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post Mar 19 2016, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Mar 19 2016, 01:36 AM)
ahh yes...
-check the back spare tyre area for signs of rear collisions (in event of a bad accident, very difficult to repair this...
-check tyre age
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Well the car I am looking it is indeed 9 years old (2007 model).

So perhaps IF no prts have changed in that time, it could mean two things:

1. It still has all original things in it.

2. Because they have been there for so long, what if I buy and then suddenly soon I have to change them? :'(


I'm gna go for test drive and checking like in 2 hours.. nervous a bit haha
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post Mar 19 2016, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 19 2016, 10:36 AM)
Well the car I am looking it is indeed 9 years old (2007 model).

So perhaps IF no prts have changed in that time, it could mean two things:

1. It still has all original things in it.

2. Because they have been there for so long, what if I buy and then suddenly soon I have to change them? :'(
I'm gna go for test drive and checking like in 2 hours.. nervous a bit haha
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so, hows the car??
if things have been replaced with original things then i guess thats good, car has been maintained accordingly
if things have been modified, it really depends on what it is, the quality of the work and what part (sometimes, original is better) (*for example, an added atf cooler is usually a good mod)
if things have not been replaced, it might need replacing soon, adds cost (mountings, timing belt)
sometimes things are replaced to solve a problem, might be an underlying problem (which may or may not be solved, there is always a risk buying 2nd hand cars though in u case, its not an extremely old car so should be fine)
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post Mar 19 2016, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Mar 19 2016, 06:12 PM)
so, hows the car??
if things have been replaced with original things then i guess thats good, car has been maintained accordingly
if things have been modified, it really depends on what it is, the quality of the work and what part (sometimes, original is better) (*for example, an added atf cooler is usually a good mod)
if things have not been replaced, it might need replacing soon, adds cost (mountings, timing belt)
sometimes things are replaced to solve a problem, might be an underlying problem (which may or may not be solved, there is always a risk buying 2nd hand cars though in u case, its not an extremely old car so should be fine)
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Ok so I saw the car. Turns out, it was not an h-line after all. loool. tongue.gif The advertisement was not accurate and when I checked for the h-line only things, none of them were present, so it was an m-line 2006. For the price of 25k, an m-line 10 year old car suddenly was not worth it for me. When I checked the insides thoroughly (based on ur awesome list), even the insides some areas look pretty old and all; no wonder though coz its 10 year old car.

Thankfully the dealer also admit its an m-line and not h-line. I was glad he admit his mistake.

So after I was not interested in it at all, the dealer showed me another neo. This one is a 2010 model. definitely h-line (I checked), and has everything in MUCH better condition, as well as ofcourse the cps campro engine. smile.gif Additionally it comes with full r3 body kit. Mileage is around 53k, so that is also good, and it being 2010, its a newer car. The condition was so good, it was as good as new in many area, incl under the hood.
The price for this is 35500RM (OTR). I have checked online and neos with similar specs incl r3 body kit are going for similar or higher price.

I took 2 friends with me, whose car knowledge is way better than mine. They approve of it too.

So I guess I might be going for that one. Gona ponder over it for a day or 2 more and then decide for sure. biggrin.gif


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post Mar 19 2016, 06:55 PM

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Also, any one here have experience with Satria Neo H-Line CPS Model? Any thoughts or numbers on the FC?
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post Mar 19 2016, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 19 2016, 06:14 PM)
Ok so I saw the car. Turns out, it was not an h-line after all. loool. tongue.gif The advertisement was not accurate and when I checked for the h-line only things, none of them were present, so it was an m-line 2006. For the price of 25k, an m-line 10 year old car suddenly was not worth it for me. When I checked the insides thoroughly (based on ur awesome list), even the insides some areas look pretty old and all; no wonder though coz its 10 year old car.

Thankfully the dealer also admit its an m-line and not h-line. I was glad he admit his mistake.

So after I was not interested in it at all, the dealer showed me another neo. This one is a 2010 model. definitely h-line (I checked), and has everything in MUCH better condition, as well as ofcourse the cps campro engine. smile.gif Additionally it comes with full r3 body kit. Mileage is around 53k, so that is also good, and it being 2010, its a newer car. The condition was so good, it was as good as new in many area, incl under the hood.
The price for this is 35500RM (OTR). I have checked online and neos with similar specs incl r3 body kit are going for similar or higher price.

I took 2 friends with me, whose car knowledge is way better than mine. They approve of it too.

So I guess I might be going for that one. Gona ponder over it for a day or 2 more and then decide for sure. biggrin.gif
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whoa... budget blown ...... before you decide... i still think you shoud join the neo club... ask if anyone wants to let go of one... lots of these car lovers take really good care of the cars...
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post Mar 19 2016, 07:41 PM

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ohh ya... fc is on the higher side, but really depends on your foot, the mods (mods = makan more petrol and sometimes hp goes down if an idiot did it)

**personally feel that you can get a decent car for 30k+otr if you get it from an owner, asked a friend, and he said, shops will only pay around 25k for a 09 cps

-just some poison, toobad its in johor though (and this should have been a manual car!)
http://www.mudah.my/2011+Proton+Satria+Neo...er-44800679.htm

**dont be in a rush to buy a car, take your time, good deals will appear to those who are patient!
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post Mar 19 2016, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Mar 19 2016, 08:41 PM)
ohh ya... fc is on the higher side, but really depends on your foot, the mods (mods = makan more petrol and sometimes hp goes down if an idiot did it)

**personally feel that you can get a decent car for 30k+otr if you get it from an owner, asked a friend, and he said, shops will only pay around 25k for a 09 cps

-just some poison, toobad its in johor though (and this should have been a manual car!)
http://www.mudah.my/2011+Proton+Satria+Neo...er-44800679.htm

**dont be in a rush to buy a car, take your time, good deals will appear to those who are patient!
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Can you get me the link to the neo club? Is it in lowyat forum?

The car I saw had no other engine mods done..so that would be stock and nice. the exterior is fully r3. interior is really new-ish. (well maintained)

The Johor car you showed was amazing! The price would be around same as mine I think. haha.
Also, I can't really buy from an owner easily as I am foreigner, and am limited in my budget to suddenly pay a huge amount or even a huge d/p.Buying through a dealer will gimme the benefit of some flexible loan options and so on. I would be buying this particular one on a 7 yr loan (if I am getting it), so the amount per month I have to let go is in my budget atm. The benefit also is that its a 2010 car, so a bit newer. Well those are the pros in this deal I guess.

I looked around on mudah, and the best deal I got for the same car, is my own dealer lol. There was another dealer too, selling the same model, but his OTR price was higher.


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post Mar 19 2016, 10:28 PM

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Hehe remember to try negotiate on the price, the satria neo club is on fb, there are a few, I u can just simply apply to join, then just ask
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post Mar 21 2016, 10:30 PM

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Sold mine 6 months ago for rm27.5k to a direct seller. The used car only wanted to take it fo rm 23k.
Mine was 2010 cps / auto. It only came with white or black that time. Hope this is some figures for u to gauge with.

Great car, good handling, fuel consumption was ard 350km per full tank for ron95. 50% highway. Sound proofing wasnt great.
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post Mar 21 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ladiesman217 @ Mar 21 2016, 10:30 PM)
Sold mine 6 months ago for rm27.5k to a direct seller. The used car only wanted to take it fo rm 23k.
Mine was 2010 cps / auto.  It only came with white or black that time. Hope this is some figures for u to gauge with.

Great car, good handling, fuel consumption was ard 350km per full tank for ron95. 50% highway. Sound proofing wasnt great.
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whoa... so little?? they actually make quite abit selling these cars.....
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post Mar 22 2016, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 18 2016, 12:19 PM)
Wow, that was an amazing breakdown of things!
You know, apart from the owner model, the other 2 I had looked into before hehe. I did not pay any attention to the 2012 model as it was already overbudget.

But the other one, the info seems ok for an H-Line.

The thing is this: ALL neo cars have campro engine. Even the pre 2009 ones and the post 2009 ones. The only difference is, Post 2009, H-Line only, has a difference campro engine, which is the CPS. Campro engine is of two types, DOHC and CPS. 2006-end all models of b and m line have dohc. 2006 till 2009 h-line also have dohc, and 2009++ h-line have the CPS. So if any dealer mention campro engine, that is ok. Only thing I know is that the CPS one is only 2009 or above in h-line.
Regarding dealers, the only thing I absolutely hate is that the sites never give the OTR price. Whats given is the car price only. Later when you go to them and ask, they will give you OTR price which is usually more than listed price on site. Besides that, whatever specs they write, is the SAME for all their cars, specially things like "100% good condition gear box, 100% good condition tires".. etc. I have seen many dealers, incl mine, to just copy paste these things and paste it in all their Ads lol. tongue.gif

So that is why I was asking here things like how to tell the h-line apart, and other characteristics. So I know what the dealer is offerring, I have seen the car, love it, and now I will be going with a friend and test drivign it, and will check on important things, like proof of h-line, and things under the hood in good condition, tires etc. Might also take my mechanic to personally check the car, my dealer allowed that. Just need to convince my mechanic, as I do not trust others so cant take them, and mine is hard to convince :'( lol

Also I read on paultan that airbags (2 of them) are also on ALL h-line models, pre and post 2009.

The one I am planning to get, is a version with those red leather seats. (black and red). But its pre-2009. In the paul tan website, for the CPS review they showed those seats, but mine being 2009 below, cant be cps, but I have those seats. So either the previous owner did that, or my dealer is mistaken and maybe it has cps? I hope its the second one personally. wink.gif Also I forgot, how can one tell the difference between CPS and DOHC engine? Any idea?

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Apart from the red valve cover it have higher hp..125 vs 110hp...
Perhaps test drive could tell them apart..

Pre 2009 is H line...no cps bodykit...
CPS is post 2009...red black leather + bodykit + rims + cps engine..


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post Mar 22 2016, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Mar 21 2016, 10:47 PM)
whoa... so little?? they actually make quite abit selling these cars.....
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Yea man, looks like their margin is at least 10k. At the end I found a buyer who bought the car for his son. Great car I must say. Just that it's time to move on...
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post Mar 27 2016, 09:00 PM

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I am like days away from getting my Satria Neo CPS auto 2010, with full R3 bodykit. biggrin.gif

I was wondering, is there any place I could get a softcopy of the owner's manual that comes with the car? Since this is second hand, pretty sure it does not come with the owner's manual. So was wondering if there is a copy of it somewhere online?

Thanks
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post Mar 28 2016, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 27 2016, 09:00 PM)
I am like days away from getting my Satria Neo CPS auto 2010, with full R3 bodykit. biggrin.gif

I was wondering, is there any place I could get a softcopy of the owner's manual that comes with the car? Since this is second hand, pretty sure it does not come with the owner's manual. So was wondering if there is a copy of it somewhere online?

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rclxms.gif congrats!! how much did you pay for it??

bout the manuals, if u cant find em online... u can try join the satria neo club, they might know where to get them
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look for CPS model and above, anything less is a bit boring.. hehe

Btw, I have one unit of Works air filter for Gen2 and can fit to Satria Neo for sale. Got the wrong one for my wife's Persona. Its brand new but unwrapped. It can't fit into my wife's persona as the air filter for Persona and Gen2/Satria Neo is different.

It's good to have this air filter for the car as u can wash it and reuse it for a long time. Which saves you money in the long run. It also slightly improves the power of the car.

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post Apr 12 2016, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Mar 28 2016, 11:49 AM)
rclxms.gif congrats!! how much did you pay for it??

bout the manuals, if u cant find em online... u can try join the satria neo club, they might know where to get them
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Hi!

Haha long time no post.

k a lot happened between then and now, and its not been a good story so far. sad.gif

Well I did not get the car yet. My first bank (cimb), rejected the loan.
The secnd one, heong leong, looked very hopeful, but then they evaluated the market value of the car to 30k, and hence got me a loan of only 21k, which means my downpayment would become like 15k, so had to let that go.

My dealer says he knows of no other banks to try.

I am personally gna try a few banks myself and see as last resort.


Meanwhile, I saw a newer car (2011) and an overall better deal at AutoCraver. Its a new much much more awesome service for second hand cars, so I have submitted my process and documents there for processing. They will try to get bank loan for me from their side. If that works out, then I will let go of this 35.5k deal immediately and go for that one.
I will be getting a reply from the Autocraver service on the bank loan results in like 7 days, so fingers crossed.


Its been such a tough one month trying to chase down the car and the bank loans. the bank loans are definitely the most excruciatingly difficult part from a foreigner perspective, it is so difficult! :'(


Well I hope this new try goes well. Any one got any tips for bank loans for foreigners? Any good recommended banks? Any experiences?

I would love to know.

Thanks. biggrin.gif
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post Apr 12 2016, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(itwj27 @ Mar 28 2016, 12:40 PM)
look for CPS model and above, anything less is a bit boring.. hehe

Btw, I have one unit of Works air filter for Gen2 and can fit to Satria Neo for sale. Got the wrong one for my wife's Persona. Its brand new but unwrapped. It can't fit into my wife's persona as the air filter for Persona and Gen2/Satria Neo is different.

It's good to have this air filter for the car as u can wash it and reuse it for a long time. Which saves you money in the long run. It also slightly improves the power of the car.
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Hi,

Well I havn't gotten the car yet unfortunately.

But when I do, this looks like an interesting offer. Still available?

How much is the price?

Please leme know.

Thanks. smile.gif
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post Apr 12 2016, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Apr 12 2016, 01:01 PM)
Hi!

Haha long time no post.

k a lot happened between then and now, and its not been a good story so far. sad.gif

Well I did not get the car yet. My first bank (cimb), rejected the loan.
The secnd one, heong leong, looked very hopeful, but then they evaluated the market value of the car to 30k, and hence got me a loan of only 21k, which means my downpayment would become like 15k, so had to let that go.

My dealer says he knows of no other banks to try.

I am personally gna try a few banks myself and see as last resort.
Meanwhile, I saw a newer car (2011) and an overall better deal at AutoCraver. Its a new much much more awesome service for second hand cars, so I have submitted my process and documents there for processing. They will try to get bank loan for me from their side. If that works out, then I will let go of this 35.5k deal immediately and go for that one.
I will be getting a reply from the Autocraver service on the bank loan results in like 7 days, so fingers crossed.
Its been such a tough one month trying to chase down the car and the bank loans. the bank loans are definitely the most excruciatingly difficult part from a foreigner perspective, it is so difficult! :'(
Well I hope this new try goes well. Any one got any tips for bank loans for foreigners? Any good recommended banks? Any experiences?

I would love to know.

Thanks. biggrin.gif
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am not sure @_@ i just paid in full.... then again my car is 20 yrs old so it didnt really cost that much sweat.gif
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post Apr 19 2016, 11:25 AM

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Hi all,

Ok here is another update. A very interesting and weird one. (I am not even sure if this is the right thread for it, but since you guys have been so kind in helping me all this time, I feel better asking here. Perhaps you could guide me)

So my satria neo plan, is still unsure. I have tried many banks, bad luck with all of them. Only one final bank loan application remaining, and if this one says no to a good loan amount, I wont be able to apply for any bank loan for a while, and then due to some circumstances with my visa (as I will be moving to a different company this year later), looks like I wont be able to apply for another car loan till next year February.

So meanwhile, I will have then time to do 2 things:

1. To back off for a while, and save money for a higher downpayment for next year, so I do not have the same issue again next year.

2. My current kancil 660 (2001 modle) is almost dead. As in, it has TOO MANY issues and fixes to do, which might properly cost me around 2.5-3k to fix. So I was thinking, why not get a very cheap temporary car for now, which is better than my Kancil atleast, so it can last me for some good time (a year or 2 MAX), till I plan for a nicer better car in future. The cheap car would mean I might have to spend a bit more than the crapped up kancil I have for now, and it will be a much better car to last me a while. This would be direct buy, no loans etc. Lets call it the 'Interim Car'.

For this, I was looking around choices, which would be around 4.5-5k for the car. I found a NAZA Sutera (1100cc), being sold by an owner on Facebook. This is a 2007 model, and he seems to have maintained it and taken care of it really well. He has changed a lot of parts recently. The overall car, along with all new changed parts, and everything else, is going for around 5k. Here is a few things he said in a chat recently:

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Mounting rubber 180rm (Have to replace sometime in future soon)
Drive Shaft 150rm. (Have to replace sometime in future soon)
Paint chip on right side was there when I bought.
And small dent on back door left side from taxi.
Insurance road tax till 2017 worth 700rm+
Interior no issues at all. Very clean. may be get new steering cover.
Tyres good for about 6 months, the back ones. Front wheels no problem.
Blue led light in Floor of car, looks cool at night.
Passenger window doesn't open from when I bought but I don't open Coz in Malaysia aircon is a necessity. It is very cold. New compressor, air filter etc. Worth 1500
Drive Shaft only makes noise when you are turning steering full.
Engine is very stong. Went up genting without stopping once
Every 5000km when I go for maintenance I changed something new.


New parts are (all changed within last year)
- left drive shaft
- Fuel pump
- Aircon compressor
- Clutch cable
- Clutch plate
- Brakes front and back
- Battery
- Spark plugs


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Now, I have seen lots of reviews of the Naza Sutera, and they do not paint a very pretty picture honestly. But I have a suspicion, they might be comparing it to better cars like Myvi. I wanted to know, is the above specific Sutera, a good choice for a decent temporary car for a couple of years? Specially as compared to my 2001 Kancil 660ex? As this is a temporary car, its only 5k, with new parts, and it would replace my kancil, so I am mainly thinking, is it a better replacement, for that price and above specs?

I would really appreciate any honest reviews or help with this and let me know what you guys think. Trust you all a lot so it would really help me make a decision.

Thanks a LOT as always guys. smile.gif

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i dont own a NAZA Sutera (is that how you spell it?? i cant seem to spell it), but i its one of those cars i personally would not poke even with a stick.... if im not wrong (again this is heresay, i dont own one) parts can e more difficult and expensive to source.... there is a reason why its so cheap

whats wrong with the kancil btw.... should be an easy car to deal with

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