro...!!! That is model AX100 la. If model AE1000, the RSP is RM14,999.00 Definitely is not below 10k.Just to add to Bro Jason's take on PJ's De Panny ae1000 which is a 1080p lcd(if not mistaken) is below 7k at last quote, how good dunno u hv to go check it out urself Thanks Dirtrun QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jan 22 2007, 10:38 AM) gaijin, OK. Now, my turn to give some of my opinion on the projector. I was installing my self made (not really self made but asked my contractor to fabricate for me,,, donno the price yet). Its a ceiling mount. None adjustable ceiling mount.Thanks for your take on my review. Please choose to ignore it if my ancillary equipment does not measure up to your minimum standards. Just sharing a personnal experience. Its my take on the projector in a real world environment, in my own AV room. I indicated all the conditions when I viewed the projector so that everyone can takeaway whatever is relevant to them. I have viewed: 1. Infocus & Sanyo (in Sunway, but it was a forgettable experience) 2. Sonys (HS60, VW50, VW100 in KLCC, blacks were good, but pics put me to sleep) 3. Benq (another forgettable experience) I did not fancy any of these projectors ... even if they were setup in the "proper environments", where there was full light control, a dedicated screen and licensed DVD. The Panny is still up on top of my list... which was viewed in my AV room with "a wall and ahem dvds". If you are in the market for a front projector, I would encourage you to visit any of these AV rooms to experience it for your self. My AV room has not yet been engineered to maximise the HT experience yet, although that is the intention. The cornerstone of the AV room is the projector. I want to get that first so that I can figure out its proper placement. Next I intend to put in a screen..... by this I mean I will test with various fabrics and paints until I am saticfied with it in my setup ..... not just the one that the projector distributor happens to carry. And then build the fixtures & fittings, panelling and seats around them. Hopes this process makes sense... Trying to get the Epson TW700 home for a few hours today or tomorrow so that I can view it in the same condition as I did with the Panny AX100E. Timothyy, Infocus IN76 is a 720p projector and can be found in Sunway. But if do not like Vismart.... you may not like them there too. Just go for demo and dun have to tok to themlah. g5sim, looking at my bola kristal, i can tell you that we will have sub RM10k 1080p projectors before the end of this year.... jes intime for krismas  Lets have more reviews and takes on projectors that you own or have seen!! My goodness. My whole body is aching now. I was wondering why my arms felt heavy and thought must be I didn't do a lot of exercise (in fact, never) but later only realise its the drilling and installation that made me like this. My house now is a mess with all the wiring running here and there. Anyway, if you gonna do ceiling mount with a fixed projector screen, get an installer to help you. Your RM1-200 installation fees is worth it. Kakaka... Just drilling 4 ceiling mount screws took my whole sunday away. Kakakaka. Why? Coz my Made in China drill couldn't get through so easily. At last, only 3 holes made. When I put the projector up, I had to ask my wife, who is 4 months pregnant to climb on the table to hold the projector while I screw the projector tightly. Man, how cruel can I be asking a pregnant lady to help? Anyway, when I was drilling the ceiling, she helped me pointing the vacuum hose direct to the drill point to avoid dust. She got neck pain too. Ha! HA!  OK, so, the projector was fixed onto the ceiling... guess what?  even with a flexible lense shift on my Panny AX100, I still couldn't get the projection nicely onto my fixed screen. Heck!!! Its not as easy as you think.  And imagine if I would have gotten an Optoma (no lense shift) or other brands. I'd cry.... So, at last, with some engineering mind (back land one), I managed to adjust the mounting using washer and loosening my wall mount. It was hell. At this point, the projection also not so good. If you adjust through the remote/soft adjust, you can't get the right position. At the end, I need to +1 keystone. After installing, of course, I need to test the picture quality... when I put on the test screen, I notice 3 things... 1) Watching movie using different format --> HDMI, composite or S Video will give different positioning of your lense. So, I opted for HDMI to adjust the position of my projected picture. 2) If you concentrate the test screen, you will notice a short flicker. I am still trying to figure out what is the cause of this. Before this when it was on the table, it was ok. Hopefully it the electricity not good last night. Anyway, when watching movie, it was hardly noticeable. Just hope this won't cause my bulb to blow. 3) I also notice the top portion is brighter than the bottom portion. So, the top, you will see a bright bluish white and the bottom, a reddish dull white. Of course, when it comes to watching movie (was watching serenity last night), you can't notice the difference. I guess this is the distance between the lense and the screen. So, here it is. My mini review. What I suggest is... unless you are a contractor or hard "kuli" then may be you want to install your own projector. Its harder than you think. But doing it is half the fun. Today, after work, I'll be doing my cable laying. I am using 1 1/2 inch PVC cable casing to lay my power, HDMI and S Video cables. They are all about 20m long. Heck!!! Its tiring. Really!!! May be I am getting old but every drop of my sweat is sweet!!  |
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Jan 22 2007, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(laowai @ Jan 22 2007, 09:09 PM) timothyy, what RM1,200 installation fees you referring to? Installation with mount, cost about RM300 only... why go thru all that trouble?  You blind ah? I say 1-200 la... not 1,200 la... Aiyo... To me, RM50 also expensive...  |
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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jan 23 2007, 03:50 PM) Woh Bro tim, Ha! HA!... You are right...Respect you lo... I am not opting for de DIY route too many things to consider for a noob like me, will get proffesional help hope it is within my means but up north I don t think 200 will cover it... I mean de laying of power cable is gonna set u back at least 80 bucks and that oso elcheapo unit better at least get one with surge protector one. Then the mount is at least 300/- for a 2-2.5ft long one, I think then labor for laying de cables in pvc casing, I fig 500/- might be able to cover it but not 200/-, then tuning it rite at least de first time...I guess fine tuning we can do later with Avia or sumthing like that but at least got decent pictures firstlo... Cheers Dirtrun Well, getting AX100 at below RM6k is a good buy. I got it more than 6k. Anyway, in any AV shop, the real money making is when u ask them to install it for you. You see, why I didn't want to ask them to install... 1) They charge you installation fee. 2) They never take care of your item. 3) Every accessories used cost damn expensive. (Its time to slaughter) 4) The ceiling mount bracket is a universal bracket... hence, it looks ugly 5) They charge you thousands of ringgit on your cables. 6) They will introduce you 101 item to add on to your projector to so called enhance the quality and protection 7) They will sell their cheapo screen to you and say its the best. And it costs you almost RM3k. Well, I see tonight I lazy or not, if not, I will start my own thread on my projector project. Last few bits now before I complete my project. Now left 3 PVC casing to install. Kekeke... |
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Jan 23 2007, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jan 23 2007, 10:01 PM) Epson TW700 Aw... thats too bad. It was the same when Panashop Subang showed me the AE900. Kakaka... it was in the manager's room... I guess that was was about 10 feet by 6 feet... really cramp.... 3 ppl standing inside felt like sardine... And they projected it onto their wall... Light from outside was bright enough to take away the fun. The worst case was I just came back from a full AV room light controlled Optoma H72 and H70 review. Kakakaka... straight away I say No no to AE900.Well I finally go the chance to go see the Epson TW700 at the Epson HQ in Subang Jaya. Unfortunately I was not free, so my Dad went instead. The viewing was done in a conference room that could not be light controlled. So my Dad could not really make a good comparison with the Panny AX100E. He said that the Epson was slightly sharper than the Panny and pixel was visible at about 0.8 x screen width. Bulb mode could not be controlled and was automatically switched by the colour mode that was chosen. He could not comment on the colours as the room was too bright. I am making plans to view the TW700 at an Epson Distributor's AV room. I hope that to make a final decision then. Anyway, you can't compare if its not apple to apple. But good luck. Kekekeke... Since lumens wise, Epson only down by 400 dynamic lumens and the rest sounds better than Panny AX100, cheaper somore... why not? QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jan 23 2007, 04:56 PM) Ha ha ha, Now... u still need to worry quite a lot. Firstly, getting all the dealers for Panasonic... just go to Panasonic Webpage and get the whole list and phone number by states. Kakakaka... why search yellow pages?? Still got ppl use ah? kekekeke... Bro Tim, dat is after one weeks hard work perusing de net and calling de shops , do you know there is no listing for Panashops in de yellow pages...sheesh. And after finding de nos they split de shops on biznes stuff and electronic gear LOL...even if both shops sell Panny pjs.. and the price I got is for cash payment wif 50% up front during ordering. Ha ha ...on de shops potong leher I agree wholeheartedly ... thats why I buy my own cables, my own PJ but still haven't found de mount yet... Screens have to do later as must see what suits de pj/room combo thing but now on paper thinking of 96X54 using plywood with black out curtain wrap route. On accesories if I have de money maybe go for video processor like DVDO but dreaming onleee le Cheers Dirtrun Now, your screen frame... if you gonna do it yourself, I suggest you go to a frame maker shop and get direct from them. Wa lah... solve all problem. I nearly heart attack when the shop tried to send the frame to me. It was huge. I got around 107 x 57 now. Kakakaka...  120" diagonal. Crazy right? But its worth it. You see, I am staying in an apartment... bringing a 9 footer long frame with clean white sheet up 7 floor is not easy job. All 3 of us sweat like pigs after that. Kakakaka...Anyway, I think I can start my work today... |
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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Jan 24 2007, 12:54 PM) Hehhehe, No la... thats one of the reason why I got Panny AX100 instead of Optoma or Mit 1000 or Sanyo Z5 or Epson... Well that one all pass story already... Wahh ... on ur screen size how far is ur proj from screen ...I mean for u to use such a huge 120" screen (Greedy ah...hehehe) if I can garner from de website info if 120 and not using telephoto u would need like 30-40 ft length ... I know I know u can use de telephoto but dat would take up neccessary lumens or sumthing (am I making sense here) and make ur picture dimmer... care to share bro or at least point my mistakes on my rudimentary understanding of the info. Cheers Dirtrun Panny is one of the few that comes with 2x zoom lense. Optoma only 1.2 lense. Its huge difference. You can always visit projectorcentral.com for the calculation of your distance needed for screen size. Actually, my projector is mounted at around 15feet from screen. May be less. I can blow up to at least 150". But heck... who is gonna do that for me? Kiasu? I totally agree I kiasu on the size. Ha! HA! My mom when visited me last month commented that she is like watching movie "klas kambing". (Last time, during their time, front 2 rows in the cinema is cheaper...) Anyway... I am ok with the size. Just right. |
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jan 24 2007, 03:09 PM) Actually the Epson TW700 does one better with the zoom.... or should I say 0.1 better, it has 2.1x zoom, and it comes with its own well renowned Fujinon lenses that are used in the very much higher priced JVC projectors Kakakaka... true true... I have also read that there is difference in picture quality between full telephoto and full wide angle. The differences is in the brightness and contrast. Apparently the middle of tele and wide seems to give the best of both worlds. Of course your room constrains will ultimately determine your zoom. TImothyy, where is your zoom sitting? By the wat HT is not really klas kambing. Just because no other seats in front of you does not qualify. To put it into perspective, you'd need to be 3-5' from a 120" screen to be klas kambing. And should be sitting on the floor so you strain your neck to look up at the screen. In HT you would usually sit 10-15' from a 120" screen.... which would put you in the sweet spot... around Row J or K in a modern cinema. . And you are in this sweet spot all the time for every movie!!! Now isn't it all worth the effort.... Now, someone, please pass the popcorn!Anyway, about Epson, when I bought that time, (Nov 30 2006) Epson hardly got any review. I didn't get to go through Epson and since I bought this already, I better don't read anymore reviews. Ha! Ha!... Later I regret. Yeah, I am sitting around 10ft from the screen. When completed, I might sit further. I get the best seat now with best sound surround. Wowow... popcorn? I can even have dinner, pizza, char kuey tew with my favourite movie at the same time... kekekeke |
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jan 24 2007, 05:36 PM) Timothyy, Walau eh... such tough job... kekeke...I envy you. Char kuey teow with extra chilli and kerang (if you dare, extra "chee yau cha" fried pig skin.... while watching the latest blockbuster or cosying up to the significant other with a chick flick... priceless. Do not regret your panny AX100 purchase. From what I have seen you have one of the best 720p projectors available. Epson has issues which I will elaborate later once I get to see it in person. As such don't fret. If I may make a request... can you check for discoloration when your panny is projecting a white picture. You can use the function that provides the white background and cross hairs to help focus the projector. When I viewed the unit, there was a 2cm red band that ran up and down the left edge of the screen. Can you also check if there is misconvergence of the 3 lcd panels. Using the focusing images from the projector, walk right up to the screen and check if the cross hairs clearly occupies 1 pixel or merges into the next row of pixels. If so how many pixels. Thanks and Cheers OK... I will check later. |
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OK...
I post some pics here. AX100 Test Screen... I headache...  Notice the greenish bluish white on top? And reddish at bottom? Issit because of the lense prism? Any cure? What is wrong? And then, I notice my projector flickers.... you know whats the problem? A closer look... (for jasonlky)  Is this the red line you talking about? May be not... other than that, I dont see any red line at all. This post has been edited by timothyy: Jan 25 2007, 02:06 AM |
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QUOTE(jasonlky @ Jan 25 2007, 02:44 PM) Timothyy, thanks for checking it out and taking the pictures. Thanks for the info. At last I went to AVS and check others comment as well.Firstly the flicker is due to the eco mode that is used. You can do either of these 3 things: 1. Use Normal bulb mode all the time 2. Use normal bulb mode for the next 50-100 hrs then switch back to eco bulb mode 3. Get a firmware upgrade to v1.08 by the service center. Secondly, this show the colour uniformity issue that is similar to the red bar that I saw during my demo. Apparently nothing much you can do. The service center may beable to realign the lcd panels or something. But at present I do not think it should affect your normal viewing as it does not seem serious. B the way most LCDs have this issue to a certain extent.... panasonic has decidedly more of its share. If you notice it during bright scenes or scenes of the bright sky in a movie then its time to send it in for a service. Thirdly, I cannot tell from the pictures if there is a misconvergence of the panels. Not enuf resolution from the camera. If you want you can take a slose up pic of the lines in the center of the screen using the macro function. Else the you should visually check if the lines correcly occupy its pixel or it blurs into the pixles next to it. Dunno else how to explain. I will call up Panasonic and ask them about the color uniformity problem... But last night I watched X Men 3... It was wonderful. Kekekeke... Jason, I did what you mentioned, put the mode to Normal instead of Eco Mode and yup, the flicker is not there anymore. But this means problem. This means that the unit is not good. So... hope Panasonic service is good. |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Jan 26 2007, 10:47 AM) The flicker normally happen because of the lamp arc issue. Normally after watching in normal mode for few days will solved this problem. If still persist, you can ask them to change to new bulb. That's what I do with my BENQ when it happen. Call their service center and they ack as a problem. Wow, that will be good... then I should change every 100hrs... kakakka... after 10 changes = 1 free bulb...Anyway, I called them up this morning. Seems like they have not heard of the problem. No returns as of this moment.  May be like what in AVS forum ppl say, just enjoy the movie and forget about these small matter.I think for me, I want to make until Panny Service team hate me. Kakakaka... This post has been edited by timothyy: Jan 26 2007, 10:58 AM |
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Kekeke...
Oi... why u all so stingy one? Give out your prices la... kekeke.... Then we make it buyers' market instead of sellers' market... |
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Guys,
come see my write up on my project Projector... http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry10182469 |
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Jan 27 2007, 02:17 AM
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Wah... talk so long... I also lazy to read.
Its great that you found your personal liking. Like others as well, we all have budget constraint... as well as our own likings. As long as you are happy with yours, who cares about what other says... |
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QUOTE(jaya_pc87 @ Jan 27 2007, 03:31 AM) well for me its not only for watching movie only , my tv series & anime ( not astro) which are also HD quality and playing either console or pc game all together should be more than 8 hours a day min Get a plasma or LCD instead. I think the lifespan is longer for these compared to a projector. so on average i would be changing bulb once a year at least right? |
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If you look carefully on Sony projectors, they always either take out the Dynamic Contrast or the lumens... whichever is the bad black sheep, they will just ignore it so that you don't see their projector's weakness.
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