why dont u share with us ur answer first? then we can discuss even better

it's part of architecture that is known as urban design. u will learn this quite late in architecture, and u can specialize into urban design during ur masters. urban designers are a close relative to architects rather than town planners. town planners have minimal design ability, but they have firm understanding on (guess what?) town and regional planning.

so combine both the design ability of an architect and the town planning ability, u'll get the urban designer. so most of ur preferences (except building a skyscrapping modern shopping complex) is pretty much infrastructures - the very playground of urban designers.

note that there are no courses offering urban design in undergraduate level in the world. u either go through town planning or architecture.

on the other hand, the skywalk over grand canyon is architectural engineering; while the skyscraper shopping complex is still architecture.

haha
well
i dnt knw~sigh

i told the inteviewer
~some sort using their(community) material
~do what they want;love but creating new things that change their habit

something like that la

Wah, i just saw an undergraduate and graduate programme in NUS, namely

- B.Sc. (Building) (Hons.)
- MASTER OF SCIENCE (BUILDING SCIENCE)

I think this course suits me more o_O

argh, i'm not an architect anymore =.=

lazo, u seem to be interested in the art of creating: design. building courses dont do design, they do construction technologies. means, architects design, builders build. builders (also known as contractors: eg phua chu kang) dont always get credited for designing beautiful buildings, dynamic structures or long span bridges. it's always credited by the designers, namely architects or engineers.

No no,

I think i'm more interest in those building technology instead of designing.

When building a bridge or a shopping complex, we need both architect and the building technology, isn't it? architect can design the outlook and interior, while the technology makes the building become more high class and high end.

I think i'm the latter one =D

I can research the technology about making the world tallest lift, design the most efficient highway (so no more traffic jam in malaysia XD), blablabla.

Any idea what job prospect will the latter option offers me after my graduation?

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Added on June 16, 2007, 6:33 amAdd on : look at the document file i linked in the above Master of Building. The modules in the new syllabus really interest me so much!

This post has been edited by lazo: Jun 16 2007, 06:33 AM

builders and building specialists are generally the same family, but different level of expertise. builders, otherwise commonly known as contractors, are capable of constructing buildings according to plan. as we all know, there are different classes of contractors, from A to F. each has different level of expertise and capabilities, A being the most capable and specialized, F is the most common.

specialists are usually classes D and above, and non specialists are E and F, which are abundant in msia.

lets take KLCC for example. bcoz of the sheer height of building, they would require tall structure specialists, which consists of steel engineers and builders. the architects work with the engineers to design the steel structures and how it should be constructed, and later the engineers will work together with the builders to actually construct the structures.

u cant just get any building contractor to build the steel structures, u'd need specialists. this is where ur degree comes in. similarly, ur masters degree will give u more specialization: in this case building integrated technologies. specialists may become part of the design team, but their main function is to actually build it.

i wouldnt want some guy with less than adequate SPM to actually build my megastructure . look what happened to the ceilings of some buildings!

Ahaha, well said. was laughing at your last sentence XD

Perhaps i can work with you in the future if my plans and paths work

let me bring up another case, and pls elaborate about the job prospect for me if possible.

the SMART tunnel in KL, which meant to control flash flood and also for motorcars. this tunnel requires both the technology and the great design, isnt it? in most cases, specialist and architects are the most important in a project and could not progress without either 1 party, yea?

Hehe, i think i am more to be a specialist! XD

Well, as you mentioned about A-F level in the post, and A-C level is those master/degree honors; and E, F group are those people working on the work site. Those higher level group most of the time just sit in the office to plans and discussing projects with architects and give order to those lower group to work it out, is it like that? and those higher level will go to the work site to investigate the progress from time to time.

hmm. i like that kind of job xD

This post has been edited by lazo: Jun 16 2007, 08:28 PM

for projects such as the SMART tunnel in KL, architects are not involved. it is a project that is run almost entirely by engineers. even so, specialists will work with the engineers to construct the tunnel and assist in the project according to each specialists' area of expertise.


contractor classes arent depending on what qualifications u have, but more on job descriptions. according to malaysian treasury, the classes are defined as:



contractor classes depends on what project they could take, which is where their area of specialization are. getting a degree doesnt mean u become a class C contractor, but it depends on ur capabilities in ur specific area of work. if u have a masters in building technologies, for sure u wouldnt want to work as a class F contractor, whom work mainly consists of basic house construction.

so u would wanna work as a class C and above, bcoz most projects that require ur expertise would probably be in those 3 classes.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Jun 16 2007, 08:58 PM

What about building bridges? not sure whether you went to penang before or not, but penang bridge is one of the great project few years ago (and it is impressive isnt it?) and now the bridge company is going to expand the 2lane bridge into 3lane bridge.

once before i cross the penang bridge and i saw they pumping water out from the seabed to allow sement to dry and then they do the piling work. it is so impressive and amazing! i wonder these kind of project requires what category of human resources? architects/specialist/engineers?

besides, since you say that SMART is more about engineers and specialist instead of architect, what is about the engineers? which courses/programmes lead to the engineers in the end?

what about projects like the grand canyon skywalk?

despite drawing designs of the building, do architects consider what material/technology to use for a certain project?

the building in Dubai also very pro. if i'm not wrong, most of the land in Dubai are filled from seawater. i believe that this ground filling (or what terms you call this?) is more on technology/specialist right (yea undoubtedly architecture design the talltall building xD)?

all above are civil engineering = kejuruteraan awam. this is one of the most popular course in malaysia, almost every university has it. from bridges to sky scrapers to SMART tunnel, all are civil engineers who're mostly specialized into their areas. u can go into specializations with ur masters in civil engineering.


on architects: one thing u need to understand is architect's job is not to draw what they design. drawing is the technical assistants' job, not the architect. the architect designs from the spaces to circulations to structures to materials and even what colour ur door knob would be. everything is decided by the architect as part of his design scheme.

just look at ur house. the architect decides how it looks like, the comfortability, accessibility, security, ventilation, spatial usage and even which way u're facing when u pee. that's the architect's job.


Dubai's Burj tower is built on reclaimed land off the shore. the land reclamation is the civil engineers job. u dont really need to specialize for this. the rest of the building is designed by the architect.

Oh my gosh! I've been accepted into USM Architecture. Very very glad!

I got UTM Architecture. OMG. First choice!

So UTM or NUS?

So very difficult for me to make decision now. Haih. BTW, congratz for getting USM Architecture! Really glad for those who got it!

BTW, Bridgestone got UTM...

Wow! Glad to hear that!!! He must be freaking happy now. Haha! We had our interview together last time de...

Of cos he is feeling so syok now. I'm sure he's now busy spreading the news.

fu-yoh ... europology got it . ...
hmm ... i am happy to get utm .. but the problem is johor ... got ppl got raped there ... damn ... be safe be safe .