Photoshop? So which one do u like most? Seems to me that LCD is the sharpest in your eye

ah yes, LCD is definitely the sharpest. Plasma is almost as sharp but with extra noise and the jagginess around the edges is more prominent than lcd. SXRD RP has the poorest PQ imho.

The Panasonic PX600 plasma looks very ugly imho so ugly that I'm not gonna bother with the PQ

Why i can't see any different between the 3 pictures? am i having so-bad eyes?

made a more extreme example:
LCD

Plasma

RP

LCD looks kinda "clean" . are movies supposed to look this 'clean'?

Yes, pretty close to film, but wthout the sparkling artifacts (forgot what was the correct term) seen in films. Some ppl would find LCD to have a flatter image and less lively compared to plasma and CRT...I'm not so concerned about that myself though.

EDIT: forgot to mention this in my previous posts....Plasma off axis viewing is by far the best...I was looking at the panasonic at 175 degree angle and the color, brightness, and contrast is still the same as if I was viewing it from the front. RP off axis viewing is NIGHTMARE! I was looking at the 60" Bravia XBR SXRD RP at
Sony Store that day..you really need to sit at the front sit and at a proper height to get the best PQ, if you move around, you will see color banding right away. LCD is Second best imho, but still depends on the model itself. My Westinghouse is quite horrible..the screen would look very pale and bright at about >45 degree.

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Jan 6 2007, 08:08 AM

The sparkling artifacts u meant is call film grain, it was on all the movies that shoot on film, and the oldies has bigger grain than the new one due to the technology. If the movie was shoot on HD, then it wont have any grain in it and it looks too clean and fake for some ppl. So they will do some post processing or even transfer it to film to get the film grain look. And why they still wanna shoot on HD? Its a lot cheaper, and cheaper means at least 5 to 6 times cheaper than using film.

Actually for me the SXRD is not as bad as u mentioned. I saw Montser inc on the 60" Sony SXRD and i can see every single detail including Sully's firs and the color and grey scale is very good, they biggest draw back is the viewing angle as u said. But its darn good if use it only for HT and sit tight when u are watch a show, and u will be happy.

This post has been edited by tong1774: Jan 6 2007, 03:07 PM

The SXRD is very horrible imho. I've spent lots of time with the game Motorstorm on my LCD and I am very used to LCD's high resolution and definition. Moving to the SXRD is just plain nightmare. As I have mentioned, the image is significantly softer, and the jagginess is alot more obvious on the SXRD. The worst thing about RP besides the poor viewing angle is the texture of the screen. Depending on how sensitive you are, you can see the screen's grain at almost anytime. It is most obvious when you are looking at a single spot and particularly when the screen is on a white background. The gain will look like noise on the plasma, but seems rougher and you can see color reflection within the grains. Unfortunately, they need the grain for the screen to work...I would have prefered a crystal clear glass like the plasma...or better still, anti glare screen with virtually no visible gain like the lcd. The only pros that I can see in RP is screen size vs price. RP will look alright if you are sitting very far away (10ft or so) but at the same size and resolution, plasma will beat it in PQ easily...at a higher price of course. LCD lagi no doubt

A 60" SXRD is mean to watch at a distance more than 10 feets anyway, do u observe it in a several store or just 1 particular shop? Beacuse from iwhat saw its not as bad as u mentioned, and i have very sharp eye i can say (I work as a commercial video editor btw) Is it possible that the set u saw was feed with a bad source?

I dont consider my ps3 a bad source I've tested both the 50 and 55" model, projection are all the same. It's easy to tell how poor the PQ is, just look at other plasma/lcd with the same source (even without tweaking), the PQ will trounce RP btw, which part is not that bad? you can't see the projection screen grain? picture not soft? btw, the jagginess can easily be seen in console games, not that obvious in movies.

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Jan 7 2007, 12:22 AM

I can only see the grain if i am very close like less than 4 feets, but not when i am 10 feets away. As for console, havent try it yet, but movie looks ok though. May be because the console's game is sharper than movie source thats why the jagginess is more obvious. I got to agree that SXRD PQ is not as good as plasma & LCD, but the size/price is really attractive, too bad its not for me because i cant afford to keep my living room dark all the time. So when is your Hitachi arrive? May be u should do a quick review after tested it out.

Even at 8 ft away I can still see the grains. But for plasma, the noise will almost be invisible at those distance. I'm still trying to get the best deal out of the Hitachi...most places selling 2100+CAD...i want to get it at 2000CAD

PS: 50" 1080p SXRD is just a little more...but really no feel for RP

EDIT: w00t, best price for hitachi is 2100CAD shipped + 7% tax that's still cheaper than 2000CAD + 14% tax (if i buy from my province)

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Jan 7 2007, 06:41 AM

Heard that all PS3 games doesn't have 4X AA by default for all games unlike the XBOX 360 but honestly, I do see slight jaggies on my XBOX 360 on my LCD, I guess they need to bump 4X to 8X to eliminate the jaggies once and for all but with 8X AA, I guess no next-gen consoles can run without a big impact on the framerates.

no idea, but the graphics is actually very good. It is just alot worse on RP. I'm actually a little hesitant to pick up the plasma due to the burn in issue, I'm wondering if it'd be ok for gaming.

Plasma is NOT OK for gaming.

Yes, it is not advisable to use plasma for gaming. But, my friend didnt bother abt it. He is playing his PS2 via plasma for more than 2 yrs. No prob. Or maybe he is lucky.

oh really? didnt plasma have picture shift? So far I've read alot about IR, which is quite normal and I have seen it myself on a Pioneer. But it doesnt last long and the next min I look at it, the IR is already gone. I do plan to use my TV for all sorts of things and really, I dont believe watching movie with black boarders for a few hours doesn't have any problems but playing games for the same amount of hours would have problems hope I'm right

EDIT: btw, how obvious is the picture shift?

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Jan 8 2007, 06:35 AM

I dont think u can realise the picture shift, as it will only move in nanometers. And i dont think it will help in all situation, imagine any still image with 1 inch x 1 inch color block, unless the picture shift kau kau, the middle part of the color block will be always there.

LCD is cleaner but if you look at the roofs and the river banks, the Plasma excels here because it has more shades of gray and the ability to display deep black levels. Of course, frankly speaking, it's a minor issue, I'll choose a LCD anytime.

They just shift it a few pixels away. BTW, go plasma la. Be the pioneer