QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 14 2016, 11:00 PM)
this was published in early Jan....it uses the term correction.....
These stock markets are in correction
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/07/investing/...orrection-bear/
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QUOTE(David83 @ Jun 14 2016, 11:00 PM) this was published in early Jan....it uses the term correction..... These stock markets are in correction http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/07/investing/...orrection-bear/ |
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 14 2016, 11:11 PM) I may be wrong, but I think he measures ROI from May 2013 at 9% and XIRR at 3.5%. yes, looking at his chart....he started in May 2013....The only person who can clarify is yklooi I was referring to the ROI growth from END Jan 2016 till now....which I think is >4% which is better than FD. QUOTE(lukenn @ Jun 14 2016, 11:13 PM) nothing to track...there was a nervous wrecking tension in early January.....just after the new year....for few weeks there was a never ending slides.....look at yklooi chart to see how it goes... |
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After few day rally now reaction again 2 day straight 😣
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Roller coaster ride is here again. I am comparing the performance of the 4 FSM accounts that I have.
For now, the account that is giving me the less heart attack is the one with the highest exposure to bond funds. The equity exposure is only 25.22%. This account has among others, Eastspring Bond, Libra Asnita Bond and RHB Islamic Bond Fund. Smooth sailing. No stress. ROI from 3.32%, 5% and 4.48% respectively. It also has RHB Asian Income Fund which just turned green with ROI at 2.22%. I just sold off RHB Asian Total Return Fund (too volatile for this particular FSM account). But in the long run, I suspect this account will lose to my other FSM accounts with more equity exposure. Note : In the current market, for middle aged investors like us, maybe it is time to have a balance of 50/50 in equity funds/bond funds or 60/40? |
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Jun 15 2016, 01:09 PM
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 15 2016, 12:12 PM) Roller coaster ride is here again. I am comparing the performance of the 4 FSM accounts that I have. hmm, interesting. What is the driver behind the different allocation strategy for the 4 different account? Can share a bit?For now, the account that is giving me the less heart attack is the one with the highest exposure to bond funds. The equity exposure is only 25.22%. This account has among others, Eastspring Bond, Libra Asnita Bond and RHB Islamic Bond Fund. Smooth sailing. No stress. ROI from 3.32%, 5% and 4.48% respectively. It also has RHB Asian Income Fund which just turned green with ROI at 2.22%. I just sold off RHB Asian Total Return Fund (too volatile for this particular FSM account). But in the long run, I suspect this account will lose to my other FSM accounts with more equity exposure. Note : In the current market, for middle aged investors like us, maybe it is time to have a balance of 50/50 in equity funds/bond funds or 60/40? Perhaps an option would be now when market is volatile keep in FI and later on switch to EQ? Since you have credit ninja trick it doesn't cost that much $$, just a bit more time |
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QUOTE(T231H @ Jun 14 2016, 10:52 PM) beginning of Jan Global EQ corrected.... It's not quite fair for you to only consider the rebound without considering the sharp fall right? It's like saying gold and general fund is a great fund with the 1 year returns without looking at 5 years annualised returns still negativefrom end Jan till now...his ROI is +4.37%.... I think it is better than FD. Even looking at XIRR from May 2013 till now is also 3 years only, a bit too early to say sure will or won't work. I respect uncle looi for being direct and honest with his portfolio returns, and hence returning a direct and honest comment that maybe he really look at his strategy if it's the right one when the result is less than desirable |
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Investors fearing ‘summer shocks’ are hoarding the most cash since 2001
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/investors...2001-2016-06-14 Snippet from article to think about: "..Still, despite the gloomy tone of the report, there is a reason to be optimistic, Hartnett notes, citing the average cash level above 4.5%. That move tends to serve as a contrarian buy signal for stocks whereas when it drops below 3.5%, it is a contrarian sell sign, he said..." |
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 15 2016, 01:37 PM) hmm, interesting. What is the driver behind the different allocation strategy for the 4 different account? Can share a bit? No special strategy. I am just a layman. Perhaps an option would be now when market is volatile keep in FI and later on switch to EQ? Since you have credit ninja trick it doesn't cost that much $$, just a bit more time Account 1 - My own account. Major in equity and alternative investment funds. Recently I diversified some into bond funds. Account 2 - My son's education fund. Combination of equity and bond funds. Doing monthly DCA. Account 3 - PRS and combination of equity and bond funds. Doing monthly DCA. Account 4 - My wife's money. So majority in bond funds. This account is capital guaranteed by Vanguard. Any profit she take. Any losses, I will absorb. Technically I am not pumping fresh money into Account 1 and Account 4. I agree with you. It may not be a bad idea to switch some money into F1. This is what I did for my Account 1. For the equity funds which overlap with each other or which I don't like anymore, I switched out to bond funds. But I don't think we should switch out completely from Equity Funds. Maybe at the worst case, still maintain at least 20% in Equity Funds then do quarterly VA or monthly DCA to buy more at low prices? This post has been edited by Vanguard 2015: Jun 15 2016, 04:05 PM |
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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jun 15 2016, 04:04 PM) No special strategy. I am just a layman. Yeah, don't think 100% FI is the way to go, similarly that 100% EQ also not the way to goAccount 1 - My own account. Major in equity and alternative investment funds. Recently I diversified some into bond funds. Account 2 - My son's education fund. Combination of equity and bond funds. Doing monthly DCA. Account 3 - PRS and combination of equity and bond funds. Doing monthly DCA. Account 4 - My wife's money. So majority in bond funds. This account is capital guaranteed by Vanguard. Any profit she take. Any losses, I will absorb. Technically I am not pumping fresh money into Account 1 and Account 4. I agree with you. It may not be a bad idea to switch some money into F1. This is what I did for my Account 1. For the equity funds which overlap with each other or which I don't like anymore, I switched out to bond funds. But I don't think we should switch out completely from Equity Funds. Maybe at the worst case, still maintain at least 20% in Equity Funds then do quarterly VA or monthly DCA to buy more at low prices? Wish someone would capital guaranteed my UT investment too |
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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jun 15 2016, 01:42 PM) ....... Even looking at XIRR from May 2013 till now is also 3 years only, a bit too early to say sure will or won't work. .....returning a direct and honest comment that maybe he really look at his strategy if it's the right one when the result is less than desirable DAMNED....Mal EQ corrected in Jan 2016 and stayed flat for the next few months.... will keep to my current composition as per Jan portfolio.....keep it till end of the year to see how it goes....(with minor changes when needed between now and Dec) yes,...current IRR is not interesting....but what can be done; when 2 weeks after the buying in...both EQ and FI corrected at the same time in May 2013 for many months? luckily made a litttle from China boom in 2015 unlucky changes is having 20% allocation in GTF for 10 month with mearge ROI from Jan ~ Oct 2014...days after throwing it out in Oct 2014...it boomed 30% no use crying over spilled milk...thus just do whatever within my risk appetite to pull up my ROI....(bcos...very difficult to pull up IRR when the duration is long already) currently still following my "illusion" targeted IRR of 8%...(guess it will be very difficult to get 2.5% growth continuously for the next 6 months).......just waiting for ahjib to do the magic on FBMSCAP..... doing abit of self comforting...like what T231H mentioned......6 month ROI is >4% ...yes better than FD IRR of 3 years is 3% ...is better than S/A.... to be honest, sometimes I also |
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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jun 15 2016, 07:09 PM) DAMNED....Mal EQ corrected in Jan 2016 and stayed flat for the next few months.... will keep to my current composition as per Jan portfolio.....keep it till end of the year to see how it goes....(with minor changes when needed between now and Dec) yes,...current IRR is not interesting....but what can be done; when 2 weeks after the buying in...both EQ and FI corrected at the same time in May 2013 for many months? luckily made a litttle from China boom in 2015 unlucky changes is having 20% allocation in GTF for 10 month with mearge ROI from Jan ~ Oct 2014...days after throwing it out in Oct 2014...it boomed 30% no use crying over spilled milk...thus just do whatever within my risk appetite to pull up my ROI....(bcos...very difficult to pull up IRR when the duration is long already) currently still following my "illusion" targeted IRR of 8%...(guess it will be very difficult to get 2.5% growth continuously for the next 6 months).......just waiting for ahjib to do the magic on FBMSCAP..... doing abit of self comforting...like what T231H mentioned......6 month ROI is >4% ...yes better than FD IRR of 3 years is 3% ...is better than S/A.... to be honest, sometimes I also A lot of index are still down YTD.. So still randomly topping up on all region? Or focusing on some particular region now? |
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Jun 15 2016, 10:51 PM) So what are u doing to pull up your ROI? I guess every dog has its day.....just focus heavily on some downed regions.....asia pac and m'sia...A lot of index are still down YTD.. So still randomly topping up on all region? Or focusing on some particular region now? just buy, wait and see... |
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