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 Car Care & Detailing [V5], Caring for your car apprearance

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post Oct 23 2019, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 23 2019, 10:22 AM)
PlastX is less aggressive than glaze? Might try that instead, was told that is reducing type meaning as you polish it gets less aggressive? But I see it was advertised for headlamp so was thinking it might be more aggressive.

Last time I tried hand polish with PlastX but no effect 😂
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As I know, PlastX should be the same range of diminishing abrasives polish. In theory that means that the abrasive grains shrink as u grind, eventually too fine to do anything. Worth to try for finishing if u have it on hand already.
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post Oct 23 2019, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Oct 23 2019, 02:32 PM)
Body safe = no silicone

However silicone and silicone oils are not the only "fillers" that is present. Ipa only works on certain formulation that doesn't have tenacious mineral oil.

Some oils can't be removed by ipa, similar to how certain wax formulation cannot be stripped with ipa alone. But through evaporation from heat overtime, these mineral oils or solvents disappear. I expedite this by using infrared lamps. Can see how swirls slowly reveals itself when oils evaporate. Only then we consider it as true finishing.

Point is silicone is not the only fillers that mask defects.
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Would the likes of Carpro Essence be in that category that requires infrared lamps to see final finish?
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post Oct 23 2019, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Oct 23 2019, 04:57 PM)
One way to know is try. Wanna come over and try together?

Infrared heat to make it evaporate faster without touching.
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Can, u still got ur old Carpro Essence?

This week I still not feeling so well, next week come find u. smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2019, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(douglas_tong @ Oct 23 2019, 07:16 PM)
Got. Come on sat?
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Should be ok, confirm with u by Wednesday via whatsapp.
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post Oct 25 2019, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(Kuchusel @ Oct 25 2019, 11:30 AM)
I think interior detailing is more difficult and complicated than the exterior one. I can't manage it by myself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_detailing
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Mmm, actually interior detailing doesnt have to be difficult, unless ur car is abused aggressively. There are many detailers on youtube that show extreme interior detailing, but u most likely will never let your car reach that level anyways. Even if u do have a family carrier and kids that mess up your car, if u do regular care and cleaning, then it is not so daunting if u wanna do a more thorough cleansing. Otherwise, a typical damp microfiber towel can pretty much clean your entire interior.

For me personally, interior cleaning requires repetition, but not so much gentleness. Exterior detailing requires more gentleness, as being overly aggressive especially in cleaning and polishing, can ruin the paint.

Just my 2 sen.
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post Oct 26 2019, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Oct 26 2019, 09:03 AM)
Anyone sourced for clear bra / ppf before? Trying to grab some for my remote control.
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PPF no, but I can suggest a cheaper alternative since u arent doing it on the car itself. U could consider clear sticker wraps that kids use to wrap their textbook covers once upon in time. Its available in stationary shops and should be quite affordable. smile.gif
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post Oct 29 2019, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 29 2019, 09:48 AM)
guys. i'm been driving my car for 8 years. the seat belt have noticeable drying up and turning white, near the area where it always brushes the buckle.

any idea what can i do for maintenance?
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With my old Nissan Sunny previously, I used to stretch out the entire length of the seat belt, then spray APC on it and scrub it with a damp microfiber cloth, then followed by a dry microfiber cloth to speed up the drying. In absense of APC, u could try any diluted dishsoap.
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post Oct 29 2019, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(cempedaklife @ Oct 29 2019, 03:48 PM)
thanks. will this "lubricate" the belt?
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Well, it should clean the belt, and with that should give it some reasonable "lubrication".
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post Oct 30 2019, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Oct 30 2019, 01:08 PM)
Bro, are you KC ah? LOL. He also has/had a Nissan Sunny which he used as demo car for his detailing during the times I first got to know him. laugh.gif  brows.gif
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Lol, no wor, I'm not KC, not sure who he is. When I had my Nissan Sunny, I didnt know of this forum also, and was pretty much a home detailer back then.

For any forms of clay other than claybar, I would submerge them in a container of plain water and keep it away from light and heat.

For claybar, I would keep them in the container that they came in, and squirt abit of quick detailer in the container to keep them from sticking to the container walls, also kept away from light and heat.
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post Oct 31 2019, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(teikchuan @ Oct 31 2019, 01:48 PM)
Try compound it , if compound cant get off , i wont go deep
You may need to wetsand
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Erm, wetsanding glass? Is that advisable?
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post Nov 4 2019, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(pin0245 @ Nov 4 2019, 09:12 AM)
Hi guys, i'm asking as i'm not sure am i doing it right.

During the last weekend, i washed my car using Karcher K2 Pressure Washer, and it was my first time using it. The last wash previously was about 1 month ago due to the frequent rainy days over the past weeks.
My method of washing was:

Step 1: wet the car using K2 pressure washer
Step 2: Spray the car shampoo on all over the car (i'm using Turtle Wax Wash and Wax Shampoo)
Step 3: leave it for about 5 minutes
Step 4: Rinse the car with K2 pressure washer
Step 5: wash the car with mitt, and another half bucket of TW Wash and Wax shampoo
Step 6: Rinse the car again with K2 pressure washer

But after that, i find my whole car still have stubborn dirt somewhat likely those oily greasy dirt although i'm using power 2 on the nozzle gun which meant for car washing purpose.

First part of question:
I want to know is it advisable for me to use on power 3 which meant for floor and wall brick cleaning to see if it is able to clean away those stubborn dirt on my car?
Or there's something wrong i did on the method i use to wash the car and cause it to has the stubborn dirt hard to be remove?

Second part of question:
Those dirt are hard to remove even i'd use wash mitts with shampoo or microfiber towel to clean it, but some may removed if i use my finger, and some totally cannot be remove with finger.
To this extend, is polishing able to remove the dirt?

Sorry for a long questions, seeking opinion and experience sharing from fellow detailer and thanks in advance!
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It sounds like the stubborn dirt u are facing cant be removed with regular washing alone. U can either consider some form of chemical decontamination or stronger wash soap with ur pre-rinse prior to washing, or claying.
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post Nov 4 2019, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(pin0245 @ Nov 4 2019, 11:07 AM)
I see. alright will give the dish soap a try in the weekend, and would apply layers of TW Seal n Shine after that for protection.
Ya, scouring pad is a big no no, i'd used it to clean those water taps in my house toilet, and it does leave scratch marks on it if pressure applied.

By the way, will those car detailing shop able to wash away stubborn dirt from their usual car wash service?
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Dish soap from my experience doesnt react negatively with clearcoat, just that with its stronger oil removal properties (as it is good at cleaning oily pots and pans), it shouldnt be used too frequently especially in areas like rims where lubrication is necessary for smooth rotation of the wheels.

As I know, the common method of cheap wash shops to remove stubborn dirt stains is via using diesel. However, there are many arguments around the use of diesel, some for and some against. If u follow the notion of safety first, then definitely diesel based cleansing should be avoided.
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post Nov 6 2019, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Jack234 @ Nov 6 2019, 04:15 PM)
I'm looking at Avalon King ceramic coat, very cheap compare to other ceramic coating selling in Malaysia. But I have some questions in my mind.
Can I polish car that's coated with ceramic coating? Will it polish off the coating? If yes, then how do I remove key scratches or other scratches on coated car? Polish and top up the coat again?

Is it suitable to apply wax and sealant on ceramic coat?
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Hmm, your question seem to have alot of different angles, so I will try to break them down one by one.

Polish may not entirely strip coating, but it will definitely degrade your coating. Compounding (which in lay man is aggressive polishing), will strip your coating.

Key scratches are abit more unique in it own way because it is done on purpose and someone pushes a key onto your car and drags it across the panel. There is a strong possibility that such a scratch will penetrate through your coating, clearcoat and colour coat, sometimes all the way to your base primer or even reaching bare metal. For such an extremely deep scratch, there's actually nothing u can do except either touchup paint yourself or repaint the panel.

For other scratches, if they are on your coated car, then the scratch is probably on your coating and not on your car's clearcoat (unless the scratch is very deep and have penetrated your coating).

It will ultimately depend on what is your mindset about car care protection. A coating is applied to protect your car's clearcoat, and if u want to polish off the coating to remove the scratches then topup your coating again, it kinda feels like a waste of coating as chances are all the other properties of the coating (like water beading, ease to clean, etc) are all still there.

Whether to apply a topcoat on top of your ceramic coating, I believe there was a discussion on this thread some pages back. Maybe u can check it up and see.

Just a side note though, rightfully prior to applying your coating, the detailer (whether its u doing DIY or a shop) should do a thorough polish to the car and bring its shine to as perfect as possible first before applying coating. Failure to do so means u still have defects underneath your coating which will probably show after coating is applied. Something to bear in mind.
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post Nov 7 2019, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(Jack234 @ Nov 6 2019, 07:14 PM)
I see, I was thinking to buy Turtle Ice S&S from Amazon, but came across this Avalon King coating.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. Because I read some time back someone mention watermark on ceramic coating is hard to remove. My worry is need to use polish to clear these watermark, then coating gone also, waste money to reapply the coating again. Might as well I use traditional wax and sealant, polish or clay the watermark off, then reapply the wax, but cons is need to wax the car regularly. Pros and cons of both, sigh...
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I believe I would be one of those that complain about coating being a watermark magnet in the past.

Just putting things into perspective, car care isnt a perfect art. Most of us here that drive cars use our cars as daily drivers. There is only so much we can do to protect our cars from the elements.

Yes, coating is highly durable, very hydrophobic, quite easy to wash, but its a waterspot death sentence if u are not diligent enough in doing regular cleaning. Yes also, wax and sealant are weaker and wear off faster than coating, but they are sacrificial layers meant to be washed off eventually and take the waterspots and other grime with them, just that u have to apply them more regularly.

So ultimately, it depends on what type of detailer u are. Are u diligent in washing, or are u diligent in waxing/apply sealants?

Just a side note, the more recent pages of this thread have talked plenty of new generation spray sealants, which are much more durable than the old ones in the past. If u are in no rush to join the coating bandwagon, why not consider buying a spray sealant and try it out first? For all u know it could be the right stuff for ur detailing style. If it works, then u save buckets of money from doing coating, if it doesnt then u can still strip your car naked and apply coating.

Anyways, just my 2 sen.

QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Nov 6 2019, 09:42 PM)
I sprayed my wheel with iron remover and apc, now my disc rotor are covered in rust, how??
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Mmm, as far as I know the disc will have rust spots on the surface if u leave ur car long enough without driving. I dont think it is due to iron remover and APC. However, as bro teikchuan mentioned, drive it a short while and press brake a few times while and they will all disappear.
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post Nov 8 2019, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(#Victor @ Nov 8 2019, 12:15 PM)
how to proper clean this and which type of protection should apply on it? though of clean it using sanding grit, will it sacrifices the paint?

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I wouldnt suggest sanding it, leave that for last resort.

Start with some form of APC. If dirt persists, then move on to a degreaser (usually alkaline based).
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post Nov 10 2019, 01:40 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Nov 9 2019, 07:33 PM)
I'm using one pump from Daiso for Osren Nano Wash.. but need pump 6x times for foam lance LOL.
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I was already curious about the relevance of pouring car wash soap into a pump dispenser, as it takes alot of pumps to have the right amount when making wash bucket soap. Now that u mention foam lance, then it makes perfect sense, hehehe

Though, I could suggest a more cost effective pump would be using recycled body wash bottles. Just my 2 sen anyways
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post Nov 10 2019, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Nov 10 2019, 08:18 PM)
Yeah. Gonna test whether still works OK or not. If it doesn't.. then time to get new one. Hahaha
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11.11 Sale! Try get from there!
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post Nov 12 2019, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(OnGx2 @ Nov 11 2019, 08:41 PM)
Hi guys, is there any magic product that will make my car paint stay clean after rain? I usually use wet/damp towel to wipe my dirty car (someone told me it will scratch my car?) with no shampoo once a week/two week but immediately get dirty again after rain. I used rain repellent on my windshield and it works wonderful, I'm looking for similar simple diy product for my car paint with durability up to weeks or months. My car is 3 years old, white color, paint condition so so only, i don't need it to look awesome and i just need it to stay clean for longer period after wash. Thanks!
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Sorry to say, since u mentioned that your car is white, it will always be the most prone to look dirtier compared to other color cars that took the same weather beating. The advantage of white car is scratches, swirls and holograms are almost invisible to naked eye, but dirt is the most obvious. In contrast, black cars advantage is the hardest to notice if dirty, but scratches, swirls and holograms appear much easier under typical light.

If u usually use damp/wet towel to wipe your car, consider at minimum thoroughly rinsing the car with plain water one round first. At least that should remove the much bigger grime and reduce the chance of your towel grabbing the grime and dragging it around your car causing scratches. Also, as bro V429 mentioned, do consider using ONR as your "water lubricant" for ur towel cleaning method to further reduce chance of towel grabbing dirt and dragging.

Do consider to shop for a durable wax or sealant, and apply it regularly to be the sacrificial layer between your clearcoat and the weather elements.

QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Nov 11 2019, 11:35 PM)
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Looks fantastic! Keep up the good work!

Yes, factory paint is generally orange peely, factory doesnt go so far to flatten the orange peel out, so its entirely up to u if u wanna attack that. Just bear in mind that orange peel removal also means removing more clearcoat than typical compounding/polishing. Also, attacking orange peel as I know has 1 common method which is wetsanding, and 1 less common method which is using jeans pad for compounding. U should consider learning either one of these techniques before attempting orange peel removal.

Personally I wouldnt bother. In the years down the line u may wanna compound and polish your car, and that will somewhat refine the clearcoat abit to reduce the orange peel. Its not perfect, but just looks better. Just my 2 sen.
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post Nov 12 2019, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(slk @ Nov 12 2019, 07:34 AM)
0. Do not rush! take your own sweet time and go easy.
1. Split your paint correction + coating job into sections.
2. Do 1 or 2 sections per day. eg Driver's side day 1, Passenger's side day 2, Front engine end + bootlid Day 3, Roof Day 4.
3. Inspect your paint correction with IPA wipe/Dupont Prepsol/ Gyeon Prep/ Carpro Eraser to ensure you are coating a 95% defect free finish.
4. Wear nitrile gloves.
5. Buff with 2 MFs to ensure you have fully buff off your coating. Soak them after use immediately. You can use them for tyres/engine bay/dirty work.
6. Inspect highspot with move-able flat & soft lighting ( cheapest way will be DIY LED fluorescent light).
7. WAIT 24 hours to let the coating cure. If possible "sun bake" it. Resist the urge to spray water to check the hydrophobic action  tongue.gif

good luck!
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I'm just wondering, would soaking the used MF cloths in soapy water help? I know cloths that has been used for coating buff-off mostly not safe for car paint use after that, just wondering if there are any way to revive them back to normal use.
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post Nov 14 2019, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(woodentiger86 @ Nov 13 2019, 03:10 PM)
Just to share an update of the claymitt I have recently bought on Shopee.

Product Link here: https://shopee.com.my/product/90500314/2882288578

Managed to test it out last weekend on a couple of surfaces - my initial impressions...

Form factor suits me just fine - I don't have very big hands nor long fingers so I didn't have any issues wearing it.

Used Osren's Bubble Wax as clay lubricant, I still felt the mitt was quite 'grabby' compared to clay towel. Mitts almost came out from my hands few times whilst using - probably cos I wasn't gripping it hard enough or hands too small issue laugh.gif

Anyhow, end results - surfaces felt 'smooth' to the touch... I still need to do a comparison with clay towel again [50-50] to see which one more effective.

If based on my first try - I would rather spend the RM8x on the clay cloth/towel vs the China made RM15 mitt...  unsure.gif
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My relative once told me, some things that are made in China, u should pay for the cheapest u can find, because chances are all come from same single factory and its just a matter of markups.

That being said, sometimes if u trust that your supplier give u warranty and also pre-filter out poor quality batches, then no harm paying abit more for the same.

Just sharing 2 sides of the coin.

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