4. Limitations on Your Use of the Service.

A. You may only access the Service from within the territorial boundaries of the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore. Any access to your Account, whether by you or anyone else, from any location outside those countries is a breach of this Agreement.

We're not included. FYI breaching the ToS can and will result in a ban of the account.

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...=62153827&sid=1

wats up???
can explain more?

WTF! Then how? They putting up SEA server? LOL

well, when i signed up for my WOW account, i put it under an Australian address. So does this mean I can be counted as accessing it from Australia?

Wow, that sucks. I pay for my account like everyone else too. I hope they have some leniency for this rule.

No, because you are still connecting from here.

wow, this sucks man. Why the hell do they deem it illegal if WOW is accessed from other countries not in their TOS list? What are they even thinking? Shouldn't they be happy that more people from other countries other than those listed in their TOS are playing WOW? What they want to limit their customer numbers?

'World' of Warcraft

dah jadi

'United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore' of Warcraft



This post has been edited by AurorA|CS: Jan 10 2007, 06:02 PM

Aih china and korea no WoW?
Poor farmer nation and hardcore gamer nation.
Then why still selling WoW here?

no more China gold farmers? GG

So, whats the solution here...

I actually stay in the US but use a Malaysian proxy because I love lag, so sue me.

If you go to the asiasoft forums http://forums.asiasoft.net/ they claim to be distributing WoW in Singapore AND Malaysia. I was about to call them up and ask but then I realized that my phone is out of credit.

If Asiasoft does have an agreement with Blizzard to distribute WoW in Malaysia, then we should be safe. Either way Blizzard is looking into their ToS so keep your fingers crossed. As it is my friends who can stand the 1k ping are still playing and they haven't been banned or anything.

Best is still to get official word from Asiasoft. Will get on it.

Whats stated is really a misunderstanding to us. But claimed by Blizzard, we are under Singapore distribution. We are safe from being banned.

Most entertainment products, we get through Singapore and thats part of the reason why alot of companies list Singapore instead of Malaysia.

I wouldnt worry about it, if theyre stupid enough to ban 30% of their annual profits then i have nothing to say.

How sure are you...real worry now

Omg we got screwed
Now im not sure gonna purchase TBC expansion onot
N i just top up 6 months one shot..
OMG GG

But if they banned us from ISP perspective... we cant do anything...
Each country will have its IP range...
doesnt matter where you buy it from
but when you access from an "illegal" IP range, you will get boot
if the condition stated is true, we will get banned

So i think we still fine since we nvr get booted

This post has been edited by wallance13: Jan 10 2007, 07:10 PM

OMFG...!!!
NO WAY MAN...!!!


This post has been edited by chaichai: Jan 11 2007, 12:56 AM

This looks like we're screwed.

That clause or variations of it has been there since the game went live back in Nov 2004. I signed up on 15 Dec 2004 and am still playing.

No sense worrying about things that you cant control or effect. Either they cut us off or they dont. According to their ToS they can legally just cut us off. The question is whether they will ever crack down and actually enforce it.

Businesswise, Blizzard is huge enough now that they afford to be a snobbish prick and lose a small fraction of their 7.5 M subscribers, but will they? Those legal clauses were inserted by lawyers to cater for the possibility should it ever be necessary to cut off those accounts if they were not in their best interests.

But anybody with even a shred of common sense would realize that they would be doing the gaming world outside those very limited countries a huge disservice by screwing the people who buy their games - real gamers who have been behaving themselves and loyally paying subscriptions for the last 2+ years. I cannot believe Blizzard would be so dumb as to want to make themselves hated by gamers.

If it ever happens it wont be just us that will be screwed - US servicemen serving in foreign countries could also have their accounts cut off according to this very strict ToS. I'm sure they will be thrilled to be taking bullets for their country and get screwed by a US company in return.

This post has been edited by limsk: Jan 10 2007, 08:07 PM

damn right

So i guess we're stuck now.

This is the email I sent to Blizzard. Now let's pray for a speedy response. >.<

Nice one man...I'm waiting now

I believe we are listed along with Singapore. No worries unless you are playing from China I believe.

I talked to the customer support about my banning of account logged with a .cn host name resolve. Since then they tell me that malaysia WoW distribution is listed with Singapore.

IIRC, they have a press release about the Asia partnership for WoW distribution for the time card and game through Asiasoft stating about Malaysia and Singapore too.

But its best to get the latest cookie from oven from Linkz now since ToS changed.

better be safe than sorry in my opinion. besides with this change they'd kill any future gamers from our country to sign up for WoW.


This post has been edited by nocturnus: Jan 10 2007, 09:24 PM

Wait wait...first of all...did they change this ToS recently or it was stated there long long time ago?

recent ToS released by patch 2.0.3 =.=

.....i having a feeling that our country is in big trouble for wow....

I just think that Malaysians invite ourselves to be screwed by others. Look at the arrogance at which we deal with other countries. We think that the world needs Malaysia. Time to wake up... globalization is at our doorstep.

After we screw and criticize US policies for so many years, maybe this is their way of getting back at us.

i don't think we need to concern about that as long as none of us are getting ban for that ToS.

Let's not get too dramatic shall we?

I've had my account registered since November 2004, the month WoW was released. I got a cousin of mine to sign up my account for me in the United States, using some random address and random phone number. By now, my account has not been shut down or anything.(it's probably because i have never paid by credit card before). Should I change my contact info and address to my malaysian address, phone number etc.?

no point u change it...
address doesnt make any sense...
they can trace it by ur local IP address & where u from...


This post has been edited by chaichai: Jan 11 2007, 12:22 AM

if malaysia is same as spore..
if play on us server will get banned?
x fhm la.. lol

any singaporean...??
wondering, wat is sg gateway IP...??
& wat IP do they get there...??
if same, wouldnt need to worry so much...

This post has been edited by chaichai: Jan 11 2007, 12:55 AM

Still no official clarification from Blizzard about this matter?

lol u guys are funny...
(lets add more spice then )...

now u e-mail blizzard this forum..later easier for them just check the Malaysian WoW Registry Topic... then who play in us server just ban the id lor....
make it easier for them ..

better u all delete your post in Malaysian WoW Registry Topic fast... later kena ban because the TOS.

(ok la enuf spice )

Lol it will be pointless for asiasoft to distribute to malaysian if they are gonna get banned anyway.

Blizzard also wont endorse asiasoft to distribute in the first place.

Let start a plan or action: emigrate out of Malusia.

Now that is just plain stupid..... even for a great game such as wow...

Give up citizenship and waste around few Ks for migration fee just to play wow...

They wont ban us due to the fact we are under "Asiasoft" Distribution thats in singapore

You are reading too much into this, methinks. Blizzard is an entertainment company not a political party.

Besides, who really takes what Malaysian politicians say seriously? We ourselves sure don't and we live here. Its common knowledge that most politicians are dumbasses who arent competent enough to work at a real job and have to "raise issues" to make it look like they actually do anything.

This post has been edited by limsk: Jan 11 2007, 11:09 AM

It doesn't make sense. If so why are they distributing it in Asia at the first place.

If it is true, i don't think it would be even distributed in countries other than the ones stated. Why would the country's representative distributor risk their money, getting more complaints than incoming revenue. If it is generating more problem, don't think its even worth selling.

If they are really doing this, they seriously gonna effect their name and their games in the industry. No?

My personal take: Dont worry about it.

It's just a blanket clause in the ToS that you will find in a lot of legal documents to allow the company to take action without letting you sue them. Just a way of protecting their asses should it become necessary sometime in the future to close down accounts from other countries due to DOS attacks, mass hacking, rampant gold farming, whatever.

Those countries named are those that are supposed to play on US servers and which have traditionally strong government ties to the US. That clause is there because they feel that for other countries, they may not be able to take action via the local government channels so they have to put in a safety net to allow themselves to close accounts without legal reprisal.

If anything, it should serve to compel Malaysian players to conduct themselves decently online. Because in the event of a complaint against you, you can be kicked out immediately without much bother as stated in the ToS. Dont make yourselves a nuisance and all will be well.

If i were to reword the document to reflect what they are really saying, it would look like this (Uncle Lim's ToS for Dummies):

"A. Right now for US servers, we only distribute WOW to US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Singapore. Yeah we know any Ah Chong, Ramasamy or Ahmad can buy WOW from the internet. Since we have no distribution agreements with those ulu countries we don't really know how to control those buggers if a lot of subscribers turn out to be a nuisance and kacau our business. We dont really wanna kick people out but we reserve that right just to be safe and they cant sue us and our ass is covered legally."

For reference this is the original:
A. You may only access the Service from within the territorial boundaries of the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore. Any access to your Account, whether by you or anyone else, from any location outside those countries is a breach of this Agreement.


This post has been edited by limsk: Jan 11 2007, 11:40 AM

Guys dont worry about it. 2 years ago when WOW came out Malaysians arent spose to play in US servers but we did until today. Theres ppl from all over the world playing on US servers e.g Philippines,Mauritius,HK,Taiwan,Vietnam,Japan etc.

My a/c was created on Nov 2004 under an Australian address but ive changed it to a Malaysian address now. Blizzard knows there are ppl from other countries besides those stated in the TOS playing WOW on the US servers.

limsk

Nope i just created an account using a "Malaysian" Address. And they let me.

If you try using filipins or indon address it wont work. nither will japan and korea.

This means that we are eligible to play wow under singapore distribution.

RELAX GUYS EVERYTHINGS OKAY

http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...&sid=1&pageNo=1
updated by the threadstarter

1/10/10:00AM.
Great news! This change in the Terms of Use is specifically meant to stop abusers from harming the game and its mechanics because they have a new way of tracking these violators, and the change in the Terms of Use allows Blizzard to take action against them. Blizzard is not seeking abiding players outside of the region.

I almost forgot- There are no plans to allow transfer from US to Europe servers due to differences in hardware, network, and Authentication Keys.
Also, I have suggested for the Website to update the Terms of Use, and will be acknowledged shortly.
If you are planning to leave the area, it is always good to let the Account Administrators know so they don't think someone is compromising your account.

I felt so relieve now...i can do my work with peace now...

I was kidding about the last part. However unless you do live in a pond, governments have been known to have their paws in business dealings... more often that you think.

It'll be wise to keep an open ear and not be ignorant of your surroundings. If one day your comfort bubble happens to burst and you don't have contingency plans then it's too bad.

Anyways, let's close the issue and go back to topic.

If you have dealt with US people and US companies before (And I have), every single Terms and Conditions is placed there for a reason. Unlike Malaysia where we actually ignore the fine print, in the US fine print can actually get you in trouble. Blizzard is a US company based in the US, and we are paying for the services of a US game governed by US laws.

I do give you credit and concur that the ToS is there to protect themselves legally as well.

However, I believe that unless Malaysia is considered to be under Singapore's territorial boundaries, or if Blizzard intentionally chooses to close one eye, we will be okay.

Otherwise they can shut us down as they please and all the whining and crying in the world won't fix humpty dumpty ever again.

That's a fact, and the day we left clicked on "Agreed" we bind ourselves to it.




This post has been edited by darthbaboon: Jan 11 2007, 11:01 PM

This is mean to be as a joke.... actually its 50-50.

The next 50 being serious... think about it. You don't need to stuck with service company like TMNut. And more can be put in here....

kekekeke.....

If im not mistaken territorial boundaries are not the same as nation's boundaries. I believe this clause is meant for their distributor in Singapore which is authorized to distribute in this region.

So if all this time you have been accessing from Malaysia then its fine, as long as U dont plan to migrate to Aust and play from there.

dont worry la. if u check, they only mentioned

United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Singapore.

what, no china, japan, korea, middle east, afrika and europe???? that is perhaps 60% already of their market. i cant imagine if they really ban user accounts from this region. that will only invite massive ddos from angry farmers.

from what i understand, the TOC only apply for ppl which is outside of earth.

This post has been edited by nitrofang: Jan 13 2007, 05:10 PM

No worries at all mate. I have sent my tracert to chucks.support via email before and Blizzard never mentions about me unable to play. Only thing they mentioned is that our IP is not fully supported so lag should be expected during peak traffic.

U all so takut for wat??? lolx
I play FLYFF also while i purchase the points and use to buy some items from item mall.
However i still have abt 10k points over there and gpotato also claim might ban asia ip.
At first i was damn worried, but till now i am sure many ppl out there still playing FLYFF wat!
So same case la, BLIZZARD wont take such action as it might result to losing part of the profit ler!

anyway just my 2 cent.

Regards!

Patch 2.0.5 have change the ToU. Now everything is ok already.

bumped for great justice.