Thanks for that.
I'll wait for more reviews on the Avocado 24 and then make my decision. See whether it's worth the additional 10 USD or so.

Many reasons...

Dying trend
Ppl quit vape and went back to cigarettes
Ppl managed to quit cigs with vape, then quit vaping
We've been under siege by govt

and here's one of the latest developments: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...ced-vape-liquid

that suck, this is the most effective alternative from quitting cigarettes. I had stopped smoking for like 6 month now.

Apa engkorang vape harini ?
Ps orion rm300 mari beli 😋

The writing was on the wall many months ago. That's why I had accelerated my schedule to get to zero nic. No regrets.

Because so many online seller throw price and so many buyers always looking for cheap cheap regardless quality. It become somewhat meaningless with cost of operation. I my self only went like twice to a vape shop this year comparing last year every month 3-4 times reloading juices.

We've been "under siege" for a while now... so much so that it actually became a "trend" to vape to stick it up to the Gomen.

Unfortunately, these "trend followers" are also often what Abam Subra called "dual-users" so when the going got tougher, they just went back to their cigs.

So, lesser demand... lesser supply. Plus with all the raiding going around...

However, like everything else in Malaysia there are always "ways" to stay in business. Though these "ways" are often only affordable to the bigger, more well off and more influential vape shops.

I mean, there are even worse "vice shops" everywhere in Malaysia and they stay open fine lol.

Personally, as much as I like buying stuff online, there is just something about being able to hang out and chat at a good vape shop that makes you feel warm inside. So yeah, I'm hoping that some shops do survive, at least.

Or better, Malaysia adopts a governmental stance on vaping that is NOT like the US or EU (carpet bans and ridiculous restrictions)... but that's not where the money is at so I'm not particularly confident that this will happen.

If everything does die off, there will always be Abam Fastek and the Undertable Market.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 13 2016, 01:10 AM

Hi there. NAKED vape liquid is brand new goes into market. Bringing freshly and fruity mint to everyone. Cheers.

Thanks for sharing but I heard fastech isnt fast at all. I cant stand waitng :/

Ill go look in ace electronic tomorrow

I was about to reduce my juices price just for ppl in this thread. Nobody buys from me anymore. Well maybe one or two bottles. Wth.( I dont set the price. My friend does coz he owns the business.) Now i feel bad to reduce price. How la now. Even if reducing i dont think the sale is going to be as much. Bummer.

Im buying for myself like a lot lately. Probably like you said there are people (esp online) are throwing away price. Offline also, as i mentioned before in front Tesco Ampang. US juice are selling cheap. I wonder how theyre making money. Positively thinking, might be those shops that had to close down and reducing stocks. Bad for sellers good for buyers i guess.

Good thing is, people (like myself) are buying more local "premium" juices at better price. Somehow i think its good for local market. And DIY juices too.

Oh well, i probably dont know what im talking about. But managed to school a couple of my colleagues to vape instead of smoke. Im happy with that. I dont make money off them, just glad to switch them to something less harmful. Any of you guys do this?

so.....me diy-ing is illegal lor? hehe

at times like this, sellers must presevere. there's nothing else we can do except wait regulations (if it's going to happen). But definitely not like what the FDA is doing right now. Mountain Oak also sent an email out yesterday to ask everyone to help fight against FDA. I guess the one thing vapers have to keep in mind is that vaping is going to cause inflamation of the lungs which is definitely bad. It's not 100% safe so do things moderately. Imagine if the whole world's vape industry do collapse, how it'll affect the world's economy..

In regards to economy, If people stop vaping, they will kill obsession or time with something else. One replaces another, people will still spend their money on something to perform certain activity, just that it won't be going into someone's pocket who's living the joy from vaping. sure who's into vape business will not be happy at all but they should have already seen this coming since the days ministry of health said to regulate it all. With the high profit margin being put into the business, they have achieved what other products selling needs twice or thrice to hit the same profitability.

Economy will sustain itself. Just where the current flows will change.

This post has been edited by pluginbaby: May 13 2016, 08:11 AM

I have been avoiding health reports on vaping since you know why. Maybe i shouldnt as much. I know vaping is not safest bet. Im curious too on how bad it is. So any reliable-nontoless-propaganda detailed articles regarding this lung inflammation thing?

This post has been edited by Hamsom: May 13 2016, 09:54 AM

It's probably blown out of proportion like everything else lol. Anything you breathe that isn't pure air causes inflammation of the lungs to a certain extent pun.

If not I'll probably see more news about the UK Surgeon General reversing (or at least revising) his stance on his endorsement of Vaping... but as such I haven't.

As always, I can be wrong though.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 13 2016, 11:11 AM

The only solution is killing off supplier access to the "common" resellers. Will only happens when the regulation starts, depending on how strict or fudged up like whats happening somewhere in puteh land.
We all know where to get and how to get cheaply now dont we
As far as the current business owners, they have to evolve and adapt their business model.

For your side, throw ur stock at shopee. upload at least 10 products. They will contact you to provide you offers and promo codes for your business like how joe/alex getting their goodies(for those who is wondering how they can afford discounts applied on RM25 juice lel). Also there is FOC shipping where shopee will refund you back as seller if its done properly according to their terms (not sure if u can get if u do now la their offer only until end of month)

ye now business vape sangat teruk. last year (2015) very masyuk one. my shop usually got around 3k on weekdays and around 5k on weekend. but now noly 400 or 500 per day. Last week got one day only ppl come recoil. 5x4 = RM20 only. tutup kedai la tak lama lagi

Recoil RM 20 also kene complain. Upstairs do free la. RM 5 la.

Later glass pecah, ask you take responsibility

I guess throwing prices are part of adapting?

As for shopee they did call me for promo but i was in a meeting. Told them to email me. Then that was it. They never got back to me. I texted the guy but didnt response. I got the free pos promo though.

Hmmm...

Throwing price because easy access to stock and want to make quick buck yo