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post Jan 2 2007, 01:54 PM

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There's not CRT with HDMI and even if there is you're not getting true HD resolutions, some CRTs support 1080i signals but it doesn't you're getting 1080i resolution.

Well, LCDs or Plasmas might have their own pros and cons but frankly, they're still better looking than a normal CRT when you feed them with HD materials.

QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 31 2006, 09:32 AM)
This means that CRT is still the best. Unfortunately, component only support low bit rate. Maybe should get CRT with HDMI biggrin.gif
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&q=cr...ta=lr%3Dlang_en
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post Jan 4 2007, 10:45 AM

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Does the 5 year warranty given by Sony covers the dead pixels as well. I'm not sure about Bravia but for LCD monitors, they guarantee dead pixels free with one to one exchange. Any idea?

QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jan 3 2007, 10:27 AM)
Both the Bravia V2500 and XBR2/3 are 1080p ready. Both suffers from the Mura effect, and both have about 90% chance of getting dead pixels. I didn't pay too much attention to the XBR2 but I've read comments from some other owners that although the black level is better than other LCD TV, the black crush is even more kau.
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post Jan 5 2007, 09:03 AM

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Is it true that plasma consumes more power than lcd tv? As for static images, it's hard to avoid sometimes like the CNN, Channel 8 / 9 logo or if you're playing a RPG like Final Fantasy for hours, stuff like that. However, I believe the current plasma tvs have less of the burn in issues especially those using the Alis technology.

QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jan 5 2007, 07:19 AM)
I m glad to hear that !!  rclxm9.gif
So far I m satisfied using my plasma. Just need to becareful not to let any static image on the screen for more than 8 hours. A decent 42" 1080i screen will costs less than RM 7K nowadays. Regarding 1080p screen, I don't think you can see any difference unless your screen more than 50".
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post Jan 5 2007, 09:58 PM

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Yes, I use it to mainly plays games on my XBOX 360 so I got a LCD instead. Can't have the best of both worlds but seriously, LCDs still can't display true blacks yet, it looked like a lighter shade of black and not those deep blacks that you get with plasma displays. Hai ....... Toshiba SED tv where are you? I guess that's probably my answer to get the best of both worlds, picture quality wise, hopefully it's not all talk and no action, worst of all, the project might be canned for good due to cost reasons.

QUOTE(piscesguy @ Jan 5 2007, 09:24 AM)
LCDs use florescent backlighting to produce images, they require substantially less power to operate than plasmas do. LCD TVs consume about half the power that plasma displays consume. The reason: Plasmas use a lot of electricity to light each and every pixel you see on a screen - even the dark ones. Though plasma manufacturers have improved voltage consumption requirements a plasma TV will consume around a third more power for the same size display.

Actually for playing games, I would recommend LCD. Plasma is NOT designed for connecting to PC. Its best for watching movies. Try not to watch a TV channel with logo for a very long period, but then normally you will get the see all those "nice" advertisement in between which lasts for 1-3 minutes, so thats not a problem.
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post Jan 7 2007, 10:26 AM

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Heard that all PS3 games doesn't have 4X AA by default for all games unlike the XBOX 360 but honestly, I do see slight jaggies on my XBOX 360 on my LCD, I guess they need to bump 4X to 8X to eliminate the jaggies once and for all but with 8X AA, I guess no next-gen consoles can run without a big impact on the framerates. sweat.gif

QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jan 7 2007, 12:21 AM)
I dont consider my ps3 a bad source laugh.gif I've tested both the 50 and 55"  model, projection are all the same. It's easy to tell how poor the PQ is, just look at other plasma/lcd with the same source (even without tweaking), the PQ will trounce RP biggrin.gif btw, which part is not that bad? you can't see the projection screen grain? picture not soft? btw, the jagginess can easily be seen in console games, not that obvious in movies.
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post Jan 8 2007, 04:44 PM

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LCD is cleaner but if you look at the roofs and the river banks, the Plasma excels here because it has more shades of gray and the ability to display deep black levels. Of course, frankly speaking, it's a minor issue, I'll choose a LCD anytime. tongue.gif

QUOTE(g5sim @ Jan 6 2007, 07:13 AM)
LCD looks kinda "clean" . are movies supposed to look this 'clean'?
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post Jan 23 2007, 12:56 AM

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Speaking of Sharp LCDs, it did receive very good reviews from CNET Singapore, could it be that our Sharp LCDs for Asian market is different from other regions? Even Hitachi and Toshiba were highly recommended too. I guess it's pretty subjective so I guess we just see and buy what we like than to rely on reviews alone. sweat.gif

QUOTE(kelvinyam @ Jan 22 2007, 11:14 PM)
My dad bought a 32" Sharp Aquos LCD and I couldn't see any banding. I even switch off the living hall light at night and look very hard on it. Nope, no banding on my unit.

Just one thing, ASTRO image sucks on this LCD.
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post Jan 23 2007, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(saiga @ Jan 23 2007, 05:53 PM)
but cannot get plasma tv in RM4K range la  sad.gif
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Can gua, maybe buy those Cap Ayam brands lor. sweat.gif


QUOTE(tong1774 @ Jan 23 2007, 06:32 PM)
the 8 out of 10 point given in Cnet Asia is from a user, not the editor rating.
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Maybe the CNET Editor is AlamakLor so he dun wanna review a Sharp LCD lor. brows.gif I was just kidding. notworthy.gif


QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jan 23 2007, 07:49 PM)
the easiest way to check for banding is to play some games on it biggrin.gif
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What type of games should be play on it to test it? Ridge Racer?
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post Jan 23 2007, 09:04 PM

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Ohhhhh yahhhhh, just went to check CNET Singapore again, the review was indeed from CNET Editor, here's da link, http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/home_av/tvs/0...9272240p,00.htm

Editor's award somemore, dun play play. sweat.gif


QUOTE(tong1774 @ Jan 23 2007, 06:32 PM)
the 8 out of 10 point given in Cnet Asia is from a user, not the editor rating.
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post Jan 24 2007, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(tong1774 @ Jan 23 2007, 09:47 PM)
I tot u are talking about this one.
Review?
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Hehehe, misunderstand aje, small matter ....... notworthy.gif

QUOTE(redken @ Jan 23 2007, 10:23 PM)
Haier got plasma at 3k+ wat. BTW, people shouldnt be talking about performance alone, more like performance/price ratio which is more rational. For instance if i had all the money in the world, i would get myself a new pair of eyes, with 100X zoom, nightvision, and gazillion hertz processor. Who needs a 2 dimension display anyway.
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Haier ain't that bad, budget use lah but still quite decent for the price.

QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Jan 23 2007, 10:56 PM)
When testing it with some games, the game background should be very monotonous in color...it can be any color, but grey is most obvious...(actually light blue was most obvious for me...i.e. sky) when you pan the screen slowly...try to look at the screen as a whole and you can easily detect the banding. The banding can be very obvious or very faint and not particularly noticeable, but I have not seen a single LCD TV that does not have banding issue. If you don't see it, chances are you just couldn't see it...I might be able to show them to you if I was there tongue.gif

It wasnt easy to detect in Ridge racer. When you drift the car, it spins too damn much and there are alot of things going on in the background. I've found motorstorm the best game to test banding, but that's a ps3 title. I've read alot about ppl seeing banding with Splinter cell and FEAR as well.

Banding is very hard to detect in most movies.
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Yeah, you're right about using FEAR and Splinter Cell, those games will show the banding flaws much more obvious, Call Of Duty 3, Need For Speed Carbon, Fatal Frame 3 can be used as well too but colourful games like DOAX2, Rayman Raving Rabbits, etc are best avoided, you're unlikely to notice the banding issues. Anyway, despite the flaws, I still prefer a LCD as it's brighter.


QUOTE(saiga @ Jan 23 2007, 11:42 PM)
just visited senq and take a look at the lcd tv from various brands. couldn't noticed any banding on Sharp Aquos... or izzit because my eyes automatically "enhanced" the picture?  tongue.gif
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I guess you ain't buying what you see as normally they will use those kickass demos to get you hooked. You're less likely to notice these flaws if the demo was showing sexy girls with bikini. doh.gif
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post Jan 26 2007, 07:21 PM

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Unless you view all full aspect ratio movies in stretched mode to avoid the burning issue.

QUOTE(AlamakLor @ Dec 31 2006, 08:05 AM)
I'm not sure about plasma, I've never really looked into plasma due to the phosphor burning issue...which is going to be inevitable since not many movies are 16:9
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post Jan 27 2007, 02:02 AM

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Well, not entirely true because some dvd players can upscale to 720p, 1080i & 1080p too. Even at normal 480p, the picture is quite decent. Most shops here use a normal dvd player, I guess you wouldn't complain about the picture quality.

Besides this, you can view your digital camera pictures, view your HD camcorder movies on your LCD too. S-video will reduce the dot crawl problem but it's still inferior to component videos.


QUOTE(kelvinyam @ Jan 26 2007, 05:16 PM)
I don't think s-video will help much. The problem is resolution. Unless the resolution of the source matches the LCD native resolution, like those demo video specially made for particular model, there's no way to enjoy great PQ on LCD.

Even with DVD, both resolution of 720 × 480 (30Hz) and 720 × 576 (25Hz) doesn't match the LCD's native resolution, the PQ won't be better than CRT. LCD is meant for HDTV, Xbox and PS3.

For me, the only benefit of buying a LCD is that it looks cool in my living hall smile.gif

1080i LCD? I think it's pretty useless at the moment.
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post Apr 3 2007, 12:36 AM

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The price war is a good thing. Sony just reduced the price of their Bravia series, some models cheaper by RM1500. That's a good start and if Samsung keeps on slashing their prices, one day, we can expect to get a big LCD at a good price.

QUOTE(john_125 @ Mar 21 2007, 04:55 PM)
Dudes,

Notice that there's a bit of price war goin on between Samsung, Sony and Toshiba.

Saw the Samsung LA46N71B (current Mosel series) for sale at Harvey Norman. Priced at RM9,999. Can't believe my eyes! From a price and quality perspective, no other model from any manufacturer can compete. Take that Sony! Good for us consumers.  flex.gif
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post Apr 16 2007, 01:44 PM

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A scaler doesn't do miracles, the picture might be sharper but it won't turn it to true HD quality.

QUOTE(shipal @ Apr 14 2007, 10:33 PM)
If desperate about Astro, get a scaler .... scale the astro vcd quality to higher resolution. hehehe
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post May 20 2007, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 20 2007, 06:24 PM)
Not to mention those 2 black bars at both side when u watch Astro in 4:3 format
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If you get a 32' LCD, viewing Astro in 4:3 format, the picture is even smaller, unless you choose to view all full screen sources to fit the 16:9 screen in full.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ May 21 2007, 08:57 AM)
but, the picture will be stretched to fill the screen, which I find it quite irritating. Astro does have this so-called 'wide' setting for the aspect ratio. However, this is only meant for 'future' upgrades.
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Some LCDs do a good job stretching full screen sources to fit the screen but if you have a 40 inch LCD and above, then, there's no problem displaying in true 4:3 aspect ratio, on a 32 incher, the picture might very small if 4:3 aspect ratio is chosen.
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QUOTE(kaichia @ May 31 2007, 04:05 PM)
Not the latest model. Model PA60 if i am not wrong. I prefer the plasma but worry the life spent and burn in effect.
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Lifespan is 60,000 hours for Plasma and with 8 hours per day, it can simply last around 20 years, that's a very long time, who knows, you might have changed another model by then. The burn in effect is a thing of a past as the latest technology prevents these burnt in issues like Hitachi's Alis technology. The only difference is the backlight for LCDs are replaceable but to be honestly, if LCDs also last about 60,000 hours, if 20 years later, I seriously doubt that spare parts are still available for a 20 year obsolete model so to be honest, the backlight of a LCD can be replaced won't be perceived as an advantage in actual usage.
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QUOTE(kaichia @ Jun 2 2007, 06:40 PM)
42PC3RV, the model that selling 4999 at HSL. Got it 4.2k by cash at Sarawak. nod.gif
The Plasma 10Wx2 speaker sound a bit low bass comparing my Sony CRT's speaker but more function like user define equalizer. But is ok since i can connect to my home theather system sometimes. smile.gif
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Some plasmas have audio out, if yes, you can connect to an external active subwoofer like those from Yamaha & B&W. nod.gif
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Jun 5 2007, 03:01 PM)
cheap and does the job well : Wharfedale SW150 for abt RM1K+
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What's the price for Wharfedale SW250? I saw it the other day, the control panel looks pretty cool.
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QUOTE(schizophrenic @ Jun 8 2007, 10:31 PM)
I think Warfey's SW250 is better
comes with remote too and the sub is shooting downwards

too bad no $$ so using wharfey's center speaker only
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You want a sub that shoot forwards? Downward firing sub might be a problem sometimes, the vibration can spread to all your glass panels in your house including your windows and sometimes to your cabinets, tables and sofa too. Tweaking the controls don't help much but a front firing sub is still the bass, less placement problems.

Well, you're not alone, everybody needs to save $$$ to buy the stuff that they want. I'm sure one day, your hi-fi system will be a very high end one. Think positive, nothing is impossible.

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