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lsm1991
post Mar 16 2016, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Mar 16 2016, 05:16 PM)
the year does not signify the different models.. just the year the car was manufactured.

there is no difference between the year manufactured between the models.

eg of models: M-line, H-line, CPS, CPS R3, etc etc.

a 2006 M-line will be the same as a 2009 M-line.
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^ this covers it....

and dont expect the r3 cars to come with any performance parts ya.... its basically just like a high line with asthetical stuff bolted on

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post Mar 16 2016, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(theanswer @ Mar 16 2016, 05:40 PM)
got one cps r3 with r3 performance parts..but limited edition.
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yep, only a few variants,
1)those limited edition 'real' r3 ones with the numbered plates
2)those clubsport editions with the cage
3)the lotus edition

i think thats all? keep in mind that those have eye popping pricetags!
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post Mar 16 2016, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(goandloveyourself @ Mar 16 2016, 05:47 PM)
the lotus racing edition is the best variant of the Neo's, maybe?
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with a price tag of 6 figures when it was launched~

**them brakes and suspension though... i much jelly....**

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post Mar 17 2016, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 17 2016, 08:07 AM)
Wow, Thats a lot of helpful information!
My confusion is almost gone now. Thanks a lot guys. biggrin.gif

Another thing, I researched and found out the 2006-2008 models have the Campro S4PH engine, where as the 2009 and above have the Campro CPS engine. Is it true? I know the engines are different with the CPS giving higher BHP etc., but how much of a noticeable difference does it translate to on city roads driving, slopes etc.?

Thanks. smile.gif
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not 100% sure.... but i always thought that the cps model replaced the top range neos... meaning that at that point of time, the 1.3 campro, 1.6 campro and 1.6 cps were available concurrently (not that it completely replaced the campro 1.6)

if i were to compare 2 stock units.... cps models were prettier looking, had a nicer interior and had a little more power to match the looks

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post Mar 17 2016, 02:40 PM

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just a reminder....
-make sure car is accident free
-dont trust the dealers, check and double check to make sure (paint originality, leaks,tyres)
-call before you view the car, prices are rarely as stated

just an advise
-buy a car from an owner... most dealers are ripoffs (not saying all dealers are like this, nor am i saying all owners are honest)
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post Mar 17 2016, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(goandloveyourself @ Mar 17 2016, 03:05 PM)
i still liked the Neo's design even today. nice car.
but alas i cant fit in the Neo. I'm not even that tall, only 175cm, and my head is almost touching the roof of the car, and when trying to drive, my view feels blocked by the roof-line. Have you sat in the car and driven around?
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ehh not so badlah, around the same height as you there is still some headroom laugh.gif
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post Mar 17 2016, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 17 2016, 04:28 PM)
Are there any visible differences or any indication that it is H-line? Like if I test drive, or have some one look at the car, how can one say it is for sure H-Line?

My only fear is that what if some one cheats me saying its h-line but its not actually? So was wondering if there is some way to check that.
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dealers are the buggers who tend to pull stunts like this..... they say, ohh~~ trd ver, type r, what bollocks~~

i dont know this car well enough to help you here BUT google does.... (tip, go into paultan archives and check the 06
-highline comes with engine cover (i read off the paul tan site)
-high-line model comes with anti-lock brakes, rest dont
-cruise control for the automatic transmission
kenot post paultan link kan?

**from personal experience i still feel that a private seller is better, u know the history, less bs, pay less (usually lower otr price tag, dealers will tell you there is this and that processing fee, all rubbish)**

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post Mar 17 2016, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 17 2016, 06:14 PM)
Thanks.

Also as I was researching more, some people say that the auto gearbox is bad? ohmy.gif
I finally liked a good H-Line piece, and I have been looking for auto 1.6 all this while and this particular one suited all my requirements, and it looked EXCELLENT! But its auto, which I really wanted.

But is it that bad? Like compared to what? I have driven isawara auto, waja, myvi, mutsibushi all auto, etc. Or is it really bad compared to like sporty higher spec cars? *worried*
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well.... basically it wont be the fastest car around. Personal opinion here.... the cps manual barely has the go to match its looks.... what more the campro auto BUT compared to the cars in ur list like an auto iswara/waja it cant be that bad.... (hef no experience driving an auto satria)
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post Mar 18 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 18 2016, 01:13 AM)
Mune has airbag on passenger dashboard. Its hline. However, i thought only hlines of 2009 and above are cps? The ones before 09, all got campro but not cps one..read this on paul tan website
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actually im abit confused as well.....
what i would go with is...
pre 09 cars
-2 airbags, abs,ebd,cruise control = H-line
post 09
-2 airbags, abs,ebd,cruise control + CPS = H-line
-1 airbag +Campro = M-line

keep that in mind, an example of dealers bullsh*t*ng:
http://www.mudah.my/Proton+Satria+Neo+1+6+...07-38425312.htm
-07 car, no way in hell its a CPS
-probably a h line from 07
(lots of adds like this in mudah)

http://www.mudah.my/Proton+Satria+Neo+1+6+...ly-43641595.htm
-more garbage than the 1st, all the descriptions are rubbish
-look at the engine, year and interior, has a campro, has 2 airbags but wait, 12 car? this no make sense cause, afaik, campro units post 09 did NOT come with twin airbags.... so... either the dealer messed the pics up(unlikely) or he is lying bout the year, OR the info we have on the specs are not 100% complete

now this~~~ i kinda like (but manual)
http://www.mudah.my/2009+Proton+Satria+Neo...M+-44675680.htm
-seems like its a personal car owned by G-ShoCk (traced the phone no to his lowyat acc). No idea why its listed under a company
-not exactly cheap, but alright AND personal car means, less likely to be tampered with

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post Mar 18 2016, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 18 2016, 12:19 PM)
Wow, that was an amazing breakdown of things!
You know, apart from the owner model, the other 2 I had looked into before hehe. I did not pay any attention to the 2012 model as it was already overbudget.

But the other one, the info seems ok for an H-Line.

The thing is this: ALL neo cars have campro engine. Even the pre 2009 ones and the post 2009 ones. The only difference is, Post 2009, H-Line only, has a difference campro engine, which is the CPS. Campro engine is of two types, DOHC and CPS. 2006-end all models of b and m line have dohc. 2006 till 2009 h-line also have dohc, and 2009++ h-line have the CPS. So if any dealer mention campro engine, that is ok. Only thing I know is that the CPS one is only 2009 or above in h-line.
Regarding dealers, the only thing I absolutely hate is that the sites never give the OTR price. Whats given is the car price only. Later when you go to them and ask, they will give you OTR price which is usually more than listed price on site. Besides that, whatever specs they write, is the SAME for all their cars, specially things like "100% good condition gear box, 100% good condition tires".. etc. I have seen many dealers, incl mine, to just copy paste these things and paste it in all their Ads lol. tongue.gif

So that is why I was asking here things like how to tell the h-line apart, and other characteristics. So I know what the dealer is offerring, I have seen the car, love it, and now I will be going with a friend and test drivign it, and will check on important things, like proof of h-line, and things under the hood in good condition, tires etc. Might also take my mechanic to personally check the car, my dealer allowed that. Just need to convince my mechanic, as I do not trust others so cant take them, and mine is hard to convince :'( lol

Also I read on paultan that airbags (2 of them) are also on ALL h-line models, pre and post 2009.

The one I am planning to get, is a version with those red leather seats. (black and red). But its pre-2009. In the paul tan website, for the CPS review they showed those seats, but mine being 2009 below, cant be cps, but I have those seats. So either the previous owner did that, or my dealer is mistaken and maybe it has cps? I hope its the second one personally. wink.gif Also I forgot, how can one tell the difference between CPS and DOHC engine? Any idea?

Thanks!
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yep you got it basically all covered....

cps has a red spark cover, while the campro has a black one (quite obvious) and its written there haha
(incase some smartass paints it, the dummy way to tell is.... one has cps written there (clockwise 90 degrees, T shape) and the other has no cps written there (counterclockwise 90 degrees, L shape)

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post Mar 18 2016, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(mystvearn @ Mar 18 2016, 12:35 PM)
You missed the Cusco JP variant  tongue.gif
http://www.proton.co.jp/parts.html

wow didnt even know that existed!

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post Mar 18 2016, 07:49 PM

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basically.... check everything, i had my own checklist... i was an idiot so i didnt write it down and everytime i went, i forgot a few items bangwall.gif

+can check normally
++hardcore mode
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-interior
+check wear and tear, see if it matches the mileage
+ofc check the specs to confirm trim level (cruise control, airbags)
+check the electronics....
++stripsearch, look for stains under the trim at the sides and the bottom feet wells, also look for rust at the corners (this means pulling out the seats for the back and the mats at the bottom, but this is more applicable if the car is like 20 years old)
*on japanese cars, the general year of manufacture can be found on the seatbelts (not sure bout potongs, never checked)

-engine
+this one... u pandai pandailah, too many ways to check, many dif ideas
+no funny sounds, check if fluid levels are up, color all ok? (shops usually dah cover all problems here)
+leaks (unfortunately i have seen cars pre and after masuk kedai, signs of leaks all missing)
+some have poop on the engine covers 9means car has not moved for some time, check harder now!
+ask bout belts, oil whatnot, all adds up
++look out for mods.... (but auto campro less likely to be molested)

-exterior
+check for accident damage, search throughout the car!!!! look underneeth, look at the sides, look at the front radiator mount/subframe with the bonet open, any strange curves and its a sign the car has been repaired (anything funky, take pics hehe, no fnky also can take pics! we mau tengok)
+check for overspray, some fellas respray the cars to coverup damage some will admit resprayed, some wont (ask before vewing, pretend you dont know nuts)
+in the engine bay, u can find info on the car (from the plate, u can tell the color, trim, some cases engine, differs from car to car)
+check tyres, all same?(not same means kept on a budget) any bald spots?(means been sitting), wear rate same?(if no, allignment)
+lampu
++jackup! see if bottom nais or not!, also helpful to find oil leaks~

-driving
+check steering ade veer to any direction,
+brakes ok,
+no funny sounds, some would advise you tekan abit to see if it does anything funny

remember take your time~~
not sure if i missed anything
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post Mar 19 2016, 12:36 AM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 19 2016, 12:00 AM)
Wow!That is an amazingly comprehensive list. I guess that covers everything and I wont need to look much further. biggrin.gif

Thanks a LOT!
I might print this and take it there haha.
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ahh yes...
-check the back spare tyre area for signs of rear collisions (in event of a bad accident, very difficult to repair this...
-check tyre age
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post Mar 19 2016, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 19 2016, 10:36 AM)
Well the car I am looking it is indeed 9 years old (2007 model).

So perhaps IF no prts have changed in that time, it could mean two things:

1. It still has all original things in it.

2. Because they have been there for so long, what if I buy and then suddenly soon I have to change them? :'(
I'm gna go for test drive and checking like in 2 hours.. nervous a bit haha
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so, hows the car??
if things have been replaced with original things then i guess thats good, car has been maintained accordingly
if things have been modified, it really depends on what it is, the quality of the work and what part (sometimes, original is better) (*for example, an added atf cooler is usually a good mod)
if things have not been replaced, it might need replacing soon, adds cost (mountings, timing belt)
sometimes things are replaced to solve a problem, might be an underlying problem (which may or may not be solved, there is always a risk buying 2nd hand cars though in u case, its not an extremely old car so should be fine)
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post Mar 19 2016, 07:27 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 19 2016, 06:14 PM)
Ok so I saw the car. Turns out, it was not an h-line after all. loool. tongue.gif The advertisement was not accurate and when I checked for the h-line only things, none of them were present, so it was an m-line 2006. For the price of 25k, an m-line 10 year old car suddenly was not worth it for me. When I checked the insides thoroughly (based on ur awesome list), even the insides some areas look pretty old and all; no wonder though coz its 10 year old car.

Thankfully the dealer also admit its an m-line and not h-line. I was glad he admit his mistake.

So after I was not interested in it at all, the dealer showed me another neo. This one is a 2010 model. definitely h-line (I checked), and has everything in MUCH better condition, as well as ofcourse the cps campro engine. smile.gif Additionally it comes with full r3 body kit. Mileage is around 53k, so that is also good, and it being 2010, its a newer car. The condition was so good, it was as good as new in many area, incl under the hood.
The price for this is 35500RM (OTR). I have checked online and neos with similar specs incl r3 body kit are going for similar or higher price.

I took 2 friends with me, whose car knowledge is way better than mine. They approve of it too.

So I guess I might be going for that one. Gona ponder over it for a day or 2 more and then decide for sure. biggrin.gif
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whoa... budget blown ...... before you decide... i still think you shoud join the neo club... ask if anyone wants to let go of one... lots of these car lovers take really good care of the cars...
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post Mar 19 2016, 07:41 PM

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ohh ya... fc is on the higher side, but really depends on your foot, the mods (mods = makan more petrol and sometimes hp goes down if an idiot did it)

**personally feel that you can get a decent car for 30k+otr if you get it from an owner, asked a friend, and he said, shops will only pay around 25k for a 09 cps

-just some poison, toobad its in johor though (and this should have been a manual car!)
http://www.mudah.my/2011+Proton+Satria+Neo...er-44800679.htm

**dont be in a rush to buy a car, take your time, good deals will appear to those who are patient!
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post Mar 19 2016, 10:28 PM

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Hehe remember to try negotiate on the price, the satria neo club is on fb, there are a few, I u can just simply apply to join, then just ask
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post Mar 21 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ladiesman217 @ Mar 21 2016, 10:30 PM)
Sold mine 6 months ago for rm27.5k to a direct seller. The used car only wanted to take it fo rm 23k.
Mine was 2010 cps / auto.  It only came with white or black that time. Hope this is some figures for u to gauge with.

Great car, good handling, fuel consumption was ard 350km per full tank for ron95. 50% highway. Sound proofing wasnt great.
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whoa... so little?? they actually make quite abit selling these cars.....
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post Mar 28 2016, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Mar 27 2016, 09:00 PM)
I am like days away from getting my Satria Neo CPS auto 2010, with full R3 bodykit. biggrin.gif

I was wondering, is there any place I could get a softcopy of the owner's manual that comes with the car? Since this is second hand, pretty sure it does not come with the owner's manual. So was wondering if there is a copy of it somewhere online?

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rclxms.gif congrats!! how much did you pay for it??

bout the manuals, if u cant find em online... u can try join the satria neo club, they might know where to get them
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post Apr 12 2016, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(haroon86 @ Apr 12 2016, 01:01 PM)
Hi!

Haha long time no post.

k a lot happened between then and now, and its not been a good story so far. sad.gif

Well I did not get the car yet. My first bank (cimb), rejected the loan.
The secnd one, heong leong, looked very hopeful, but then they evaluated the market value of the car to 30k, and hence got me a loan of only 21k, which means my downpayment would become like 15k, so had to let that go.

My dealer says he knows of no other banks to try.

I am personally gna try a few banks myself and see as last resort.
Meanwhile, I saw a newer car (2011) and an overall better deal at AutoCraver. Its a new much much more awesome service for second hand cars, so I have submitted my process and documents there for processing. They will try to get bank loan for me from their side. If that works out, then I will let go of this 35.5k deal immediately and go for that one.
I will be getting a reply from the Autocraver service on the bank loan results in like 7 days, so fingers crossed.
Its been such a tough one month trying to chase down the car and the bank loans. the bank loans are definitely the most excruciatingly difficult part from a foreigner perspective, it is so difficult! :'(
Well I hope this new try goes well. Any one got any tips for bank loans for foreigners? Any good recommended banks? Any experiences?

I would love to know.

Thanks. biggrin.gif
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am not sure @_@ i just paid in full.... then again my car is 20 yrs old so it didnt really cost that much sweat.gif

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