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 So you're interested in ARCHITECTURE?, An academic guide to become an Architect

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post Jun 9 2007, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 8 2007, 07:22 PM)
unfortunately, PhD is not equal to professional architect biggrin.gif. which i'm still not.

basically, doing a PhD is part of my ambition to become the greatest supervillain of all, a mad genius hellbent to take over singapore, thailand, brunei, indonesia and phillipines and combine them under my flag: malaysia raya!

ahem...

there are two main branch in virtually all professions: practice and academia. for architecture, taking the prof. ar. is clearly a path of practice, where prof. ar. is the highest achievement u can get. phd, on the other hand, is in the academia path, where the highest would be a professor, two notches above phd.

a doctorate holder in architecture means he is an expert in one particular field, and is one of a handful of experts in that area in the world. meaning, if u have a phd in interior lighting, it means that in this world, u are probably one out of 10 experts in interior lighting. imagine what that can do for u if u go into practice?

i'm pursuing a phd in architectural education. well, i cant really use this in practice, but from what i'm gathering now, if i could finish my current phd, future architecture schools will have to refer to me to open a new course, change their curriculum, expand their degrees etc. this goes for students as well. if they feel the school should change or expand to meet their needs, come see me, and i'll build u a case.

that's a glimpse of the value of phd.

so can a professional architect pursue a phd? ofcourse they can. having both would mean u would be the ultimate architectural expert! but that alone would take a huge chunk of ur life. degree alone is 5 years, part 3 would take between 3 to 5 years, phd also another 3 to 5 years. that's a total of almost 15 years! and to do them simultaneously is a virtual suicide biggrin.gif.

at the moment, i dont plan to go into practice yet. a glimpse of practice in the early days after graduation is enough to make me go into academia. call me cheesy, but the amount of corruption in the construction industry really goes against my beliefs...
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call me cheesy, but the amount of corruption in the construction industry really goes against my beliefs...

pm me if u dont wish public to know smile.gif

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Pls PM me too! i wud like to know more about that. smile.gif
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ok... this is strictly my own opinion. u may or may not agree with it. whatever it is, it shouldnt be a generalization of the profession, nor should it deter ur passion in the profession.

the construction industry is one of the easiest to be affected by corruption.

i. in order to obtain projects, architects cannot advertise. they are "recommended" through contacts, connections (read: cable) or by the previous works that u have done. this severely limits ur exposure to the public especially if u're just a noob architect. so what do u do? u "invest" on several characters, mainly politicians or businessmen.

ii. contractors gain construction projects from architects. not many architect firms have their own in-house contractors. so to obtain projects, the contractors have to "invest" in architects.

iii. same goes to town planners, landscape architects, interior designers, model makers etc. "investment" is the key.

iv. this issue extends to the local authorities as well. to endorse a project quickly and with less hassle, it's best if u already had an investment on some prominent characters in the authorities.

note that i use "investment". this can be virtually anything. sometimes it involves a series of favours. mostly it doesnt even involve money, so it's hard to track. but those fluent in the game knows about it.

i'm not a very religious person, but i try to maintain my integrity as i can. my bosses also had similar problems, but they play the game more often than not.
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coool...no wonder why i want to be architect haha tongue.gif
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nothing in this world comes clean , ok ....

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I've a friend (housemate) that just got accepted by the AA o.O
He flew all the way to london to attend the interviews and he got it! I was like wtf!! You fly all the way to the uk just to sit for the interviews, what if you didn't get it? That would be such a waste of $$ =/
But then, his father is in the architecture line so no problem for him i guess. I envy him! Lol. I'm planning to take up this course, but i'm still keeping my options open for accountancy.

Can anyone give me the pros and cons over accountancy?

I personally have done my homework, so i'll list it down here. Anyone who wants to help me choose archi over accountancy can do so here biggrin.gif

Archi :

Pros

-More exciting
-Less common (i do NOT like common things, same goes for a career)
-I think i'd be very satisfied to work as an architect, so job satisfaction is good to go smile.gif

Cons

-Its a looong course. Longer than most courses of study.. to get a part II, its like 5 years =/
-Its a very hard course. Thats what i heard... some people tell me its so hard you'll be studying and doing projects all day long until 3 am and wake up again just to continue studying. No social life AT ALL =/ that wouldn't do for me really.. i'm an outgoing kinda guy.
-If economy goes down, i'll go down too sleep.gif right? =((

Edit : Oh yeah, please note that i'm comparing it with accountancy (chartered accountant or management accountant for me if i'm going into accountancy)

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QUOTE(Grimm @ Jun 12 2007, 12:59 PM)
Can anyone give me the pros and cons over accountancy? I personally have done my homework, so i'll list it down here. Anyone who wants to help me choose archi over accountancy can do so here biggrin.gif


Archi :

Pros

i. More exciting

yes, i'm pretty sure it's more exciting then accountancy, both work and professional career.

ii. Less common (i do NOT like common things, same goes for a career)

this is true also. even if u're an architect in a group of architect, u will establish urself as a different architect. biggrin.gif

iii. I think i'd be very satisfied to work as an architect, so job satisfaction is good to go smile.gif

i'd say this is true, but i'm sure same thing can be applied to accountants.

iv. Architects handle their own projects.

once u've established urself in an office, it's often that u'll be given a project to handle on ur own, with subordinates to work under u. most of my friends was trusted a project by their bosses with a year of working. i'm pretty sure u wont be doing that as an accountant.



Cons

i. Its a looong course. Longer than most courses of study.. to get a part II, its like 5 years =/

yes. medicine is the only course longer than architecture.

ii. Its a very hard course. Thats what i heard... some people tell me its so hard you'll be studying and doing projects all day long until 3 am and wake up again just to continue studying. No social life AT ALL =/ that wouldn't do for me really.. i'm an outgoing kinda guy.

u wont be sleeping, but not bcoz u're studying. u'll be developing ur project(s), but it's a different kind of studying. have u built ur own tamiya model/miniatures? it's like that. u'll be doing (not studying) the designs, with books as references and source of ideas (no manual like tamiya laaa).

u'll be doing lots of this "learning by doing" thingy. have u heard about problem-based learning (PBL) that is supposedly the most recent advancement in education? architecture has been doing that since 1800s. we are the ultimate problem-based learners biggrin.gif

-If economy goes down, i'll go down too sleep.gif right? =((

yup. u'll go down. but i wont muhahahahaha!



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my dad wish me to go to singapore to study, and i told him that i want to take architecture in the future. then i told him i didnt apply for asean scholarship, and he scolded me -.-

i'm in dilemma the path to take after my spm (taking spm this year)

my family is quite ok and may afford me to study locally/singapore but no other countries >.<

as i dont really like matriculation (from what my teacher n seniors say, matriculation is lower standard compared to STPM/a-level) and i really hope/like to study abroad XD

in my mind these are the path i may take, or you may suggest me more?

1. spm -> alevel in singapore -> architecture part1 and 2 in NUS (national university of singapore

2. spm -> alevel locally (taylor?) -> architecture part 1 n 2 in NUS

3. spm -> alevel in australia -> architecture part1 n 2 in University of Technology Sydney

4. spm -> stpm -> UTM

5. spm -> foundation in UTM -> UTM


anyone here is taking architecture in australia? i wonder how is the living cost in aus compared to singapore? i think the currency exchange is about the same, so perhaps australia is good for my mid-end family also right?

what say you?


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option 5 is not there anymore. UTM only takes STPM for degree, or SPM for diploma.

other than that, ur options seem good enough. although there are 7 other schools in australia (option 3), so why pick sydney? not that it's not good, but i'm just wondering the choice that u pick.
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QUOTE(lazo @ Jun 12 2007, 10:45 PM)
my dad wish me to go to singapore to study, and i told him that i want to take architecture in the future. then i told him i didnt apply for asean scholarship, and he scolded me -.-

i'm in dilemma the path to take after my spm (taking spm this year)

my family is quite ok and may afford me to study locally/singapore but no other countries >.<

as i dont really like matriculation (from what my teacher n seniors say, matriculation is lower standard compared to STPM/a-level) and i really hope/like to study abroad XD

in my mind these are the path i may take, or you may suggest me more?

1. spm -> alevel in singapore -> architecture part1 and 2 in NUS (national university of singapore

2. spm -> alevel locally (taylor?) -> architecture part 1 n 2 in NUS

3. spm -> alevel in australia -> architecture part1 n 2 in University of Technology Sydney

4. spm -> stpm -> UTM

5. spm -> foundation in UTM -> UTM
anyone here is taking architecture in australia? i wonder how is the living cost in aus compared to singapore? i think the currency exchange is about the same, so perhaps australia is good for my mid-end family also right?

what say you?
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Actually with STPM qualification, you can also go to NUS. smile.gif
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and i would like to congratulate LeoDaVincci that he got the Admission to NUS !
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and i thought u said he rejected the offer?
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 12 2007, 11:26 PM)
option 5 is not there anymore. UTM only takes STPM for degree, or SPM for diploma.

other than that, ur options seem good enough. although there are 7 other schools in australia (option 3), so why pick sydney? not that it's not good, but i'm just wondering the choice that u pick.
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Er, this is a good question. perhaps UTS is the only university i know in australia xD i'm wondering the living cost in aus >.<

QUOTE(LeoDaVinci @ Jun 13 2007, 12:30 AM)
Actually with STPM qualification, you can also go to NUS.  smile.gif
stpm science is in malay or english?

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2 more options that i missed up yesterday.

6. spm -> alevel locally (taylor - my teachers recommend me for taylor) -> australia part1 n 2

7. spm -> polytechnic (singapore) -> NUS


if i'm not wrong singapore only have 1 poly and 1 university offering architecture course >_<


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if u refer this list, u'll have some idea of how "high" university of sydney's architecture course ranked. however, dont take it too literally, the ranking is used as a guide, no more.

and yes, there are only 2 schools offering architecture in singapore, 1 poly and 1 univ.
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LUCT --- >
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University of Melbourne 6(score)

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QUOTE(BridgestoneRE711 @ Jun 13 2007, 12:42 AM)
and i would like to congratulate LeoDaVincci that he got the Admission to NUS !
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Haha. Paiseh.


QUOTE(europology @ Jun 13 2007, 02:23 AM)
and i thought u said he rejected the offer?
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No. I've accepted the offer. But I'll have to see my local U application outcome then decide whether to go to NUS or not, since NUS only starts in August. smile.gif

BTW, I heard that local U result is going to be released on 15th June huh? Because PTPTN loan can be applied online starting from 15th June wor... hmm.gif


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QUOTE(lazo @ Jun 13 2007, 06:34 AM)
Er, this is a good question. perhaps UTS is the only university i know in australia xD i'm wondering the living cost in aus >.<
stpm science is in malay or english?

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2 more options that i missed up yesterday.

6. spm -> alevel locally (taylor - my teachers recommend me for taylor) -> australia part1 n 2

7. spm -> polytechnic (singapore) -> NUS
if i'm not wrong singapore only have 1 poly and 1 university offering architecture course >_<
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If you're in Science stream, then all the subjects will be in English except Pengajian Am (General Paper). You can refer to NUS website to learn more about the requirements.
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Leodavinci,

you sit for STPM last year? how is your STPM result? how do you apply for NUS?

i sent email to NUS people before and they say there are higher chance of intake by a-level from singapore.

well, but i think if my result is geng, so there isnt much to worry about the intake right?

i not sure what subject are available for stpm (didnt know much about stpm) but CAL i can choose the best "combo" for architecture - physic maths chemistry/further maths


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congratulations Leo, its not easy to enter NUS, but i believe you'll be in a school wif lots of better students and tougher competition.

to be honest, I rather you take up NUS than any other local uni offer you might receive. The exposure is better for u smile.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 13 2007, 12:26 AM)
option 5 is not there anymore. UTM only takes STPM for degree, or SPM for diploma.

other than that, ur options seem good enough. although there are 7 other schools in australia (option 3), so why pick sydney? not that it's not good, but i'm just wondering the choice that u pick.
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i agree with you boss, why sydney ..damn freaking expensive thr..
got other like rmit, utas and go8 uni...as long one is go8 uni ..


Added on June 13, 2007, 10:47 pm
QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 12 2007, 07:07 PM)
Archi :

Pros

i. More exciting

yes, i'm pretty sure it's more exciting then accountancy, both work and professional career.

ii. Less common (i do NOT like common things, same goes for a career)

this is true also. even if u're an architect in a group of architect, u will establish urself as a different architect. biggrin.gif

iii. I think i'd be very satisfied to work as an architect, so job satisfaction is good to go smile.gif

i'd say this is true, but i'm sure same thing can be applied to accountants.

iv. Architects handle their own projects.

once u've established urself in an office, it's often that u'll be given a project to handle on ur own, with subordinates to work under u. most of my friends was trusted a project by their bosses with a year of working. i'm pretty sure u wont be doing that as an accountant.
Cons

i. Its a looong course. Longer than most courses of study.. to get a part II, its like 5 years =/

yes. medicine is the only course longer than architecture.

ii. Its a very hard course. Thats what i heard... some people tell me its so hard you'll be studying and doing projects all day long until 3 am and wake up again just to continue studying. No social life AT ALL =/ that wouldn't do for me really.. i'm an outgoing kinda guy.

u wont be sleeping, but not bcoz u're studying. u'll be developing ur project(s), but it's a different kind of studying. have u built ur own tamiya model/miniatures? it's like that. u'll be doing (not studying) the designs, with books as references and source of ideas (no manual like tamiya laaa).

u'll be doing lots of this "learning by doing" thingy. have u heard about problem-based learning (PBL) that is supposedly the most recent advancement in education? architecture has been doing that since 1800s. we are the ultimate problem-based learners biggrin.gif

-[b]If economy goes down, i'll go down too sleep.gif right? =((


yup. u'll go down. but i wont muhahahahaha![/B]
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boss, who go down..acoountant or architect?


This post has been edited by KVReninem: Jun 13 2007, 10:48 PM
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post Jun 14 2007, 01:36 AM

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Architect lah. Practicing architects will go down, he's in the education line wont affect him. I guess thats what he means =)) Hmm, so med is the only course longer than that eh? I'll have to decide between the two soon, as i just finished my A Levels today. Decisions decisions decisions!!

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